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Post by borisman on May 13, 2017 8:57:20 GMT -5
For its what worth, Badler chatting now on baseballamerica. I sent a question regarding the Luis Flores to the Red Sox reports. Nothing answered yet. If anyone else wants to apply pressure, please do. Maybe you should've asked a question about "Daniel" Flores (or Antoni Flores). Is Luis Flores another prospect no one knows about?
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Post by ramireja on May 13, 2017 11:54:45 GMT -5
For its what worth, Badler chatting now on baseballamerica. I sent a question regarding the Luis Flores to the Red Sox reports. Nothing answered yet. If anyone else wants to apply pressure, please do. Maybe you should've asked a question about "Daniel" Flores (or Antoni Flores). Is Luis Flores another prospect no one knows about? Crickets, indeed. No response. But yeah, I probably should have asked a question about Daniel Flores. The good news is that if there is a Luis Flores we should know about, then we've got that covered too!
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 15, 2017 8:26:16 GMT -5
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Post by Costigan on May 15, 2017 10:04:20 GMT -5
Badler mentioned that Diaz will likely move off of SS and play 3B.
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Post by borisman on May 15, 2017 13:14:53 GMT -5
3 of the top 20 is pretty damn good, considering our bonus pool $. This is the first I've heard about the Sox "will probably be trading up for more $$". That's great news as well, depending on what/how much they're giving up.
Edit: is it possible the Sox have already worked out some deal(s) for extra cash? They may need it to sign the prospects they are "expected" to sign come July.
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Post by huskies15 on May 15, 2017 14:59:37 GMT -5
What type of player/prospect is usually traded for bonus pool money? Im curious what type of value is included in those deals
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Post by borisman on May 15, 2017 15:12:49 GMT -5
What type of player/prospect is usually traded for bonus pool money? Im curious what type of value is included in those deals These type of transactions are kind of new to all of us. We shall see is my guess.
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 15, 2017 15:23:54 GMT -5
Not sure how it's going to shake out with the new CBA, but it seems like under the old rules the Red Sox would be able to get hundreds of thousands of dollars for some of their outer fringe upcoming Rule 5 guys. 2 years ago Aaron Kurcz got dealt for $167K.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 15, 2017 15:26:23 GMT -5
What type of player/prospect is usually traded for bonus pool money? Im curious what type of value is included in those deals In the previous CBA, org guys and super-duper long-shots. However, given that the IFA rules got completely blown up and redone in this CBA, the precedent is uselss. Previously, teams pretty much universally adopted the strategy of blowing through the IFA cap every three years and dealing with the penalties the other two. Under that regime, it was near-pointless to trade for bonus pool money. Now, the cap is a hard cap that all teams must abide by, which, in theory, makes bonus money far more valuable.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 15, 2017 15:27:48 GMT -5
Not sure how it's going to shake out with the new CBA, but it seems like under the old rules the Red Sox would be able to get hundreds of thousands of dollars for some of their outer fringe upcoming Rule 5 guys. 2 years ago Aaron Kurcz got dealt for $167K. I'm not sure it ever shook out enough for there to be a true value on money though - the Red Sox only got Ramses Rosario for $327,700. I recall a discussion here last year or the year before that trades for IFA cap money had returned disparate amounts of talent such that it was nearly impossible to guess what any slot was worth. But as I said above, I don't think previous trades are going to mean much given the stark difference in the value of the IFA cap money.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 15, 2017 18:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 22, 2017 10:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on May 22, 2017 10:48:24 GMT -5
For context??
Baltimore recently traded two international slots (totaling ~756K) to the White Sox for Alex Katz who didn't appear on any of the big prospect lists (BA, BP, Sickels, Law, FG or MLB).
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Post by sarasoxer on May 23, 2017 7:53:37 GMT -5
Kinda makes you wander....cough, cough....how they come up with these names. They are a lot more interesting than Smith and Jones.
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Post by sarcasmo on May 23, 2017 15:00:54 GMT -5
More up to date video on Danny Diaz (in Red Sox gear) That's not Xander?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2017 10:07:13 GMT -5
Newest from Badler's instagram: He's heard from many scouts that Daniel Flores is the best def catcher they've have ever seen at 16yo. Prefaces by making clear these aren't scouts who sensationalize like this a lot. Says he'd expect Flores to immediately be a top 10 prospect in this system (which isn't saying a ton).
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2017 10:44:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure how they could possibly afford both Diaz and Flores with the hard cap. Will be interesting to see how this works.
I hate getting excited about 16 year olds, but wow, these kids look/sound amazing.
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Post by borisman on May 25, 2017 10:52:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure how they could possibly afford both Diaz and Flores with the hard cap. Will be interesting to see how this works.I hate getting excited about 16 year olds, but wow, these kids look/sound amazing. Because Badler said this in the past: Given Boston’s expected international activity, the Red Sox will probably be trading up for more international bonus pool money once they’re allowed to make a trade beginning on July 2.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2017 11:09:21 GMT -5
Also, if there's a hard cap across the board, that's going to have the effect of bringing salaries down, theoretically. Nobody's going to sign a guy for $4M if that's most of their cap. I bet we don't see anyone sign for over $3M, and most will be at $2M and under. This was, much as MLB might want to say otherwise, the whole point of the caps that were implemented.
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Post by ramireja on May 25, 2017 11:15:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure how they could possibly afford both Diaz and Flores with the hard cap. Will be interesting to see how this works. I hate getting excited about 16 year olds, but wow, these kids look/sound amazing. Its also important to see if there is an overall adjustment to bonus $ given to the top guys. With teams maxing out between 4.75 and 5.75 mill, my guess is that the days of 3-4 mill bonuses for the top guys are over. Now that said, we can trade up to 75% of our original pool allocation so if we're extremely aggressive on obtaining that money, we could have a cap over 8 million which then makes a bonus of 3 mill for one player more feasible. If we are trading for some additional spending money (and you have to assume we are), I hope we're trading a fungible piece of farm system.....ideally an upper level reliever redundant with other arms and taking up current 40-man roster space. Sorry Noe Ramirez but I'm looking at you. Edit: Saw Hatfield's post after posting this. Mine is pretty redundant.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 25, 2017 11:45:36 GMT -5
I'd be interested to see if R5 eligible guys are among those moved for IFA cap space.
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Post by ramireja on May 25, 2017 12:13:07 GMT -5
I'd be interested to see if R5 eligible guys are among those moved for IFA cap space. Yeah, I mean between the current 40-man roster and the R5 eligible guys, there are a ton of arms projecting (or in some cases, with upside) as middle relief. That list includes: Current 40-man: - Noe Ramirez - Kyle Martin - Luis Ysla - Ben Taylor Rule 5 eligible: - Jalen Beeks - Jamie Callahan - Ty Buttrey - Austin Maddox - Jake Cosart - Chandler Shepherd - Williams Jerez - Teddy Stankiewicz - Trey Ball - Darwinzon Hernandez We just can't possibly keep all of these guys in the 40-man next season, and yet, these are the kind of names that often get picked in the Rule 5 draft and lost for nothing. I'd be pretty bummed to see some of these guys swapped for international spending money (namely Beeks, Callahan, Buttrey, Taylor, & Shepherd), others I could live with (Martin, Maddox), and others I think make the most sense (Ramirez, Ysla, Jerez, Cosart, Ball). We'll see.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2017 12:42:33 GMT -5
You don't want to gut the system of arms that you might need, but at the same time trading a few of those guys to get another top international guy is the best thing for our system. That's like getting another first round pick. I will be very impressed if that's what DD does.
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Post by jimed14 on May 25, 2017 16:17:53 GMT -5
You don't want to gut the system of arms that you might need, but at the same time trading a few of those guys to get another top international guy is the best thing for our system. That's like getting another first round pick. I will be very impressed if that's what DD does. It's not gutting. It's getting something for them before they're all taken from us in the Rule 5.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 25, 2017 16:58:57 GMT -5
You don't want to gut the system of arms that you might need, but at the same time trading a few of those guys to get another top international guy is the best thing for our system. That's like getting another first round pick. I will be very impressed if that's what DD does. It's not gutting. It's getting something for them before they're all taken from us in the Rule 5. If you lose or trade all those guys you have gutted the system of a good amount of pitching depth. That's why it's going to be hard to decide which ones to trade, which ones to protect and which ones to try and get through the rule 5 draft or guys likely to be returned to you.
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