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2017 Red Sox Major League Spring Training Thread
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 9, 2017 16:55:43 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Mar 10, 2017 0:06:42 GMT -5
Wow, that was quick. He's really made incredibly quick progress.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 10, 2017 11:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 11, 2017 1:00:37 GMT -5
A shortened version of pitching injury updates from MLBTradeRumors: Red Sox manager John Farrell gave updates on a variety of players to reporters, including www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2017/03/tyler_thornburgs_shoulder_needs_strengthening_roenis_elias#.WMM3NQrjvfo.twitter. That includes lefty Roenis Elias, who has been diagnosed with an intercostal strain that will sideline him for at least a few weeks. A minor thumb issue for righty Rick Porcello doesn’t appear to be posing many problems. And while it’s not strictly an injury matter, it’s worth noting Farrell’s comments on righty Tyler Thornburg, who still needs to build up shoulder strength. That’s common for hurlers that are new to the organization, says Farrell, who cites a “period of adaptation” as pitchers “go through our shoulder maintenance program.” Meanwhile, Red Sox lefty David Price isn’t yet ready to throw, but is able to go through a pitching motion, Drellich adds on Twitter. It’s promising, at least, that there’s forward momentum as he works through a flexor strain.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 11, 2017 2:24:59 GMT -5
Too bad on Elias. He was the first guy that could of opened camp on the roster if Pomeranz and Wright aren't ready after spring training. David Price will start the season on the 10 day DL for sure.
Now it's looking like Kyle Kendrick. Brian Johnson is the other option but I'm sure the Sox want to give him more time in AAA after his anxiety issues last year. Owens isn't even a option with the way he's walking everyone right now. Maybe Velazquez could open out of camp if need be after Kendrick?
Luckily there will be room for both on the 40 man roster if need be with Carson Smith opening on the 60 day DL and Brentz being DFA'D after camp.
Edit- Maybe another option opens up from another team when someone gets DFA'D once the season starts.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 11, 2017 2:45:38 GMT -5
Also looking like Thornburg could open up the season on the 10 day DL too.
Who would the last spot in the bullpen go to if that's the case?
Robbie Scott with 3 lefties in the bullpen?
Or go with Noe Ramirez?
The more I think about it, if Thornburg doesn't need that much time, the Sox could retroactive him on the DL on any set date and go with Noe Ramirez out of camp for a few days. Either way, it hasn't been a good camp when it's come to injuries from the pitching side of things so far.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 11, 2017 13:08:35 GMT -5
Also looking like Thornburg could open up the season on the 10 day DL too. Who would the last spot in the bullpen go to if that's the case? Robbie Scott with 3 lefties in the bullpen? Or go with Noe Ramirez? The more I think about it, if Thornburg doesn't need that much time, the Sox could retroactive him on the DL on any set date and go with Noe Ramirez out of camp for a few days. Either way, it hasn't been a good camp when it's come to injuries from the pitching side of things so far. Depends on how you look at it. There are injuries and setbacks every year. This year, they avoided Price needing UCL surgery, Thornburg's poor performance apparently has a very specific (and correctable) conditioning cause (rather than injury), and both Pomeranz and Wright (the former of which was a major question mark) are apparently progressing quite well. It's a long season, I'm not worried about a few guys being a little slow to hit their stride. I'm just glad there's no Rodriguez patellar dislocation story.
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Post by p23w on Mar 11, 2017 15:53:53 GMT -5
Given the performances of both Owens and Johnson this Spring, the narrative of "starter depth" appears to be mythological. Yes, it is a long season, but the idea of getting 900 quality innings from the starters on this roster appears less and less likely. Conversely a burned out bullpen appears more and more likely by October. Something about this team does not feel right to me. I hope this glass is half empty sensation changes, damnit.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 11, 2017 21:45:04 GMT -5
Given the performances of both Owens and Johnson this Spring, the narrative of "starter depth" appears to be mythological. Yes, it is a long season, but the idea of getting 900 quality innings from the starters on this roster appears less and less likely. Conversely a burned out bullpen appears more and more likely by October. Something about this team does not feel right to me. I hope this glass is half empty sensation changes, damnit. Yea but a guy like Kendrick is looking good
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Post by telson13 on Mar 11, 2017 22:08:59 GMT -5
Given the performances of both Owens and Johnson this Spring, the narrative of "starter depth" appears to be mythological. Yes, it is a long season, but the idea of getting 900 quality innings from the starters on this roster appears less and less likely. Conversely a burned out bullpen appears more and more likely by October. Something about this team does not feel right to me. I hope this glass is half empty sensation changes, damnit. It's pretty rare that a team's five starters avaerage 180 innings each. I wouldn't worry about it just yet. It's spring training; history says that their top-3 will finish with around 550-600 innings, and their 4-5-6 are each capable of 160-190+. So there's your 900 innings. Owens-Johnson-Kendrick shouldn't be counted on too much, and it's conceivable that one of the three can put together a solid run. This is a far better, deeper rotation than 2013 for example.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 11, 2017 22:14:23 GMT -5
I think Owens will be pretty worthless (yeah, going out on a limb there) and I think Johnson won't be what others hoped he would be.
I have a weird feeling that if the Sox have to go to a 7th starter and they will, that Kendrick will actually be alright. Maybe Bannister is having a positive effect on him already? Velazquez should be interesting, too.
I think their starting depth is as good as any other team's. I mean they have six viable starters, each capable of pitching in the top half of a rotation. Most teams are lucky if they have three starters that fit that description. This should be the strength of the team.
This team will need Thornburg to get straightened out, Kimbrel to throw strikes and for Kelly to emerge. And they need to get offense out of the bottom four spots of the lineup. Frankly I'm more worried about their offense (like will Pedroia and Hanley stay healthy, what will they get out of Pablo, how long will they stick with Leon? What if Moreland doesn't hit enough can Travis step in?) rather than if they'll get enough quality starting pitching relative to the rest of the league.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 12, 2017 12:01:49 GMT -5
It is hard not to get excited when Sale pitches like he did yesterday. I am really hoping for a top 5 pitching staff this year. It seems like forever since the we have had that. I know Fenway is going to hurt pitchers overall, but I see no reason we can't have that, either through old school or advanced metrics. Keeping fingers crossed for good health.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Mar 12, 2017 12:04:07 GMT -5
Watched most of the major league pitchers working out on field 1 this morning. They were practicing bunting. Thornburg. Wright, Pomeranz were all participating, so at least what ever ailments they have are not so serious that they could not participate.
A quick story about Sale. When the players come off the field they go past a fence where the fans are right next to them. The professional autograph seekers were all lined up trying to get Sale to sign their cards which they would immediately put back in the books they carry with them and then go offer them for sale on e-bay or whatever. Sale saw a little kid in the group and went to him to sign. Sale must not have liked what the kid had offered him to sign because he went back to the field, looked in a bucket of balls, found one he liked and brought it back to the kid and signed it for him. Made the kids day. When the professional autograph seekers then descended he said one word as he jogged away - ninios. My Spanish is not too good (and neither is my Spanish spelling) but I am pretty sure that means children. I thought it was cool that he would sign for the kid, but not the professionals. But then I am not a big fan of the people who are only there to try an profit off of the players and not for the love of the game. just my opinion.
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Post by michael on Mar 12, 2017 13:18:07 GMT -5
The Spanish word pronounced Neenyos means little ones or children. I saw Pedro one day back at the old Edison Fields move about 50-60 (60'6"?) back from The fence and allow only kids come thru to him He signed until every kid had been served. Additionally a person from behind the fence asked if she could get an autograph for a grandson Pedro said "No, kids only."
Thanks for the little personal stories that really make a great part of the ST experience.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Mar 13, 2017 13:33:32 GMT -5
Watched an intersquad game today on the minor league field. There were actually two or three games going but the one I was interested in had Sandy Leon hitting second (each inning that I watched) and Porcello was pitching for the other team. While I watched ( I didn't stay for the whole thing- wife's birthday and our anniversary today), Leon was 0-2 while hitting into a DP. I saw the season pass before my eyes when one of the minor leaguers hit a ball hard back at Porcello. He managed to knock it down and was not hurt, but for a split second I thought it was going to get him. I assume they pitched Porecllo in the minor league game to avoid having Toronto get a good look at him. Good to hear that Wright got to pitch a couple of innings in the big league game.
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Post by thursty on Mar 13, 2017 18:34:50 GMT -5
Can't say why exactly, but the more often and louder that Price proclaims his elbow is terrific, the worrieder I become.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 13, 2017 19:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Mar 13, 2017 22:34:00 GMT -5
I don't get the surprise regarding Vasquez's offense. And the lack of patience with his defense after TJ surgury. He probably will never be the offensive threat many projected him to be or the defensive demiGod expected either. He still has solid value though and is cheap.
I have always thought Swihart had more potential though. The guy just looks like an athlete when he's out there with an athletic body type, speed and quickness. My impressions of him personally are good as he seems to be a team player who works hard to improve and stay in shape. I'd rather roll the dice with him continuing to improve and be of value on the roster as the catcher back up and utility guy with Vasquez in AAA if that is still an option ( I imagine that boat has floated by now though ). We should probably trade Vasquez if offered significant value. I'd rather not park Swihart in AAA.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2017 7:43:30 GMT -5
Devers. Owens, Johnson, Lake, Procyshen, Workman sent a packin'. It now appears Kendrick has won the 7th starter role.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2017 8:02:21 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 1h1 hour ago
Drew Pomeranz makes his first start of the spring at JetBlue Park today. Pedroia, Sandoval, Betts, Ramirez, Bradley all in today's lineup.
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp
The addition of Wright and Pomeranz makes the Red Sox rotation out of the gate clear: Porcello, Sale, Rodriguez, Wright, Pomeranz. . . . Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 4m4 minutes ago
David Price has progressed to playing light catch on flat ground from 60 feet.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2017 9:16:41 GMT -5
I'm an optimist, this could be big:
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 7m7 minutes ago
Carl Willis and Brian Bannister stayed back from Dunedin on Monday to work with Henry Owens in the bullpen on simplifying his delivery. . . . Alex Speier @alexspeier 29m29 minutes ago
Farrell said Devers showed impressive hands, both as a hitter and defender. He was told to focus on body composition so he can stay at 3B. . . . Maureen Mullen @maureenamullen 30m30 minutes ago
Farrell: Price likely to start season on DL, "hard to see him ready to go at the start of the season"
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 14, 2017 10:57:57 GMT -5
I'm an optimist, this could be big: Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 7m7 minutes ago Carl Willis and Brian Bannister stayed back from Dunedin on Monday to work with Henry Owens in the bullpen on simplifying his delivery. Simplifying is a tricky word here, right? If it means they've (and by they I mean either the coaching staff in general or Bannister specifically) found something specific and need to tweak it to make an adjustment, that's good news. If his control is a mess because his delivery is a mess and they're going to Bannister to help rebuild it then it is less good news.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 14, 2017 11:47:22 GMT -5
Just a reminder - there's a separate minor league camp thread (just moved a Groome post there). I know there's often gray area on what should go where, but just use your best judgement.
Thanks!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 14, 2017 19:41:24 GMT -5
I'm an optimist, this could be big: Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 7m7 minutes ago Carl Willis and Brian Bannister stayed back from Dunedin on Monday to work with Henry Owens in the bullpen on simplifying his delivery. Simplifying is a tricky word here, right? If it means they've (and by they I mean either the coaching staff in general or Bannister specifically) found something specific and need to tweak it to make an adjustment, that's good news. If his control is a mess because his delivery is a mess and they're going to Bannister to help rebuild it then it is less good news. I realize this is a minor league topic but was started here and it's not really a spring training issue so... To me, what Owens had wasn't working and to my untrained mechanics eye, seemed too complex for a tall guy. I'm guessing the changes fall into the major changes category but that's pure speculation based on a few Farrell quotes that sound like Henry is committed to whatever it takes. But again that's pure speculation on my part. If the changes are major, it's obviously not good for 2017 but would seem that they are more interested in the long run here. To the plus side, Owens is still young and has an option for next year too. If the changes are major it's more than just the simple learning to repeat a new delivery because it will also require strengthening different muscle groups. If the changes are significant, I'd also expect him to be pretty bad for a while.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 15, 2017 11:08:46 GMT -5
Farrell just announced that Rick Porcello will the opening day starter. Still a few long weeks before that day comes.
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