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2017 Red Sox Major League Spring Training Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 21, 2017 1:49:55 GMT -5
The Sox should be in the market for relievers and starters with Thornburg hitting the DL. The Sox will start out with Thornburg, Price, and Pomeranz on the 10 day DL. That's a lot of depth to make up to open the year with.
I would be uncomfortable going past a three game stretch with Noe Ramirez on the roster to be honest.
The Sox should and will be all over the waiver wire in the pitching department by the end of spring training with teams and their 40 man roster crunches.
Assuming the team opens with 4 starters as reported, that leaves 8 spots open in the bullpen. Kimbrel, Kelly, Ross Jr., Barnes, Abad, Hembree makeup for 6.
My guess is one player or two players outside the organization makeup the other 2 spots. If I'm the Sox, I'm stashing Kyle Kendricks in AAA for as long as possible and that's why I'm trying to acquire more depth so they don't need to go to Kendricks so soon in the year and risk losing him by the end of April.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 21, 2017 1:53:46 GMT -5
Where was it said that Pomeranz would be on the DL ? I saw tweets today that there was no tightness in his bullpen session. Sounds like old fashioned cramps to me. Although Thornburg is iffy the tweets I saw also didn't sound like he'd be on the DL either, that he's progressing on the strengthening program.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 21, 2017 2:05:34 GMT -5
Where was it said that Pomeranz would be on the DL ? I saw tweets today that there was no tightness in his bullpen session. Sounds like old fashioned cramps to me. Although Thornburg is iffy the tweets I saw also didn't sound like he'd be on the DL either, that he's progressing on the strengthening program. m.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/213240376/red-sox-could-break-camp-4-startersMy guess is that Pomeranz will start the season on the 18th (the second time the Sox need a 5th starter to start the season). The Sox still need to give innings to both Pomeranz and Thornburg to build up strength for the regular season. The good news on Thornburg is that the Sox could retroactive him on the DL from a certain date and he may only miss a series or two (3-6 games). The Sox wouldn't need to pitch Thornburg in back to back days in April anyways and they could build him up slowly in the big league club throughout April. Still, the Sox need to be all over waivers for pitching come the end of spring training. Edit-If the Sox don't find a starter come April 12th (the first time they need a fifth starter), I'd just call up Brian Johnson for a game and then option him down after a start.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 21, 2017 2:40:38 GMT -5
m.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/213240606/pomeranz-says-hes-fine-wont-miss-any-timeOf course, here's an article from the same website shooting down this idea and says he could be ready for the 8th. I don't know how they even got to this date. Friday or Saturday should be Pomeranz' next start. The Wednesday or Thursday after would be his final spring training start on the 30 or 31. That would give would him about 6-7 days until the Pawsox season starts on April 6th which I'm guessing he starts. That would mark his 3rd start until April 12th. So theoretically if Pomeranz builds up enough innings and everything goes fine health wise, I guess he could be ready for the April 12th start. If he's not ready by the 12th, I'm sure he would make another start on the 12th or 13th (for Pawtucket) and be ready for the April 18th start. It's all speculative on how Pomeranz feels and how much he actually pitches in these games of course. Okay I'm done taking up too much space in the thread. Just good old speculation on my part.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 21, 2017 11:46:51 GMT -5
JBJ not looking to good at the plate. Can this team afford to carry a line up with 2 (JBJ & Vazquez) and possibly a total of 4 (Panda & Moreland) hitting .250 or less? I know Panda & Moreland have looked good but I am not a believer. The Red Sox can easily afford to carry a guy who had a wRC+ of 118 and 121 the last two seasons. JBJ was an all-star and had 4.8 fWAR last year. How could they possibly improve on that at this point? Why are you so negative that you take JBJ's spring training stats as evidence that he's going to be a really bad hitter this season but not Sandoval's? Must be fun to always complain about everything.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 21, 2017 11:54:14 GMT -5
Well, just about anyone can trade JBJ and two other players on MLB the Show for Mike Trout. Not much to complain about when you always roll out Trout in CF in your video game and hope it happens in real life.
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Post by ryan24 on Mar 21, 2017 19:13:08 GMT -5
The Sox should be in the market for relievers and starters with Thornburg hitting the DL. The Sox will start out with Thornburg, Price, and Pomeranz on the 10 day DL. That's a lot of depth to make up to open the year with. I would be uncomfortable going past a three game stretch with Noe Ramirez on the roster to be honest. The Sox should and will be all over the waiver wire in the pitching department by the end of spring training with teams and their 40 man roster crunches. Assuming the team opens with 4 starters as reported, that leaves 8 spots open in the bullpen. Kimbrel, Kelly, Ross Jr., Barnes, Abad, Hembree makeup for 6. My guess is one player or two players outside the organization makeup the other 2 spots. If I'm the Sox, I'm stashing Kyle Kendricks in AAA for as long as possible and that's why I'm trying to acquire more depth so they don't need to go to Kendricks so soon in the year and risk losing him by the end of April. They will fill from within for the month of april. Adding people will mean playing around with the 40 man roster and such. By the end of april they will have price back. Thomburg and drew they have not decided yet if they are even out yet?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 21, 2017 20:06:58 GMT -5
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Post by ryan24 on Mar 22, 2017 6:46:56 GMT -5
Two weeks to go, who makes the club? Marco vs jeff? What do they do with kyle, especially with the price situation? The 1st month of the season who is the 3rd starter? Do they put thonburg on the dl to start the season? If so, who takes his spot? Scott and abad keep 1 and trade one? Bryce what do you do with him?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 22, 2017 11:32:07 GMT -5
The Sox should be in the market for relievers and starters with Thornburg hitting the DL. The Sox will start out with Thornburg, Price, and Pomeranz on the 10 day DL. That's a lot of depth to make up to open the year with. I would be uncomfortable going past a three game stretch with Noe Ramirez on the roster to be honest. The Sox should and will be all over the waiver wire in the pitching department by the end of spring training with teams and their 40 man roster crunches. Assuming the team opens with 4 starters as reported, that leaves 8 spots open in the bullpen. Kimbrel, Kelly, Ross Jr., Barnes, Abad, Hembree makeup for 6. My guess is one player or two players outside the organization makeup the other 2 spots. If I'm the Sox, I'm stashing Kyle Kendricks in AAA for as long as possible and that's why I'm trying to acquire more depth so they don't need to go to Kendricks so soon in the year and risk losing him by the end of April. They will fill from within for the month of april. Adding people will mean playing around with the 40 man roster and such. By the end of april they will have price back. Thomburg and drew they have not decided yet if they are even out yet? The Sox most likely will make a trade or a signing or two before the regular season starts. The Sox will have 2 40 man roster spots opening up by the end of camp with Carson Smith going to the 60 day DL and Brentz getting DFA'D.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 22, 2017 19:57:58 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 23, 2017 18:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by galamann on Mar 24, 2017 12:13:56 GMT -5
Thornburg sat in low 90s but hit 94. Didn't get the best view of his off speed but threw I think a curve and changeup
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 25, 2017 9:01:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry about JBJ. Remember how Papi used to struggle a lot in March/April? Happens to the best of them.
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Post by dmaineah on Mar 25, 2017 13:27:20 GMT -5
JBJ not looking to good at the plate. Can this team afford to carry a line up with 2 (JBJ & Vazquez) and possibly a total of 4 (Panda & Moreland) hitting .250 or less? I know Panda & Moreland have looked good but I am not a believer. The Red Sox can easily afford to carry a guy who had a wRC+ of 118 and 121 the last two seasons. JBJ was an all-star and had 4.8 fWAR last year. How could they possibly improve on that at this point? Why are you so negative that you take JBJ's spring training stats as evidence that he's going to be a really bad hitter this season but not Sandoval's? Must be fun to always complain about everything.
I don't think I'm negative or complaining.
I pointed out facts; JBJ not looking to good at the plate.
Asked a question; Can this team afford to carry a line up with 2 (JBJ & Vazquez) and possibly a total of 4 (Panda & Moreland) hitting .250 or less?
And stated a position; I know Panda & Moreland have looked good but I am not a believer.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 25, 2017 16:51:49 GMT -5
You've got to be careful about falling into a trap. You don't believe in Bradley and Vazquez because they look mediocre, yet you don't believe in Moreland and Sandoval though they look good. That brings up the obvious question of what you do believe in, or whether you should get worked up about it in spring training.
Bradley has a track record now and it isn't about his average given the defense, slugging, and OBP. Vazquez is good enough defensively that the hitting is secondary, and the team doesn't need Sandoval or Moreland to be super-stars. Adequate will be good enough.
It's too early for all the angst.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 25, 2017 17:11:37 GMT -5
The Red Sox can easily afford to carry a guy who had a wRC+ of 118 and 121 the last two seasons. JBJ was an all-star and had 4.8 fWAR last year. How could they possibly improve on that at this point? Why are you so negative that you take JBJ's spring training stats as evidence that he's going to be a really bad hitter this season but not Sandoval's? Must be fun to always complain about everything.
I don't think I'm negative or complaining.
I pointed out facts; JBJ not looking to good at the plate.
Asked a question; Can this team afford to carry a line up with 2 (JBJ & Vazquez) and possibly a total of 4 (Panda & Moreland) hitting .250 or less?
And stated a position; I know Panda & Moreland have looked good but I am not a believer.
Can the team afford to have no one on the team hit and all the pitchers be terrible? It could happen. This is so dumb. The fact is that 3 weeks of spring training stats for a player are worth a weight of 0.0 compared to his past full seasons. And who cares about batting average? This isn't 1980. Also, for your other extremely negative concerns, Pomeranz, Thornburg, Carson Smith and Wright have had really encouraging things said about them since you complained about how DD only trades for injured pitchers.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 26, 2017 13:57:59 GMT -5
I'm really skeptical on Joe Kelly as a setup man. He's better suited for the bullpen but I'm not sure if he can either stay out for the middle of the plate enough or throw enough strikes as a setup man.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 26, 2017 14:59:13 GMT -5
Also with all the shoulder problems that Hanley is having, I'd feel like the Sox would be best served by having a guy like Selsky over the roster rather than Chris Young. The lack of versatility is going to kill the Sox from Young's side of things and Moreland might have to see at bats versus LHP because of it.
Plus, if the Sox drop Young after spring training, they only owe him the first 30 days of his pro rated contract, I think. Or maybe they'd be on the hook for the full contract. I'm not sure how that rule works. If they could save money by dropping Young, they could save more money against the threshold this year and maybe promote Rusney if they need to.
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 26, 2017 15:12:56 GMT -5
Also with all the shoulder problems that Hanley is having, I'd feel like the Sox would be best served by having a guy like Selsky over the roster rather than Chris Young. The lack of versatility is going to kill the Sox from Young's side of things and Moreland might have to see at bats versus LHP because of it. Plus, if the Sox drop Young after spring training, they only owe him the first 30 days of his pro rated contract, I think. Or maybe they'd be on the hook for the full contract. I'm not sure how that rule works. If they could save money by dropping Young, they could save more money against the threshold this year and maybe promote Rusney if they need to. Did you really think this through?
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Post by doctorduck21 on Mar 26, 2017 15:43:52 GMT -5
Also with all the shoulder problems that Hanley is having, I'd feel like the Sox would be best served by having a guy like Selsky over the roster rather than Chris Young. The lack of versatility is going to kill the Sox from Young's side of things and Moreland might have to see at bats versus LHP because of it. Plus, if the Sox drop Young after spring training, they only owe him the first 30 days of his pro rated contract, I think. Or maybe they'd be on the hook for the full contract. I'm not sure how that rule works. If they could save money by dropping Young, they could save more money against the threshold this year and maybe promote Rusney if they need to. Young is a far superior hitter to Selsky and I'm a fan of Selsky. Granted I'm surprised they didn't have Young try out at 1st but he's not worth losing for a couple weeks of depth. Rutledge and Holt can help cover 1st if they really need to
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 26, 2017 20:16:35 GMT -5
Also with all the shoulder problems that Hanley is having, I'd feel like the Sox would be best served by having a guy like Selsky over the roster rather than Chris Young. The lack of versatility is going to kill the Sox from Young's side of things and Moreland might have to see at bats versus LHP because of it. Plus, if the Sox drop Young after spring training, they only owe him the first 30 days of his pro rated contract, I think. Or maybe they'd be on the hook for the full contract. I'm not sure how that rule works. If they could save money by dropping Young, they could save more money against the threshold this year and maybe promote Rusney if they need to. Just to correct the one factual thing here, you're wrong about Young's contract. Whole thing is guaranteed. As for the rest, I'll just leave that to everyone else.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 26, 2017 20:23:43 GMT -5
Also with all the shoulder problems that Hanley is having, I'd feel like the Sox would be best served by having a guy like Selsky over the roster rather than Chris Young. The lack of versatility is going to kill the Sox from Young's side of things and Moreland might have to see at bats versus LHP because of it. Plus, if the Sox drop Young after spring training, they only owe him the first 30 days of his pro rated contract, I think. Or maybe they'd be on the hook for the full contract. I'm not sure how that rule works. If they could save money by dropping Young, they could save more money against the threshold this year and maybe promote Rusney if they need to. No they really wouldn't. If somebody in the OF gets hurt and the Red Sox need somebody to play for an extended amount of time I'd much prefer Young over Selsky and I, too, like Selsky. Young is a proven commodity who kills lefties and he actually hung in against righties last season, and even though he wouldn't exactly be an asset in CF, I'd trust him there over Selsky and I'd certainly prefer him in the OF corner over Selsky. Selsky is a nice 25th man on the roster, but he shouldn't be their primary backup outfielder, and nor should Brock Holt for that matter.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 26, 2017 20:27:42 GMT -5
Also with all the shoulder problems that Hanley is having, I'd feel like the Sox would be best served by having a guy like Selsky over the roster rather than Chris Young. The lack of versatility is going to kill the Sox from Young's side of things and Moreland might have to see at bats versus LHP because of it. Plus, if the Sox drop Young after spring training, they only owe him the first 30 days of his pro rated contract, I think. Or maybe they'd be on the hook for the full contract. I'm not sure how that rule works. If they could save money by dropping Young, they could save more money against the threshold this year and maybe promote Rusney if they need to. Just to correct the one factual thing here, you're wrong about Young's contract. Whole thing is guaranteed. As for the rest, I'll just leave that to everyone else. Okay, sorry for not understanding the rule. I'm not up to par with the whole CBA.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 26, 2017 20:32:46 GMT -5
Also with all the shoulder problems that Hanley is having, I'd feel like the Sox would be best served by having a guy like Selsky over the roster rather than Chris Young. The lack of versatility is going to kill the Sox from Young's side of things and Moreland might have to see at bats versus LHP because of it. Plus, if the Sox drop Young after spring training, they only owe him the first 30 days of his pro rated contract, I think. Or maybe they'd be on the hook for the full contract. I'm not sure how that rule works. If they could save money by dropping Young, they could save more money against the threshold this year and maybe promote Rusney if they need to. No they really wouldn't. If somebody in the OF gets hurt and the Red Sox need somebody to play for an extended amount of time I'd much prefer Young over Selsky and I, too, like Selsky. Young is a proven commodity who kills lefties and he actually hung in against righties last season, and even though he wouldn't exactly be an asset in CF, I'd trust him there over Selsky and I'd certainly prefer him in the OF corner over Selsky. Selsky is a nice 25th man on the roster, but he shouldn't be their primary backup outfielder, and nor should Brock Holt for that matter. I just don't agree with the defensive side of where you are coming from. Chris Young is a LF only at this point, maybe a fill-in at RF every now and again. Selsky has more range and has a better arm over Young's noodle arm out there. Selsky even played CF and looked competent doing so this spring. Chris Young however is no longer a CF at all. Selsky is just the better and more versatile defender at this point, and I don't think it's even close. The rest is all speculative. Selsky doesn't have a major league track record. I think he could be a great bench piece as a versatile guy who can play all 3 OF positions with 1B and maybe even 3B at some point (he's getting reps at 3B now).
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