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2017 Red Sox Major League Spring Training Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 16, 2017 4:53:59 GMT -5
I can't find where I saw it but there was an interesting quote from Xander (Not exact wording but close):
"Benintendi is a better player than I was at the same age and I think he will end up being a better player than me."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 16, 2017 5:48:40 GMT -5
I can't find where I saw it but there was an interesting quote from Xander (Not exact wording but close): "Benintendi is a better player than I was at the same age and I think he will end up being a better player than me." I think Benintendi is already better defensively than Xander. Xander is being humble though. How easily he forgets that he was a 20 year old short stop playing in world series games. Benintendi was in college at that point. I agree with his sentiment however. Benintendi is going to be special, that's not a knock on Xander though.
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Post by ryan24 on Feb 16, 2017 7:04:57 GMT -5
I would be quite surprised if Pomeranz, Rodriguez, and Wright all were both healthy and/or looked at least somewhat effective this spring. I have major concerns about Wright in particular. But if they all do look good to go, I would think Rodriguez would head to Pawtucket for what would likely be a pretty brief stint. Pretty confident at this point about Kelly being viewed as one of the top setup men in the bullpen. The pitching situation right now appears to be a very good one. 6 starters and 7 or8 in the pen. Sales, price, and porcello are rock solid and a given. Pomer, e rod and wright present health issues. If all 3 are healthy I agree e rod to AAA. More than 1 hurt than Owens or Johnson come and fill. Probably do not need 5 starters until sometime in May. Kim, Thom, Kelly, Ross, and Barnes are a given. Abad and Hembree are a toss up. Possible that Barnes gets moved down because he has options left, but I don't think so. I think this comes down to the last week of ST. I think that we have a small surplus in each area. Based on his track record and what we may need elsewhere or on the farm it would not surprise me to see Dave make more than one trade here. A trade may be needed to plug a hole at 3rd if Pablo does not have a good spring. Certainly a fun time of the year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 16, 2017 7:16:09 GMT -5
Outside of a rental like a Todd Frazier, there's no one out there to trade for at third base. The Sox will have to fill the third base position eternally if Pablo fails. Which means Pablo will get a month of rope to perform, I think. The Sox need Pablo this year to be a average player, which he's perfectly capable of being.
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Post by ryan24 on Feb 16, 2017 7:39:55 GMT -5
Outside of a rental like a Todd Frazier, there's no one out there to trade for at third base. The Sox will have to fill the third base position eternally if Pablo fails. Which means Pablo will get a month of rope to perform, I think. The Sox need Pablo this year to be a average player, which he's perfectly capable of being. Totally agree on Pablo. One month is a good time frame. But with Dave's trades so far you never know what he will come up with. But you have an interesting framework to work with. Is Devers the man 2 years down the road? Salary cap issues/ concerns. It appears the options are a rental like frazier. Or a young player with options, like a Mike M at K C . Just an example not saying he is available or the sox have interest.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 16, 2017 7:49:11 GMT -5
Mike Moose from KC won't be traded until July at the earliest, if at all. If KC is in the playoff mix, he won't be traded. So I wouldn't consider him a real option at this point.
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Post by ryan24 on Feb 16, 2017 7:59:27 GMT -5
Mike Moose from KC won't be traded until July at the earliest, if at all. If KC is in the playoff mix, he won't be traded. So I wouldn't consider him a real option at this point. I do not. He was the first example that I could think of. I do not know if there is anyone out there like him. Just going with the POSSIBLE theory that they trade to get a young major league player with options who could be an upgrade.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 16, 2017 8:43:24 GMT -5
The Rangers at 28/1 is probably the best bet there.
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Post by telluricrook on Feb 16, 2017 10:50:04 GMT -5
I got this feeling that Xander cant wait to get out of Boston.
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Post by mattpicard on Feb 16, 2017 12:06:27 GMT -5
I got this feeling that Xander cant wait to get out of Boston. I don't. Care to elaborate? Please don't tell me that quote of his on Benintendi contributes to you thinking that.
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Post by telluricrook on Feb 16, 2017 13:26:40 GMT -5
I got this feeling that Xander cant wait to get out of Boston. I don't. Care to elaborate? Please don't tell me that quote of his on Benintendi contributes to you thinking that. Doent like playing in the Cold, Doesnt like playing under pressure, He is signed with Boras for a reason and he will go with whoever gives him the most money and I just dont like his attitude he seems to purposefully be uninterested all the time In all of his interviews. Anyway it looks like Betts and Benintendi are the ones the Red Sox will go with. Cant sign everyone. And when recently asked if he wanted an extension he was like "we'll see". We'll see? Ya we'll see how much fun you will have when you get shipped off to a crappy team while we replenish our farm!
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 16, 2017 13:54:11 GMT -5
I don't. Care to elaborate? Please don't tell me that quote of his on Benintendi contributes to you thinking that. Doent like playing in the Cold, Doesnt like playing under pressure, He is signed with Boras for a reason and he will go with whoever gives him the most money and I just dont like his attitude he seems to purposefully be uninterested all the time In all of his interviews. Anyway it looks like Betts and Benintendi are the ones the Red Sox will go with. Cant sign everyone. And when recently asked if he wanted an extension he was like "we'll see". We'll see? Ya we'll see how much fun you will have when you get shipped off to a crappy team while we replenish our farm! What am I thinking right now?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 16, 2017 16:38:39 GMT -5
Probably do not need 5 starters until sometime in May. Unless you plan on starting guys on short rest, you'll need the fifth starter on April 9 in the sixth game of the year.
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Post by tookme55 on Feb 16, 2017 18:10:20 GMT -5
Boras will demand $30M for Xander and unless his power numbers change drastically, we simply can't pay him, not with Sale and Porcello coming up for FA at the same time and Bradley JR and Betts a year later.
For me, he's my #4/#5 option out of the five, Betts, Sale, Bradley Jr, Porcello and Xander.
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Post by thursty on Feb 16, 2017 18:17:00 GMT -5
I couldn't disagree more wrt Xander and his interview style; I find him engaging (certainly compared to most baseball players). He actually (some of the time) says something revealing, whereas Mookie falls back into Bull Durham mode and Jackie is inveterately defensive
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 16, 2017 20:04:22 GMT -5
Outside of a rental like a Todd Frazier, there's no one out there to trade for at third base. The Sox will have to fill the third base position eternally if Pablo fails. Which means Pablo will get a month of rope to perform, I think. The Sox need Pablo this year to be a average player, which he's perfectly capable of being. Totally agree on Pablo. One month is a good time frame. But with Dave's trades so far you never know what he will come up with. But you have an interesting framework to work with. Is Devers the man 2 years down the road? Salary cap issues/ concerns. It appears the options are a rental like frazier. Or a young player with options, like a Mike M at K C . Just an example not saying he is available or the sox have interest. Wild guess, it's probably going to involve the most expensive item on the market and he's probably going to pay a premium for it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 16, 2017 21:29:19 GMT -5
I don't. Care to elaborate? Please don't tell me that quote of his on Benintendi contributes to you thinking that. Doent like playing in the Cold, Doesnt like playing under pressure, He is signed with Boras for a reason and he will go with whoever gives him the most money and I just dont like his attitude he seems to purposefully be uninterested all the time In all of his interviews. Anyway it looks like Betts and Benintendi are the ones the Red Sox will go with. Cant sign everyone. And when recently asked if he wanted an extension he was like "we'll see". We'll see? Ya we'll see how much fun you will have when you get shipped off to a crappy team while we replenish our farm! The nerve of this kid, wanting to have a say over his own career.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 16, 2017 21:50:00 GMT -5
From Keith Law's chat:
Jeremiah: Hey Keith, love your work and your prospect material seems to come at just the right time to break up the bore of the offseason. I wsnted to ask, if you could start a team around one minor league player with no mlb experience, who would be the first one or two that come to mind? Who do you see with superstar potential..with no mlb experience. Thx for your time
Klaw: I put Kopech where I did for that reason – on the pitcher side, he’s got the best combination of upside (ace, maybe top 5 in baseball kind of starter) and probability (there’s a lot already in place). Position player, Rosario. I’d want a guy up the middle with offensive upside.
Steve Gasser: Do you think Rafael Devers will have any/many .300/.500 seasons in the majors? Thanks.
Klaw: Slugging .500, absolutely. Hitting .300, maybe a few. I think he’s a superstar, though.
Elf: I know you do prospect assessment without looking at others doing the same type of lists, but as someone who’s been compiling major prospect lists for the last decade, it seems like this year has had by far the most discrepancy of any year I’ve seen, with top 50 players that aren’t even mentioned by others. Do you see any reason why this may be happening; easier access to MiLB stats, prevalence of fantasy, change in valued skills, or just a fluke year with guys like Mateo and Zimmer making it seem like there’s a shift? Thanks!
Klaw: On the contrary, I know MLB’s list and mine lined up quite a bit – Mayo and I were discussing that just the other day. I haven’t looked at BA’s list yet and I don’t think Eric has posted one yet on Fangraphs. That’s all the lists I’d look at; I don’t think others are comparable (although I would never say “don’t read X,” I’m just saying a direct comparison doesn’t work because of how folks like Jim, Jonathan, John and I put ours together).
ADD: (Sorry forgot this one)...
James: What do you think of Josh Ockimey? He was so good in his first 75-80 games and so bad in his final 40 or so. I would imagine he’s an extreme risk, but it he a risky guy you like?
Klaw: Yep, he’s in my Boston org writeup, and it was just what you said. Has to hit, since he’s 1b only, but he really seemed to hit a wall in late July and was just toast.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 16, 2017 22:11:20 GMT -5
I don't. Care to elaborate? Please don't tell me that quote of his on Benintendi contributes to you thinking that. Doent like playing in the Cold, Doesnt like playing under pressure, He is signed with Boras for a reason and he will go with whoever gives him the most money and I just dont like his attitude he seems to purposefully be uninterested all the time In all of his interviews. Anyway it looks like Betts and Benintendi are the ones the Red Sox will go with. Cant sign everyone. And when recently asked if he wanted an extension he was like "we'll see". We'll see? Ya we'll see how much fun you will have when you get shipped off to a crappy team while we replenish our farm! I'm never going to be able to find it but about a month ago he addressed the issue when asked if the Sox had talked to him about an extension. His answer (paraphrasing) was not yet, he'd love to have a long career in Boston and Scott Boris is not opposed to contact extentions with a players current club. . . . My speculation, if the rules haven't changed since they did this with Adrian Gonzalez a while back [player AAVs are established on opening day], the Sox will wait until near the end of spring training to talk extensions with whoever they want to extend then work out the details which will take them slightly past opening day to dot the i's and cross the t's. That way they stay under the AAV for 2017, reset the clock and blast past the salary cap for 2018 & 2019. ADD: When asked the same question, Mookie's answer was "Not a peep".
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 17, 2017 4:24:42 GMT -5
Boras will demand $30M for Xander and unless his power numbers change drastically, we simply can't pay him, not with Sale and Porcello coming up for FA at the same time and Bradley JR and Betts a year later. For me, he's my #4/#5 option out of the five, Betts, Sale, Bradley Jr, Porcello and Xander. Xander is 3rd or 4th on my extension list for me behind Betts, Benintendi, and Sale. He's going to be 27 when he's a free agent. JBJ will be 30. Porcello is a pitcher with a good but not great track record of success and he'll be 31 when he's a free agent. His stuff will probably drop off to the point in which he could easily be a back end starter around that time.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 17, 2017 4:35:57 GMT -5
The players that fall into the usual time frame and who haven't already signed an extension are Betts, JBJ, Pomeranz, Kelly and Xander.
Benintendi, Wright & Vazquez don't have the usual major league experience that is somewhat typical.
Sale is already on an extended contract and it's rare to see players extend an extended contract.
Priorities should be relative to the cost of the contract vs the expected return, not just based on the quality of the player.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 17, 2017 4:37:04 GMT -5
People need to stop it with the Xander won't sign here and he'll go to the highest bidder stuff too.
Xander has been on record of saying he loves Boston. He's been with the organization since the age of 16, he literally grew up with the Sox. To me, Xander might be easier to sign to a extension because Xander has shown more willingness to say "we will see," which sounds like he's very much open to the idea of getting paid and staying here.
The one player who is looking ominous to extend is Mookie believe it or not. He's been on record to saying that he isn't looking to get extended and he prefers one year deals. He probably knows how he's viewed around the league and what he's looking to get paid when he hits free agency. I hope the Sox extend him, at least he's here for at least 4 years.
In my eyes, Xander could be the easiest player of the two to extend, even with Boras as his agent.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 17, 2017 4:41:08 GMT -5
Betts grew up with baseball and spent a lot of time with the Rockies locker rooms as a kid with his uncle Terry Shumpert.
ADD: I don't believe I've ever seen Mookie as saying he prefers one year deals. I don't believe that statement.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 17, 2017 4:45:57 GMT -5
Betts grew up with baseball and spent a lot of time with the Rockies locker rooms as a kid with his uncle Terry Shumpert. Ohh I knew about his uncle and the way he grew up, I just have no idea how Mookie views the Sox organization. He's one of the team leaders right now. He's pretty vocal inside the locker room from what all the media around the team has said. It would hurt to lose this guy once his 6 years of control is up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 17, 2017 4:49:39 GMT -5
Betts grew up with baseball and spent a lot of time with the Rockies locker rooms as a kid with his uncle Terry Shumpert. Ohh I knew about his uncle and the way he grew up, I just have no idea how Mookie views the Sox organization. He's one of the team leaders right now. He's pretty vocal inside the locker room from what all the media around the team has said. It would hurt to lose this guy once his 6 years of control is up. Difficult is relative but he'll definitely cost more than any of the others. Mookie, like anyone else, has to weigh the security of a contract vs the risk of waiting for a bigger payday. Anybody can get hurt. Even for lesser players, the very first extended contract represents lifetime financial security. If, heaven forbid, Mookie lost a limb in a car accident, he wouldn't have that.
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