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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 4, 2017 21:52:52 GMT -5
I don't understand your point - the CBA/CBT will be operative at the time of Price's opt-out - that's the relevant matter. It will be interesting to see how the MLBAM $ plays out - as you mention the real growth is in *non MLB-related* revenue, the owners have been pretty adamant that the players have no claim on that part of the pie; of course, there's nothing that could legally prevent those revenues from spilling out into the FA market - that would require the sort of restraint and discipline that MLB owners have not shown in the past. It will also be interesting how much of the cable TV cash cow can be made up by MLB direct streaming their product when the inevitable death of the current model comes. I was more or less addressing your opening paragraph. On the other hand it will also affect the landscape for Price because of some shorter than usual term signings. When Price has an opt out, everyone except the Dodgers will have reset the clock.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 4, 2017 23:00:13 GMT -5
Depends on the degree and location of the tear, and in particular if there's significant accompanying swelling. The big question is, how will it look on a follow-up MRI in a month or so? Swelling/inflammation really obscures UCL visualization of partial tears (although with both surgeons saying "no problem" maybe they got a nice image of an intact UCL). They usually delay the MRIs when there is too much swelling/inflammation, right? It really depends on the injury, but often (especially when cost is no object) they'll do one right away, and then do a follow-up if warranted. In this case, they're looking for frank tear and clear indication for surgery. The fact that he got such a glowing diagnosis says to me that the injury is likely to be clearly apart from the ligament itself, be it flexor tendon/brachoradialis/flexor muscle inflammation, or something similar. If there's swelling/inflammation of the UCL, they'd put him on rest/indomethacin (or flurbiprofen) and re-evaluate in 1-2 weeks. MRI has multiple imaging modalities that allow you to differentiate inflammatory swelling, blood, nervous/muscle/other soft tissue, etc. So it's generally useful even in acute situations (except for bone, where good ol' X-ray is ideal), for any sort of soft tissue injury. The only issue is that, yes, direct injury and inflammation/bleeding can obscure partial tears, and some injuries (like partial LCL, which is what I was worried about with Benintendi) just don't show up. All in all, though, this really is a best-case, because by nature of the response it suggests that they have minimal concern for even a partial tear. Otherwise they would've probably reported in the media re: waiting for follow-up. I'm guessing they'll still do one in 2 weeks or so, but we probably won't hear about it unless his symptoms pop up again. Pretty good news.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 4, 2017 23:16:09 GMT -5
The diagnosis was bone spurs and a mild flexor strain. I think the Sox should be clear of any ligament damage. I'm actually kind of glad that I got to hear that Price has a "bionic arm" that has learned to heal itself.
I wonder what the Sox will do with the bone spurs situation though. Probably surgery might be needed for that sooner rather than later.
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Post by libertine on Mar 5, 2017 0:17:19 GMT -5
When I hear top medical professionals describe some part of a person's anatomy as "unique" it does pique my curiosity. Makes me want to know; how so?
That being said of course this is nothing but good news. And there doesn't appear to be any significant permanent damage having been done to his elbow. I am guessing he has probably dealt with slight elbow pain/discomfort on an ongoing, but probably intermittent, basis from those spurs...they tend to irritate things in their general area like in this case. Agree that at some point he will probably need to address them.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 5, 2017 11:51:55 GMT -5
Over/Under. David Price throws 185 innings in 2017. Being the eternal optimist I will go over. He will miss just a few starts and have more of a pitch count limit but still go over 185. It will be close though.
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Post by Coreno on Mar 5, 2017 15:26:56 GMT -5
Pretty smart business by ownership, making the only exception to their "pitchers over 30" rule be guys with bionic arms.
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Post by doctorduck21 on Mar 5, 2017 17:47:37 GMT -5
The diagnosis was bone spurs and a mild flexor strain. I think the Sox should be clear of any ligament damage. I'm actually kind of glad that I got to hear that Price has a "bionic arm" that has learned to heal itself. I wonder what the Sox will do with the bone spurs situation though. Probably surgery might be needed for that sooner rather than later. Maybe for the bone spurs, that'll be something to take care of after the season if everything goes fine during the year. Get the rehab done in the offseason and be good to good next yeat
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Post by larrycook on Mar 6, 2017 0:29:14 GMT -5
The diagnosis was bone spurs and a mild flexor strain. I think the Sox should be clear of any ligament damage. I'm actually kind of glad that I got to hear that Price has a "bionic arm" that has learned to heal itself. I wonder what the Sox will do with the bone spurs situation though. Probably surgery might be needed for that sooner rather than later. Maybe for the bone spurs, that'll be something to take care of after the season if everything goes fine during the year. Get the rehab done in the offseason and be good to good next yeat The question is can he pitch effctivrly with the Spurs? If they cause inflammation or inhibit movement in any way, they will need to be removed sooner. This is something to watch closely and I am sure the six will do just that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 6, 2017 3:15:05 GMT -5
Kind of ironic that this might be the only time where I can say I feel better about a player and his contract after a injury.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 6, 2017 3:29:04 GMT -5
I'm still confused about his pitching with the Spurs. They have pitchers now ?
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Post by jimoh on Mar 6, 2017 5:38:41 GMT -5
“I must have confidence and I must be worthy of the great DiMaggio who does all things perfectly, even with the pain of the bone spur in his heel.” ... “Do you believe the great DIMaggio would stay with a fish as long as I will stay with this one? He thought. I am sure he would and more since he is young and strong. Also his father was a fisherman. But would the bone spur hurt him to much?”
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 6, 2017 9:20:03 GMT -5
I'm still confused about his pitching with the Spurs. They have pitchers now ? Gregg Popovich continues to defy orthodoxy.
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Post by michael on Mar 6, 2017 9:47:21 GMT -5
I'm still confused about his pitching with the Spurs. They have pitchers now ? Gregg Popovich continues to defy orthodoxy. What does celebrating Easter two weeks late have to do with baseball?
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 8, 2017 10:07:57 GMT -5
They are celebrating Easter the same week this year. Gregg Popovich brings everything full circle.
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Post by michael on Mar 8, 2017 10:20:07 GMT -5
They are celebrating Easter the same week this year. Gregg Popovich brings everything full circle. Aah, but since so many are writing off this year I'm already concerned about 2018.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 14, 2017 10:28:51 GMT -5
After reading Macpherson's article recently, I'm almost convinced now that Price will need the surgery. Maybe he's putting it off because of the opt out in his contract or maybe he's putting it off because you're less likely to recover from the surgery when you get older. Hence why he probably said "I would have got the surgery when I was 22 or 23." Either way, I don't expect to see David Price for very long. The doctor in Brain's article also mentioned why his command was so off. Probably why his velocity dipped last year. www.providencejournal.com/sports/20170313/david-price-is-throwing-again-but-hes-far-from-out-of-woods
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 22, 2017 12:41:33 GMT -5
So after throwing last week, he has stopped throwing this week. Does anyone see this as a bad sign as I personally do?
Just get the surgery done already.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 22, 2017 12:48:50 GMT -5
Just get the surgery done already. The upside here is that everyone on the internet questions whether Dr. Andrews was right not to recommend Tommy John surgery while I slowly descend into madness. Masahiro Tanaka also screwed up by not getting surgery.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 22, 2017 13:07:36 GMT -5
Wouldn't you say Tanaka is the exception to the rule?
What about Adam Wainwright who was in the same position as Tanaka with the partial tear and ultimately needed surgery over time?
You can point to a good example to prove your point but the fact that Price goes from throwing to shutting down isn't a good sign from the David Price side of things.
Edit- Tanaka didn't need the surgery but he ultimately needed the PRP injection, which has worked for now in his case.
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Post by dirtdog on Apr 19, 2017 20:04:09 GMT -5
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 19, 2017 23:25:49 GMT -5
This is so obviously leading to a situation where he'll slowly work his way up to throwing in real MLB games, be terrible (because he's injured), then he'll get the surgery——effectively just delaying his being truly healthy an additional 3 months for no good reason.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2017 3:07:18 GMT -5
Best case scenario with Price is that if he needs the surgery, he turns into what Lackey was after his Tommy John surgery with the Sox. I think there's no chance of a opt out in his contract at this point. The Sox might have to punt 63 million dollars the next two years to get whatever is left out of their deal.
The Sox are still in good shape with a full rotation, and Johnson just showed he was capable of being a perfect spot starter like I hoped he would. The Sox are in good shape, despite this Price set back.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 20, 2017 7:05:36 GMT -5
I am not a doctor but at this point I feel like it would be in both sides interests to go ahead and get the surgery. At least if he gets the surgery now we might be talking about one lost season, if he keeps trying to push through it and comes back in June/July and then needs it anyway we are talking about 2 full seasons down the drain.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 20, 2017 7:08:19 GMT -5
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 20, 2017 7:25:04 GMT -5
Merged the Price update thread into here.
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