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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Aug 16, 2017 19:18:18 GMT -5
I sure hope Price doesn't become "Sandoval Part Two." In other words, a guy who can't stay on the field... but worse... a guy who doesn't seem to really care about whether he's a major player on the club.
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Aug 16, 2017 19:19:26 GMT -5
David Price suffered another set back whole throwing long toss yesterday. John Farrell was quoted in saying "he wasn't able to throw freely." Just get the freaking surgery done and we will see you in 2019 Price. You would have plenty of time to rehab the elbow if you got it done now. Edit- I'd say there's a 5 percent chance he comes back in 2017 and pitches again. I've seen people assume that TJ is inevitable, but do we even know that it's a UCL issue?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2017 20:09:11 GMT -5
David Price suffered another set back whole throwing long toss yesterday. John Farrell was quoted in saying "he wasn't able to throw freely." Just get the freaking surgery done and we will see you in 2019 Price. You would have plenty of time to rehab the elbow if you got it done now. Edit- I'd say there's a 5 percent chance he comes back in 2017 and pitches again. I've seen people assume that TJ is inevitable, but do we even know that it's a UCL issue? It's been a UCL injury since the beginning of the season.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 16, 2017 20:20:24 GMT -5
I am so sick of this guy, after this year he will have eaten up 62 million of the red soxs payroll. Just an absolute massive overpay for such little production. Cap it off with his poor attitude
No more big contracts to players on the wrong side of 30 DD!
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Post by geostorm on Aug 16, 2017 22:51:05 GMT -5
I am so sick of this guy, after this year he will have eaten up 62 million of the red soxs payroll. Just an absolute massive overpay for such little production. Cap it off with his poor attitude No more big contracts to players on the wrong side of 30 DD! unless his name rhymes with "Chris Sale"...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 17, 2017 1:12:06 GMT -5
I am so sick of this guy, after this year he will have eaten up 62 million of the red soxs payroll. Just an absolute massive overpay for such little production. Cap it off with his poor attitude No more big contracts to players on the wrong side of 30 DD! unless his name rhymes with "Chris Sale"... Sale is 28 1/3.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 17, 2017 7:36:58 GMT -5
I don't really know what to make out of David Price, the person. But as far as the ballplayer, I have no doubt he wants to be out there and doing well. If there is any chance that he can pitch this year, I feel him and the club will forego any conversation of surgery before the years end. He can go under the knife in the off season, which is likely guaranteed at this point.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 17, 2017 21:23:55 GMT -5
I'd like to see Price get the TJ surgery right after the season. I'd also like he and the RS to agree to modify his contract so that the opt-out gets moved back a year. If he comes back strong from TJ in 2019, he might want to test the market. Getting out of the last three years of that deal would be a gift from heaven for the RS.
Obviously if he gets TJ this off-season then the right to opt out after 2018 is useless to him. It would be in both sides' interest to move it back a year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2017 1:52:40 GMT -5
I'd like to see Price get the TJ surgery right after the season. I'd also like he and the RS to agree to modify his contract so that the opt-out gets moved back a year. If he comes back strong from TJ in 2019, he might want to test the market. Getting out of the last three years of that deal would be a gift from heaven for the RS. Obviously if he gets TJ this off-season then the right to opt out after 2018 is useless to him. It would be in both sides' interest to move it back a year. I object to this. The Sox should have no interest in moving Price's opt out date. If David Price came back strong after Tommy John surgery, then the Sox would have a healthy David Price for 4 years. The last two years of that deal would probably feature some decline perhaps but getting a really good David Price back and controlling him would be in the best interest for the Sox.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 19, 2017 10:08:53 GMT -5
I'd like to see Price get the TJ surgery right after the season. I'd also like he and the RS to agree to modify his contract so that the opt-out gets moved back a year. If he comes back strong from TJ in 2019, he might want to test the market. Getting out of the last three years of that deal would be a gift from heaven for the RS. Obviously if he gets TJ this off-season then the right to opt out after 2018 is useless to him. It would be in both sides' interest to move it back a year. I object to this. The Sox should have no interest in moving Price's opt out date. If David Price came back strong after Tommy John surgery, then the Sox would have a healthy David Price for 4 years. The last two years of that deal would probably feature some decline perhaps but getting a really good David Price back and controlling him would be in the best interest for the Sox. In theory, it's indeed not good when a guy exercises his opt-out. If he's pitching well enough to do that, he has value to you that exceeds his salary. In practice, there are two ways in which it can help the team he's leaving -- one general, one team-specific. Player contracts to older players tend to be front-loaded. You might pay for 4.0 WAR per year over the course the contract, thinking that the first few years will be 5.0 - 6.0 WAR seasons and that the tail-end years will be more in the 3.0 or even 2.0 range. In these cases, a player opting out of the second half of the contract can be a win for his team. This is especially true given that contracts to older players tend to be over-pays. The second way is best illustrated with a Sox example. Let's say we still have 6 solid starters when Price's opt-out comes up (i.e., Pomeranz has signed an extension), plus a guy being Groomed to take his job going forward. And that the rotation without Price shapes up to be nearly as good in the long run with the youngster replacing him, while in the short term, you have sufficient depth. The opt-out saves you nearly $30M, money which can be used on other talent -- especially, extending the young core (including Sale and maybe Porcello, who become free agents the year after Price can opt out). Now, we've already done the reverse of this by trading the cost-controlled Kopech for the soon-to-very-expensive Sale. That was probably not a trade we wanted or needed to make if Price had been right. So there would be some balance if Price opted out and could be replaced internally. Edit: So far we've paid Price $52.4M (which goes up $185K every game we play) and have gotten $32.55M of value (using FanGraphs $/W and bWAR). He's been averaging 2.85 bWAR per 32 starts, and we paid for 4.0.
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Post by brendan98 on Aug 30, 2017 10:30:48 GMT -5
Does anyone know if it would be illegal by MLB rules, if the Red Sox at the end of 2018 offered David Price an incentive to opt out of his contract?
Price’s contract is set to pay him $127M in 2019-2022, that’s money I think everyone would rather see go towards resigning Chris Sale and others. Price might just want out of Boston bad enough to opt out even though he probably won’t get the same money as a free agent, but if it doesn’t appear likely that he would walk away from the money owed him, could the Sox offer him money to exercise his opt out? If so, how much do you think the Sox should throw in to get him to leave?
Obviously a lot of this might be dictated on Price’s performance and health up until the end of next year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 30, 2017 11:29:39 GMT -5
I don't believe they can do something outside the terms of the contract to do that. They could buy him out but they'd still be on the hook for the money, defeating the purpose.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 30, 2017 12:32:29 GMT -5
Maybe spiders in the locker, a few crank calls, that sort of thing.
The risk-reward exchange on a deal with an opt-out, especially for a pitcher, is colossally dumb. You're risking over $200 million for an upside of like 18.0 WAR. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 30, 2017 21:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 31, 2017 3:07:31 GMT -5
Ugly! Only 5 more years at 30 mil. Unless he opt's out. With potential arm injury why would he opt out? Maybe we can trade him to the dodgers for allen Webster again.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 31, 2017 6:08:23 GMT -5
Ugly! Only 5 more years at 30 mil. Unless he opt's out. With potential arm injury why would he opt out? Maybe we can trade him to the dodgers for allen Webster again. If he needs the surgery after the season, then so be it. I would rather him blow his arm for this year's playoff run out of the bullpen.
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Post by jmei on Sept 7, 2017 22:14:33 GMT -5
I moved a David Price trade discussion to its own thread in the trade proposal subforum.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 8, 2017 14:09:56 GMT -5
If he needs surgery lets get it done. When you add last year and this year together, something is wrong with him. The sooner he has it, the sooner he gets back to being Price. I just have this feeling he won't get it and then at the start of next year he will after having more issues. Costing us 6 months of rehab time.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 14, 2017 12:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by michael on Sept 18, 2017 12:09:35 GMT -5
'twould appear that Price will not be overweight and useless. I know SSS.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 21, 2017 4:44:42 GMT -5
Since Dr Andrews recommended no surgery and given an increasing body of successes with stem cell treatment including Pomeranz, I wonder if that might not be the better alternative for both Price and Hanley.
Disclaimer: I'm pretty clueless here.
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 21, 2017 8:29:32 GMT -5
Since Dr Andrews recommended no surgery and given an increasing body of successes with stem cell treatment including Pomeranz, I wonder if that might not be the better alternative for both Price and Hanley. Disclaimer: I'm pretty clueless here. Sometimes I think similair things Then watching Prices velocity hopping up to 96, 97 while sportscasters still pointed out he was still hurt because of the lack of curveballs. All proof I'm just as clueless sometimes, and that's why I love baseball.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 23, 2018 22:31:06 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 24, 2018 6:54:42 GMT -5
Just wondering has anyone missed Vasquez? Did Leon help Price get here ? Are Vasquez days numbered? I would not give him away. But things to think about in the offseason. Swihart is incredible athlete.
I keep remembering Lou Merloni saying this kids days are numbered. We are only scratching the surface with him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 24, 2018 10:33:44 GMT -5
Just wondering has anyone missed Vasquez? Did Leon help Price get here ? Are Vasquez days numbered? I would not give him away. But things to think about in the offseason. Swihart is incredible athlete. I keep remembering Lou Merloni saying this kids days are numbered. We are only scratching the surface with him. I find it hard to believe they carry 3 catchers again but maybe they will since Swithart has turned into a super utility guy.
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