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Post by nomar on Mar 3, 2017 16:56:46 GMT -5
Today has been a good day
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 3, 2017 18:49:38 GMT -5
The news is good for now but he isn't out of the woods yet, I will keep my fingers crossed. It does seem more likely he wont opt out in the future, that doesn't have to be bad news. I think he has a bulldog type of personality that will keep him competitive til the end of the deal. If he can stay healthy.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 3, 2017 20:59:50 GMT -5
I think the diagnosis was a strain and not a tear. Rest should do the trick. This was the best possible outcome.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 3, 2017 21:07:49 GMT -5
The results are he doesn't need TJS or plasma platelet treatment (or whatever that is).... rest 7-10 days Hope all you cliff jumpers had a parachute I think that it was quite reasonable to suspect a serious or potentially serious injury given his many innings pitched over years, his significant decline in velocity/effectiveness, the location of his pain and its being coincident with TJ candidates, an MRI whose findings resulted in consultation with two physicians including the TJ specialist in Andrews. We still do not have a diagnosis and we know there is an injury. To sit back on "Monday" and crow a bit scornfully at those who feared the worst under the then known facts is a little too self congratulatory IMO.
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Post by rookie13 on Mar 3, 2017 21:21:37 GMT -5
I agree with what someone said recently, it's not like Price is out of the woods yet. Obviously it's an optimistic sign that they didn't immediately recommend TJS, but until the fluid in his elbow goes down it'll be hard to get a proper reading on his MRI.
He may still need it, he may not need it, or he may just miss a month or two. There's plenty of outcomes here. I see no reason to worry about this until we hear just how bad his soreness/injury is.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 3, 2017 23:08:08 GMT -5
Pomeranz first start aside for the Sox (he did not pitch for 13 days, some will insist that is cherry picking I beg to differ and call it common sense) his game log is 6IP-2ER, 5.1IP- 5ER, 6IP-2ER, 5.1IP-1ER, 7.2IP-2ER, 5IP-1ER, 6IP-2ER, 6.2IP-3ER, 5.2IP-2ER (Sept.5) and after that he wore down. 10 straight starts with the team with only 1 bad start. For that 10 game stretch his ERA was 3.41 while with the Red Sox. His sOPS+ by month was 80, 30,75, 86 (3 of 5 starts with Sox) ,82,143. What is the outlier here? His absurd May (30) and awful Sept (143). What is left is 80,75,86 and 82 with 11 starts with SD and 9 with Boston. It's amazingly consistent no matter where he pitched or when. It appears that people are going out of there way to find fault with him because he was traded for AE. It appears that not only was he all star worthy in the first half in the National League with San Diego 2.47 ERA, 3.15 FIP but for another third of the Season AFTER the All star break he was still good, perhaps even very good with a 3.41 ERA playing in the AL for the first time with brand new catchers and a new city. The question with Drew is not is he capable, that was answered if you paid attention last year, the question for him is after pitching a career high in innings last year how well does he hold up and adapt to 170+IP. Good lord, the guy was mediocre with the Red Sox - look at his stats with the Red Sox, not a good stretch of decency. In 2013 Felix Doubront had a stretch where he pitched very well, but overall he wasn't that good. Pomeranz has had a history of injuries and sure enough he wasn't exactly healthy by the end of last season. Who knows how healthy he will be this season or how good he's going to be. It's a huge question mark. You have him pitching at an all-star caliber level while I see him as a guy who is an injury and performance risk. And that's exclusive of the fact that I absolutely hate that they traded Espinoza away for a guy who lacks a lot of certainty - well except for you who is certain of him, I guess. That's it for Pomeranz. This is a David Price thread. So fortunately he's not getting TJ surgery or anything like that now. I do wonder how effective he'll be. If he's really injury free, then the late start to his season can be a blessing in disguise, keeping his innings totals in check, and it also allows them to keep Wright, Pomeranz, and E-Rod in the rotation until he returns. Small injuries and layoffs at staggered intervals throughout the season could keep those six starters fresh while getting a decent amount of work. Real life doesn't always work out that well, though.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 3, 2017 23:13:01 GMT -5
I think I read somewhere that he's only expected to be shut down for 7-9 days. If that's the case he should be ready to start the season in the rotation albeit with maybe a few innings less than normal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 4, 2017 2:45:02 GMT -5
I think if Price feels good by the time he's looked at again, then that's the tell tale sign to know if he's alright.
I mean if the UCL was even partially torn, I don't think he would be feeling better the next couple days like he has been since the injury. Maybe I'm just a optimist about this.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 4, 2017 6:24:56 GMT -5
The results are he doesn't need TJS or plasma platelet treatment (or whatever that is).... rest 7-10 days Hope all you cliff jumpers had a parachute I think that it was quite reasonable to suspect a serious or potentially serious injury given his many innings pitched over years, his significant decline in velocity/effectiveness, the location of his pain and its being coincident with TJ candidates, an MRI whose findings resulted in consultation with two physicians including the TJ specialist in Andrews. We still do not have a diagnosis and we know there is an injury. To sit back on "Monday" and crow a bit scornfully at those who feared the worst under the then known facts is a little too self congratulatory IMO. After reading all the doom and gloom on here for a couple of days I thought the cliff jumpers comment was perfectly accurate while being light and humorous, IMO. Everybody was acting like it was a forgone conclusion he was done.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 4, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -5
The results are he doesn't need TJS or plasma platelet treatment (or whatever that is).... rest 7-10 days Hope all you cliff jumpers had a parachute I think that it was quite reasonable to suspect a serious or potentially serious injury given his many innings pitched over years, his significant decline in velocity/effectiveness, the location of his pain and its being coincident with TJ candidates, an MRI whose findings resulted in consultation with two physicians including the TJ specialist in Andrews. We still do not have a diagnosis and we know there is an injury. To sit back on "Monday" and crow a bit scornfully at those who feared the worst under the then known facts is a little too self congratulatory IMO. I wasn't scoring anyone and my post wasn't directed at anyone who expressed concern. See the 3rd post of the thread I made right when the early news broke. It was directed at the complete over reactors, especially the ones who started trashing DD for trades and the roster again. Every Red Sox fan was worried and some still understandably are. That's different than being a compete over-reactor and taking that to the level of trashing the team or moves they made.
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Post by m1keyboots on Mar 4, 2017 9:54:03 GMT -5
Props to the guy who told everyone ton all hold their horses, a second opinion is not a death sentence, we don't have to start talking about giving up groome, or Devers JUST yet. What does everyone one this site do? Laugh at those jokes and dismiss the guys who made the obvious point
"He's just gerring a second opinion likely from the best"
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Post by p23w on Mar 4, 2017 11:35:46 GMT -5
Over/Under. David Price throws 185 innings in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 12:04:07 GMT -5
Over/Under. David Price throws 185 innings in 2017. I'll take the under. I think the Red Sox should and will be overly cautious with him and put him on the DL to start the year as he gets stretched out. Late April is when I think we'll see him.
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Post by manfred on Mar 4, 2017 15:26:17 GMT -5
Over/Under. David Price throws 185 innings in 2017. I'll go over because I'm an optimist. He'll start the year on DL, but he can still pitch a pretty regular number of games. If he's even the slightly diminished Price of last year he could get 140 innings from 20 starts, and 45 from 9 not great starts. That's totally doable. Anyway, I need a Sox run for a bit of cheer. To have that run, Price is extremely important. Ergo, he'll make 185 (as close to logic as I can get right now).
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Post by telson13 on Mar 4, 2017 16:36:17 GMT -5
I think if Price feels good by the time he's looked at again, then that's the tell tale sign to know if he's alright. I mean if the UCL was even partially torn, I don't think he would be feeling better the next couple days like he has been since the injury. Maybe I'm just a optimist about this. Depends on the degree and location of the tear, and in particular if there's significant accompanying swelling. The big question is, how will it look on a follow-up MRI in a month or so? Swelling/inflammation really obscures UCL visualization of partial tears (although with both surgeons saying "no problem" maybe they got a nice image of an intact UCL).
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 4, 2017 17:49:52 GMT -5
I think if Price feels good by the time he's looked at again, then that's the tell tale sign to know if he's alright. I mean if the UCL was even partially torn, I don't think he would be feeling better the next couple days like he has been since the injury. Maybe I'm just a optimist about this. Depends on the degree and location of the tear, and in particular if there's significant accompanying swelling. The big question is, how will it look on a follow-up MRI in a month or so? Swelling/inflammation really obscures UCL visualization of partial tears (although with both surgeons saying "no problem" maybe they got a nice image of an intact UCL). They usually delay the MRIs when there is too much swelling/inflammation, right?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 4, 2017 19:00:57 GMT -5
Jen McCaffrey @jcmccaffrey 10h10 hours ago
Price encouraged and loose talking today. Said Dr. Andrews and ElAttrache told him he has a very unique elbow, in a good way.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 4, 2017 19:19:13 GMT -5
I am happy that it appears he'll be OK to pitch but I dont see him opting out now. What team is gonna offer him this kind of money with who knows what condition the elbow is really in. Huge money likely tied up going forward. Hopefully he has 3 or 4 strong years going forward. When we thought it was going to be TJ, I had a similar thought. However, I'm not sure how much more you can know what condition the elbow is in than by having it examined by Andrews and ElAttrache. If he has two typical David Price years, he'll opt out and get paid and everyone will forget this happened.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 4, 2017 20:57:28 GMT -5
I am happy that it appears he'll be OK to pitch but I dont see him opting out now. What team is gonna offer him this kind of money with who knows what condition the elbow is really in. Huge money likely tied up going forward. Hopefully he has 3 or 4 strong years going forward. That's a good point, so let's hope he goes another 200+IP and does well this year and next, because the best thing that can happen is that we get 3 good years from him and then he opts out.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 4, 2017 21:11:49 GMT -5
Pomeranz first start aside for the Sox (he did not pitch for 13 days, some will insist that is cherry picking I beg to differ and call it common sense) his game log is 6IP-2ER, 5.1IP- 5ER, 6IP-2ER, 5.1IP-1ER, 7.2IP-2ER, 5IP-1ER, 6IP-2ER, 6.2IP-3ER, 5.2IP-2ER (Sept.5) and after that he wore down. 10 straight starts with the team with only 1 bad start. For that 10 game stretch his ERA was 3.41 while with the Red Sox. His sOPS+ by month was 80, 30,75, 86 (3 of 5 starts with Sox) ,82,143. What is the outlier here? His absurd May (30) and awful Sept (143). What is left is 80,75,86 and 82 with 11 starts with SD and 9 with Boston. It's amazingly consistent no matter where he pitched or when. It appears that people are going out of there way to find fault with him because he was traded for AE. It appears that not only was he all star worthy in the first half in the National League with San Diego 2.47 ERA, 3.15 FIP but for another third of the Season AFTER the All star break he was still good, perhaps even very good with a 3.41 ERA playing in the AL for the first time with brand new catchers and a new city. The question with Drew is not is he capable, that was answered if you paid attention last year, the question for him is after pitching a career high in innings last year how well does he hold up and adapt to 170+IP.
Good lord, the guy was mediocre with the Red Sox - look at his stats with the Red Sox, not a good stretch of decency. In 2013 Felix Doubront had a stretch where he pitched very well, but overall he wasn't that good. Pomeranz has had a history of injuries and sure enough he wasn't exactly healthy by the end of last season. Who knows how healthy he will be this season or how good he's going to be. It's a huge question mark. You have him pitching at an all-star caliber level while I see him as a guy who is an injury and performance risk. And that's exclusive of the fact that I absolutely hate that they traded Espinoza away for a guy who lacks a lot of certainty - well except for you who is certain of him, I guess. That's it for Pomeranz. This is a David Price thread. So fortunately he's not getting TJ surgery or anything like that now. I do wonder how effective he'll be. If he's really injury free, then the late start to his season can be a blessing in disguise, keeping his innings totals in check, and it also allows them to keep Wright, Pomeranz, and E-Rod in the rotation until he returns. Small injuries and layoffs at staggered intervals throughout the season could keep those six starters fresh while getting a decent amount of work. Real life doesn't always work out that well, though. I hilighted in red above to make sure you do not selectively read what I wrote. Of course he's a concern regarding the increase in IP and the way he finished the season in Sept. I wrote that but apparently you did not read that. Also I think I verified beyond any doubt that he did pitch well for us until he clearly wore down by September when he was well above his previous career high in IP. So it appears you are indeed clouded by your hatred of the trade and you actually verified that above. Regarding Price you are more objective, and I agree if he missed a few weeks at the seasons start the Sox could use that as an extended competition to decide who remains in the rotation when Price returns, assuming of course he actually misses time we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by thursty on Mar 4, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
I wonder if there hasn't been a sea-change; only a single FA got a 100+ contract this past off-season; of course this was a particularly weak class to be sure but the people who track and predict FA contracts for a living, all overestimated the contracts that the big FAs received (Encarnacion, Bautista, Trumbo, et al) the only players to get paid were relievers.
Whether it's weeding out of the old guard (tragically excluding the Red Sox), the CBT/CBA, or perhaps longer-term concerns about the financials of MLB (especially as cordcutting is growing), I sense something afoot; and if I were Price's agent, I'd want to have a pretty strong guarantee that there were a couple of teams willing to offer a 33-year old pitcher the equivalent of $127/4 years. Not to mention he won't be in the top 5 of that year's jewel of a FA class.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 4, 2017 21:28:13 GMT -5
I wonder if there hasn't been a sea-change; only a single FA got a 100+ contract this past off-season; of course this was a particularly weak class to be sure but the people who track and predict FA contracts for a living, all overestimated the contracts that the big FAs received (Encarnacion, Bautista, Trumbo, et al) the only players to get paid were relievers. Whether it's weeding out of the old guard (tragically excluding the Red Sox), the CBT/CBA, or perhaps longer-term concerns about the financials of MLB (especially as cordcutting is growing), I sense something afoot; and if I were Price's agent, I'd want to have a pretty strong guarantee that there were a couple of teams willing to offer a 33-year old pitcher the equivalent of $127/4 years. Not to mention he won't be in the top 5 of that year's jewel of a FA class. Alot of good stuff here, I just wanted to add one thing, some of the players who are scheduled to be free agents in that jewel class will likely get resigned before free agency.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 4, 2017 21:33:14 GMT -5
I wonder if there hasn't been a sea-change; only a single FA got a 100+ contract this past off-season; of course this was a particularly weak class to be sure but the people who track and predict FA contracts for a living, all overestimated the contracts that the big FAs received (Encarnacion, Bautista, Trumbo, et al) the only players to get paid were relievers. Whether it's weeding out of the old guard (tragically excluding the Red Sox), the CBT/CBA, or perhaps longer-term concerns about the financials of MLB (especially as cordcutting is growing), I sense something afoot; and if I were Price's agent, I'd want to have a pretty strong guarantee that there were a couple of teams willing to offer a 33-year old pitcher the equivalent of $127/4 years. Not to mention he won't be in the top 5 of that year's jewel of a FA class. The people who predict contracts weren't necessarily aware of how the CBA was going to suddenly and pretty drastically affect the market though. The new CBA makes it a much bigger deal to go over the CBT, for example, so that took teams such as the Red Sox completely out of the running for players that you'd think they'd at least have talked with. As for cord-cutting, MLB is probably in a great position considering that MLBAM is so good that it's being hired by brands outside of MLB.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 4, 2017 21:37:24 GMT -5
I wonder if there hasn't been a sea-change; only a single FA got a 100+ contract this past off-season; of course this was a particularly weak class to be sure but the people who track and predict FA contracts for a living, all overestimated the contracts that the big FAs received (Encarnacion, Bautista, Trumbo, et al) the only players to get paid were relievers. Whether it's weeding out of the old guard (tragically excluding the Red Sox), the CBT/CBA, or perhaps longer-term concerns about the financials of MLB (especially as cordcutting is growing), I sense something afoot; and if I were Price's agent, I'd want to have a pretty strong guarantee that there were a couple of teams willing to offer a 33-year old pitcher the equivalent of $127/4 years. Not to mention he won't be in the top 5 of that year's jewel of a FA class. To me, the new CBA changed the landscape considerably and made several of the 'usual suspects' including the Sox, want to back off and reset for a year. That had a major impact on the big ticket guys, directly and indirectly since there was also by default, less competition for the smaller spenders. The impact is also that it's left all six divisions with a pretty clear favorite for 2017. ADD: To me, the player's union did a poor job this time around. At minimum, they should have pushed for a team minimum salary requirement where the failure to meet the minimum salary would result in a payment to the pool for the difference. That would also have the benefit of making baseball more competitive between teams and would limit the profits of the owners that are just there for the bucks.
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Post by thursty on Mar 4, 2017 21:46:15 GMT -5
I don't understand your point - the CBA/CBT will be operative at the time of Price's opt-out - that's the relevant matter.
It will be interesting to see how the MLBAM $ plays out - as you mention the real growth is in *non MLB-related* revenue, the owners have been pretty adamant that the players have no claim on that part of the pie; of course, there's nothing that could legally prevent those revenues from spilling out into the FA market - that would require the sort of restraint and discipline that MLB owners have not shown in the past. It will also be interesting how much of the cable TV cash cow can be made up by MLB direct streaming their product when the inevitable death of the current model comes.
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