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Post by Coreno on May 26, 2017 23:37:00 GMT -5
Yeah the changes in his batted ball profile, K% and BB% are encouraging. He is BABIPing about .400, and we are still only talking about just over 150PAs of a guy that's shown zero defensive ability so far.
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Post by dnfl333 on May 27, 2017 17:10:36 GMT -5
Perfect trade chip for another SP
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Post by geezergeek on May 28, 2017 12:21:33 GMT -5
With Chavis seemingly breaking out as a good hit third baseman, I'm fearful that Dombrowski will do what he does best and trade Devers (ouch). I don't think Dombrowski will be satisfied unless he trades all RS top 100 prospects.
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Post by mattpicard on May 28, 2017 13:13:14 GMT -5
With Chavis seemingly breaking out as a good hit third baseman, I'm fearful that Dombrowski will do what he does best and trade Devers (ouch). I don't think Dombrowski will be satisfied unless he trades all RS top 100 prospects. Despite third base being his position right now, I doubt the organization has seen enough of him there to become confident in him someday playing the position at the major league level. Not saying he'll have to move elsewhere, but he's somewhat shaky there right now and hasn't been able to play there everyday because of his shoulder.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 29, 2017 14:44:26 GMT -5
So post just get deleted now? Wow!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 29, 2017 14:57:12 GMT -5
So post just get deleted now? Wow! I moved it to the Rankings discussion thread. Relax man. EDIT: I'd forgotten to bump the thread. Explains why it looked like it disappeared. But yeah, rankings stuff goes in the rankings thread.
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Post by larrycook on May 29, 2017 23:39:42 GMT -5
With Chavis seemingly breaking out as a good hit third baseman, I'm fearful that Dombrowski will do what he does best and trade Devers (ouch). I don't think Dombrowski will be satisfied unless he trades all RS top 100 prospects. If I was a team and the sox dangled Chavis out there as potential trade bait, I think I would need Chavis to prove to me that he can stay healthy before I trade for him. I am convinced that Chavis has the hit tools to be a major league hitter one day, but if he continues to miss time with injuries, then the development he needs will not happen,
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Post by boydhurstlovechild on May 30, 2017 0:09:24 GMT -5
I think it's fair to begin to get excited about Chavis. I've certainly been guilty of getting intrigued by illusions created by sss streaks and such, but that's part of the fun of following the minors and the fun of this site. The points that have been made about uncertainties regarding his defense are interesting, valid and things I was incognizant of. But taking sss into account, the kid is putting up numbers that would look goofy to me even if our Hi-A team was still in Lancaster. The rarest unicorn of soxprospects.com history has always seemed to be the long ball tool. That's why I am excited by Devers. Chavis has hit more homers than Devers did at Salem last year in the quarter of the time. So, I'm going to be excited by Chavis and Ockimey until I'm really can't. Was looking at a scouting report from last year that seemed like they thought he could be decent at third and possibly could play 2nd. Wonder if they might try him there a bit? www.baseballprospectus.com/prospects/eyewitness_bat.php?reportid=220
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Post by patford on May 31, 2017 8:29:35 GMT -5
Having listened to the Podcast by Chris and Ian and looked at the scouting report on Michael Chavis I'm wondering about the disparity between the quite positive "Field" section of the scouting report and Chavis' struggles in the filed so far this year. What's up with that? Can we get some more information on his fielding both past and present? Why was fielding not seen as a red flag in the scouting report? And are his numerous errors this year mostly throwing errors (perhaps related to the elbow injury?) or is he just a general mess?
From the scouting report: "Field: Solid footwork, confident charging the ball. Strong instincts and solid range. Fluid actions. Played shortstop at first after signing, but has reportedly been moved off the position for good and will be tried, to start, at third base. Could move to second base or the outfield eventually."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 31, 2017 11:15:42 GMT -5
Updated report sitting in my inbox waiting for editing/posting: Field: Not the most fluid defender. Footwork is choppy and lets the ball play him at times. Hands work and has solid range. Has the raw tools to be at least an average defender at third base, but could have to move to the corner outfield eventually. Played shortstop at first after signing, but was moved off the position for good to third base. (In other words, fair point. We haven't done the best job in the past of updating reports given that there are 200 or so guys in the system and we don't see all of them every day/don't do this for our day jobs. We're trying a lot harder nowadays to do just that, which is part of the reason for the Scouting Log, but sometimes our other commitments - in my case, my day job and other personal commitments - keep us from doing things as quickly as we'd like. But like I said, it's a good and fair question. We're trying to be better there though. In situations like the above, I suggest seeing if there are recent links on the player's page.) OK, back from the aside, I also think part of his issue this year - in that he's been "bad" as opposed to "not good," looking at the error numbers at least - has to be attributed in part to his being unable to play third regularly, presumably due to his elbow problem. But that said, if he can do everything else, they're doing the right thing managing it the way they are. If it's going to linger all year, they probably will wind up promoting him around the ASB and doing the same thing in Portland.
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Post by patford on May 31, 2017 11:25:26 GMT -5
Updated report sitting in my inbox waiting for editing/posting: Field: Not the most fluid defender. Footwork is choppy and lets the ball play him at times. Hands work and has solid range. Has the raw tools to be at least an average defender at third base, but could have to move to the corner outfield eventually. Played shortstop at first after signing, but was moved off the position for good to third base. (In other words, fair point. We haven't done the best job in the past of updating reports given that there are 200 or so guys in the system and we don't see all of them every day/don't do this for our day jobs. We're trying a lot harder nowadays to do just that, which is part of the reason for the Scouting Log, but sometimes our other commitments - in my case, my day job and other personal commitments - keep us from doing things as quickly as we'd like. But like I said, it's a good and fair question. We're trying to be better there though. In situations like the above, I suggest seeing if there are recent links on the player's page.) OK, back from the aside, I also think part of his issue this year - in that he's been "bad" as opposed to "not good," looking at the error numbers at least - has to be attributed in part to his being unable to play third regularly, presumably due to his elbow problem. But that said, if he can do everything else, they're doing the right thing managing it the way they are. If it's going to linger all year, they probably will wind up promoting him around the ASB and doing the same thing in Portland. Thanks for that. I fully understand you guys have a lot on the plate. I guess what I'm asking is was he butchering plays at Greenville 2015-2016? His stats look quite acceptable, even good. Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff G GS Inn Ch PO A E DP Fld% 2016 20 Greenville SALL A BOS 3B 68 68 589.0 181 40 131 10 4 .945
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 31, 2017 11:31:01 GMT -5
No problem. And like I said, it's something that we haven't done a good job with in the past, so I want to make sure I'm not coming off as defensive. But I think we're doing better now and that we can continue to improve in that area, but there are certain realities we need to deal with.
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Post by patford on May 31, 2017 11:37:50 GMT -5
No problem. And like I said, it's something that we haven't done a good job with in the past, so I want to make sure I'm not coming off as defensive. But I think we're doing better now and that we can continue to improve in that area, but there are certain realities we need to deal with. I edited my post above to include his fielding stats at Greenville from 2016. They actually look pretty good. I'm just trying to convince myself that the elbow has temporarily messed him up.
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Post by costpet on May 31, 2017 11:49:35 GMT -5
Well, if Devers is penciled in at 3rd, how is his defense? I haven't heard good things about it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 31, 2017 12:03:38 GMT -5
Well, if Devers is penciled in at 3rd, how is his defense? I haven't heard good things about it. He was the organization's defensive player of the year last year. (That's not to say that he's the best defender in the organization - it was probably awarded based on more of a "you're a prospect, an above-average defender, and have worked very hard to get there so we're going to reward that" perspective.) From the same email sitting in my inbox (I really need to get these up tonight, don't I...): Field: Has soft hands and his footwork is surprisingly good given his build. Comfortable charging the ball and making smooth transfers to his throwing hand on the run. Agile for his size and has average range. Projects as at least an average defender at third base. Should be able to stick at the position long-term unless his body gets away from him as he matures.
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Post by costpet on May 31, 2017 12:07:27 GMT -5
A historical note: In 1958 Don Buddin led the league in errors with 31. In 1959 he led the league again with 35. As I remember, his timing was usually perfect. He only committed them when the game was on the line. But, he was from SC, so Yawkey loved him. After he retired, he never came back to Boston. Yawkey not only didn't like blacks, he didn't like Northerners, either. He never liked Malzone because he was from NY. We could have had Willie Mays! Still upsets me.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 5, 2017 10:57:27 GMT -5
Maybe not the right place for this but- If Michael Chavis keeps hitting as does Devers is it time to think about moving him to second base? As a former ss he likely has the agility and the hands so perhaps a late 2018 cup of coffee with the idea of him eventually replacing Pedroia is not out of the question. Yes he has a long way to go, but he his clearly ready for another challenge offensively and moving him to 2B would allow Devers to stay at 3B if he (Devers) isn't pushed to Pawtucket. The issue is would it be considered too much to bump Chavis up a level and incorporate a position change at the same time, something that the Sox have seemed reluctant to do in the past?
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Post by jmei on Jun 5, 2017 11:20:12 GMT -5
Maybe not the right place for this but- If Michael Chavis keeps hitting as does Devers is it time to think about moving him to second base? As a former ss he likely has the agility and the hands so perhaps a late 2018 cup of coffee with the idea of him eventually replacing Pedroia is not out of the question. Yes he has a long way to go, but he his clearly ready for another challenge offensively and moving him to 2B would allow Devers to stay at 3B if he (Devers) isn't pushed to Pawtucket. The issue is would it be considered too much to bump Chavis up a level and incorporate a position change at the same time, something that the Sox have seemed reluctant to do in the past? Not sure a move to 2B really makes much sense. As I understand it, Chavis' defensive strong suit is his arm, and his weaknesses are his footwork and his hands (see, e.g., this scouting scratch). He was a SS in high school, but everyone knew he wasn't athletic or fluid enough to play there at higher levels-- he's kind of a stocky guy who doesn't move that well. I suspect they'll keep him at 3B for the rest of the year and if they need to consider a position change in the future, I'd guess corner outfield over 2B.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 5, 2017 11:53:47 GMT -5
Thanks for that link, but it seems like things have certainly changed offensively for Chavis from last July, not to mention that Moncada is gone. Would like to see an updated report on him regarding his D though it does sound a bit unlikely he is a MLB caliber 2B it might be worth a look (long shot though it be) because the reward could be quite large.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 5, 2017 12:03:39 GMT -5
Maybe not the right place for this but- If Michael Chavis keeps hitting as does Devers is it time to think about moving him to second base? As a former ss he likely has the agility and the hands so perhaps a late 2018 cup of coffee with the idea of him eventually replacing Pedroia is not out of the question. Yes he has a long way to go, but he his clearly ready for another challenge offensively and moving him to 2B would allow Devers to stay at 3B if he (Devers) isn't pushed to Pawtucket. The issue is would it be considered too much to bump Chavis up a level and incorporate a position change at the same time, something that the Sox have seemed reluctant to do in the past? Not sure a move to 2B really makes much sense. As I understand it, Chavis' defensive strong suit is his arm, and his weaknesses are his footwork and his hands (see, e.g., this scouting scratch). He was a SS in high school, but everyone knew he wasn't athletic or fluid enough to play there at higher levels-- he's kind of a stocky guy who doesn't move that well. I suspect they'll keep him at 3B for the rest of the year and if they need to consider a position change in the future, I'd guess corner outfield over 2B. It also is my opinion he could be an adequate corner outfielder. He sure hasn't taken to 3rd base so far. I know he has a strong arm, but the 2nd base idea is not a bad idea. If you have ever played 3rd, the ball comes at you a lot faster than to a middle infielder. Maybe he could be a serviceable 2nd basemen. The way Fenway plays, I really can't see him in right (even if he has a good arm). I'm sure we will all be somewhat surprised if Devers is not our 3rd basemen in a year or two. If Chavis's bat is for real, 2nd and LF could be his ticket.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 5, 2017 12:15:06 GMT -5
Not sure a move to 2B really makes much sense. As I understand it, Chavis' defensive strong suit is his arm, and his weaknesses are his footwork and his hands (see, e.g., this scouting scratch). He was a SS in high school, but everyone knew he wasn't athletic or fluid enough to play there at higher levels-- he's kind of a stocky guy who doesn't move that well. I suspect they'll keep him at 3B for the rest of the year and if they need to consider a position change in the future, I'd guess corner outfield over 2B. It also is my opinion he could be an adequate corner outfielder. He sure hasn't taken to 3rd base so far. I know he has a strong arm, but the 2nd base idea is not a bad idea. If you have ever played 3rd, the ball comes at you a lot faster than to a middle infielder. Maybe he could be a serviceable 2nd basemen. The way Fenway plays, I really can't see him in right (even if he has a good arm). I'm sure we will all be somewhat surprised if Devers is not our 3rd basemen in a year or two. If Chavis's bat is for real, 2nd and LF could be his ticket. Just because the ball comes faster at 3rd doesn't mean that it's easier to have adequate range at 2B. 2B needs the range of a SS without the arm. Also, 2B need to be able to turn DPs, which is a skill that would be difficult for someone who is not athletic.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 5, 2017 13:17:11 GMT -5
I keep him at third, until he's healthy and shows he can't play it when healthy. Most likely that won't happen till next year. Thing is where do you get he's not athletic? This site calls him a solid athlete, that's not even close to not athletic.
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Post by pedroiaesque on Jun 5, 2017 19:35:47 GMT -5
I don't normally tend to be this pessimistic, but all I keep thinking is that Chavis is doing a great job playing himself into being one of the next trade chips for DD (probably for a reliever or bench bat).
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 7, 2017 11:25:29 GMT -5
It also is my opinion he could be an adequate corner outfielder. He sure hasn't taken to 3rd base so far. I know he has a strong arm, but the 2nd base idea is not a bad idea. If you have ever played 3rd, the ball comes at you a lot faster than to a middle infielder. Maybe he could be a serviceable 2nd basemen. The way Fenway plays, I really can't see him in right (even if he has a good arm). I'm sure we will all be somewhat surprised if Devers is not our 3rd basemen in a year or two. If Chavis's bat is for real, 2nd and LF could be his ticket. Just because the ball comes faster at 3rd doesn't mean that it's easier to have adequate range at 2B. 2B needs the range of a SS without the arm. Also, 2B need to be able to turn DPs, which is a skill that would be difficult for someone who is not athletic. I've seen him several times, and he is pretty athletic. My comment is that some folks feel more comfortable in the middle infield. I know I did when I played. I HOPE 3rd is covered, and as much as I love Peddy...he probably has, at best, 3 to 4 quality years. Chavis has played the middle infield before. He may be more comfortable there. I would think defense will not be Chavis's calling card. His bat will get him to the big leagues. If can play an adequate 2nd or corner outfield, that may be the best for him to reach his potential.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 7, 2017 12:18:05 GMT -5
Just because the ball comes faster at 3rd doesn't mean that it's easier to have adequate range at 2B. 2B needs the range of a SS without the arm. Also, 2B need to be able to turn DPs, which is a skill that would be difficult for someone who is not athletic. I've seen him several times, and he is pretty athletic. My comment is that some folks feel more comfortable in the middle infield. I know I did when I played. I HOPE 3rd is covered, and as much as I love Peddy...he probably has, at best, 3 to 4 quality years. Chavis has played the middle infield before. He may be more comfortable there. I would think defense will not be Chavis's calling card. His bat will get him to the big leagues. If can play an adequate 2nd or corner outfield, that may be the best for him to reach his potential. Sad to say, 3-4 more quality years from Pedey is probably being optimistic. I'm hoping for 1-2 more years as a 780 ops 2nd baseman. Then I think the bottom drops out.
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