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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 1, 2017 7:30:07 GMT -5
With Allen Craig bought out of his contract, there's now room on the PawSox roster for Pablo. 😐
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Post by bnich on Jul 1, 2017 8:24:24 GMT -5
With Allen Craig bought out of his contract, there's now room on the PawSox roster for Pablo. 😐 I was thinking of room for Devers. But I like this option just as much.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 1, 2017 19:08:08 GMT -5
I think Pablo is at his last roundup. Over the next 2 to 3 weeks he HAS to show something. I go with what I thought in May, cut him and move on to someone, anyone else. At least let Devin play and get some D at the position.
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Post by soxjim on Jul 3, 2017 0:11:45 GMT -5
I hope they keep Pablo where he belongs. In AAA. His defense is awful. His hitting is terrible. Holt is hopefully coming soon? Hopefully Peralta or even Lin/Marrero -- better. Pablo is an awful baseball player right now on both offense and defense. I wouldn't trust anything good from him. At least you get defense from Marrero and Lin.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2017 6:33:09 GMT -5
I hope they keep Pablo where he belongs. In AAA. His defense is awful. His hitting is terrible. Holt is hopefully coming soon? Hopefully Peralta or even Lin/Marrero -- better. Pablo is an awful baseball player right now on both offense and defense. I wouldn't trust anything good from him. At least you get defense from Marrero and Lin. I agree, but they can't keep him there if he refuses. We're pretty close to the point where he has to be released unless they come up with yet another bogus reason to keep him on the DL.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 3, 2017 6:59:27 GMT -5
Who would have thought that we would be in this position with Pablo when we signed him 3 years ago? Did not say he was worth the money and the length of contract they signed him for. But, I thought he would be at least major league average.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 3, 2017 14:49:24 GMT -5
Who would have thought that we would be in this position with Pablo when we signed him 3 years ago? Did not say he was worth the money and the length of contract they signed him for. But, I thought he would be at least major league average. An average starting 3b who had regressed from his peak and struggled with weight and eating issues; entering his 30s halfway through the contract. Can't figure out where it went wrong.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 4, 2017 9:38:01 GMT -5
Wasn't San Diego trying to sign Pablo when the Red Sox were?
Is there any chance the Padres might take him if the Red Sox paid all but a million dollars a year or so of his contract?
At this point it would certainly be addition by subtraction for the Red Sox and any amount of his salary that the Sox could convince another team to take would be great.
I think the Red Sox pitchers will revolt if the Sox try to bring him to Boston to play thridbase again.
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Post by prangerx on Jul 4, 2017 21:45:23 GMT -5
I think we end up cutting him and eating the rest of his deal. Luckily his deal expires by the time its time to deal with Bogarts, Betts, Sale, Porcello, and Bradley.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 4, 2017 23:35:27 GMT -5
It would be nice if Dave could package sandavol and abad to some unsuspecting team for a bag of used baseballs.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 5, 2017 7:16:12 GMT -5
It would be nice if Dave could package sandavol and abad to some unsuspecting team for a bag of used baseballs. I just got this visual of trying to negotiate with a baseball executive who was just totally unsuspecting regarding Sandoval. Like "Oh... Pablo Sandoval, you say? Hm, I'm unfamiliar with his work. But we could use a third baseman and his contract indicates that he is one of a stellar quality. This seems like a good investment for me and my franchise to make."
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Post by braziliansox on Jul 5, 2017 11:47:25 GMT -5
It would be nice if Dave could package sandavol and abad to some unsuspecting team for a bag of used baseballs. I just got this visual of trying to negotiate with a baseball executive who was just totally unsuspecting regarding Sandoval. Like "Oh... Pablo Sandoval, you say? Hm, I'm unfamiliar with his work. But we could use a third baseman and his contract indicates that he is one of a stellar quality. This seems like a good investment for me and my franchise to make." If only Billy King were in Baseball...
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Post by jchang on Jul 5, 2017 12:17:37 GMT -5
If Pablo + cash amounting to most of his remaining salary were traded to another team, that would free up the cap space he is eating for us? which would have value in its own right. Then we might need to package Pablo, cash and a couple of rule 5 candidates, getting nothing of value in return?
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Post by Canseco on Jul 5, 2017 12:28:40 GMT -5
I would hope Dombrowski unloads El Gordo--be it a DFA, trade, or outright release--before he ever sniffs our big league roster again. Lin and Marrero are capable of filling in until management feels more comfortable about a Devers call-up. The sooner we are rid of El Gordo, the better, as it would be ideal for Devers to get 100-150 plate appearances with the PawSox before coming up to the big club. Plus, that would open up more time for Chavis at 3B in Portland.
If a gun was to my head, though, I'd guess it will be a straight up release.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 5, 2017 12:40:39 GMT -5
I would hope Dombrowski unloads El Gordo--be it a DFA, trade, or outright release--before he ever sniffs our big league roster again. Lin and Marrero are capable of filling in until management feels more comfortable about a Devers call-up. The sooner we are rid of El Gordo, the better, as it would be ideal for Devers to get 100-150 plate appearances with the PawSox before coming up to the big club. Plus, that would open up more time for Chavis at 3B in Portland. If a gun was to my head, though, I'd guess it will be a straight up release. Agreed. Even if we paid every cent of his remaining contract, there's not a team that would (or should) even waste a roster spot on him. Not much demand for a 3B that can't hit, field, or run. I smell a release. It's a shame because he showed some flashes in spring training. I wonder if any other team has had a trifecta of Craig/Castillo/Pablo of HUGE contract failures. That's over $200 mil of almost zero production.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 5, 2017 13:13:14 GMT -5
I would hope Dombrowski unloads El Gordo--be it a DFA, trade, or outright release--before he ever sniffs our big league roster again. Lin and Marrero are capable of filling in until management feels more comfortable about a Devers call-up. The sooner we are rid of El Gordo, the better, as it would be ideal for Devers to get 100-150 plate appearances with the PawSox before coming up to the big club. Plus, that would open up more time for Chavis at 3B in Portland. If a gun was to my head, though, I'd guess it will be a straight up release. Agreed. Even if we paid every cent of his remaining contract, there's not a team that would (or should) even waste a roster spot on him. Not much demand for a 3B that can't hit, field, or run. I smell a release. It's a shame because he showed some flashes in spring training. I wonder if any other team has had a trifecta of Craig/Castillo/Pablo of HUGE contract failures. That's over $200 mil of almost zero production. The yanks have had their share of these types. Arod this year and last, @25 mil per. Tex last yr and the year before. CC has not really been worth the 25 per that he has made the last 3 years. Ellsbury has one good year in the 1st 3 yrs of his contract so far and still has 4 more years, in the 20's. I think they have 2 more years of some dead money on McCann's contract, who now is in Houston. But, I hear you. I am not so sure we do not have another one in price.
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Post by jmei on Jul 5, 2017 14:36:24 GMT -5
If Pablo + cash amounting to most of his remaining salary were traded to another team, that would free up the cap space he is eating for us? which would have value in its own right. Then we might need to package Pablo, cash and a couple of rule 5 candidates, getting nothing of value in return? When you send cash to another team as part of a trade, that cash counts against your luxury tax threshold, so it would not open up any more space.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2017 14:56:58 GMT -5
Pablo has given the Red Sox a whopping -2.6 fWAR total for $95 million. Lin has 0.5 fWAR in 10 games.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 5, 2017 19:21:12 GMT -5
Pablo was an impulse buy, just like I bought some 30 inch slacks a few years ago because I thought they'd fit me... Go with youth (lower $$$ and control). Third base has been a black hole, so it's not like you're gonna get any worse. My only issue is in bringing Devers up too soon and he feels overwhelmed. He'll end up fine, but maybe give him some AAA at bats to get adjusted to an even higher level of competition.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2017 12:08:18 GMT -5
Pablo has given the Red Sox a whopping -2.6 fWAR total for $95 million. Lin has 0.5 fWAR in 10 games. Well, technically for something like $45.5M ($3M signing bonus + 2.5 years of salary). And technically the deal will be for $100M when they pay the $5M buyout instead of picking up his option. Anyway, I only point out the former because that's actually what they've paid, which somehow, to me at least, makes it even worse.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 6, 2017 12:16:01 GMT -5
I'd give him the Craig treatment, outright him to AAA and let him earn his salary there. Not much point in saving $1M in a trade or releasing him.
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Post by manfred on Jul 6, 2017 12:23:26 GMT -5
Pablo was an impulse buy, just like I bought some 30 inch slacks a few years ago because I thought they'd fit me... Go with youth (lower $$$ and control). Third base has been a black hole, so it's not like you're gonna get any worse. My only issue is in bringing Devers up too soon and he feels overwhelmed. He'll end up fine, but maybe give him some AAA at bats to get adjusted to an even higher level of competition. Yes, this was a bad responses to a bad season: 3B wasa problem, so spend huge on the best FA 3B. Unfortunately the best FA 3B was not that good. Even at his best, Pablo was an over-pay. Sometimes it is best to accept a hole and wait a year for another FA class. Hanley has come on, had a good year last year, and generally I like him. But he, too, was initially a brutal miscalculation -- signed as a LF. That off-season "fix" to the left side has been a bit of an anchor.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2017 14:24:52 GMT -5
I'd give him the Craig treatment, outright him to AAA and let him earn his salary there. Not much point in saving $1M in a trade or releasing him. As has been noted elsewhere I believe, Sandoval can't be outrighted without his permission because of his service time.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2017 16:00:39 GMT -5
Pablo has given the Red Sox a whopping -2.6 fWAR total for $95 million. Lin has 0.5 fWAR in 10 games. Well, technically for something like $45.5M ($3M signing bonus + 2.5 years of salary). And technically the deal will be for $100M when they pay the $5M buyout instead of picking up his option. Anyway, I only point out the former because that's actually what they've paid, which somehow, to me at least, makes it even worse. Yeah, I was pretty much going by the fact that it will be close to impossible to get any team to pay any amount of that contract. Totally a sunk cost at this point. Maybe the worst contract ever, including Vernon Wells.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 6, 2017 18:23:18 GMT -5
Pablo has given the Red Sox a whopping -2.6 fWAR total for $95 million. Lin has 0.5 fWAR in 10 games. Hanley has giving them 0.8 fWAR at 88 millions. What a bunch of horrible signing BC gave.
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