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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2017 14:49:06 GMT -5
2 innings 1 run 1h 5k 0 walks... what a bum
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Post by Coreno on Apr 20, 2017 14:53:58 GMT -5
meltdown like he walked 4 dudes in a row,Both pitches were fat. Obviously he's thinking 'no walk here'. Not really sure what you're talking about. He started him off with a curve right at the bottom of the zone and didn't get the call, then threw a 97MPH fastball on the outside edge. It probably caught a bit too much of the plate, but it was mostly just good hitting by Morales.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 20, 2017 14:55:16 GMT -5
2 innings 1 run 1h 5k 0 walks... what a bum That's a 4.50 ERA, he blows!!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 20, 2017 14:55:20 GMT -5
Yes Kimbrel needs to close that game - but Farrell needs to let his Ace finish it. I think that is physically impossible.
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Post by ajs1994 on Apr 20, 2017 14:55:43 GMT -5
Good win, Sale was fantastic, and the offense just did enough to come away with the W.
And Kimbrel was good. I was pretty critical of him last year when he really struggled to find the strike zone, but he's looked much better thus far this year, much more like the guy the Sox thought they were getting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 14:56:50 GMT -5
Right. Kimbrel was dominant except for one pitch. With as hard as he throws, it doesn't take much for somebody to run into one. Kimbrel looked great to me. I'll take the occasional homer over a hit and two walks every time out.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 20, 2017 15:00:43 GMT -5
Chris Sale struck out 13 in eight shutout innings, and your takes are that the announcers shouldn't acknowledge that he's pitching well and that the team deserves to lose. You trolling or just miserable? Miserable, How can you not be with these terrible AB's this entire series! And I hate NESN with a passion. Chris Sale has been good for 1 or 2 runs his entire career, so im not surprised. I expect the Boston Red Sox to have a great pitcher on their team. Bad news. The Red Sox didn't get what they deserved. Glad Chris Sale is equaling your reasonable expectations for how the best pitcher on the Red Sox should pitch, though.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 20, 2017 15:06:23 GMT -5
Yes Kimbrel needs to close that game - but Farrell needs to let his Ace finish it. I think that is physically impossible.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2017 15:21:15 GMT -5
I think that is physically impossible. That's not what I was saying. Kimbrel never should have been in the game. Sale should have been out for the 9th
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 20, 2017 15:52:55 GMT -5
Dave Obrien is such a loser! " Chris Sale only four hits allowed". THE RED SOX ONLY HAVE THREE!!!!!! That's absurd. Those are your rules, no one else's. You're making this stuff up as you go along.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 20, 2017 15:54:22 GMT -5
Chris Sale was so excited to come here and these guys have to let him down like this? News flash: it's not about him, it's about the team. He did his job, locked down the opposition in a very low scoring game. I'll bet the last thing he's interested in is the win.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 20, 2017 15:58:01 GMT -5
So unfortunate for Sale and the team. Usually, folks are bitching about Kimbrel, and usually it is because of him not commanding pitches. Here it was one pitch, in a one run game..blown save Not making excuses, he has to close those out for the narrative to change. What narrative? He closed out 25 in a row before the blown save. Do you honestly expect him to vanquish the god of regression forever? I checked and they won the game and the series. That's not easy to tell from some of this chatter.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2017 16:01:17 GMT -5
So unfortunate for Sale and the team. Usually, folks are bitching about Kimbrel, and usually it is because of him not commanding pitches. Here it was one pitch, in a one run game..blown save Not making excuses, he has to close those out for the narrative to change. What narrative? He closed out 25 in a row before the blown save. Do you honestly expect him to vanquish the god of regression forever? I checked and they won the game and the series. That's not easy to tell from some of this chatter. Then he locked it down and go the win. Apparently, a solo home run makes you a lousy pitcher these days.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 20, 2017 16:47:54 GMT -5
So unfortunate for Sale and the team. Usually, folks are bitching about Kimbrel, and usually it is because of him not commanding pitches. Here it was one pitch, in a one run game..blown save Not making excuses, he has to close those out for the narrative to change. What narrative? He closed out 25 in a row before the blown save. Do you honestly expect him to vanquish the god of regression forever? I checked and they won the game and the series. That's not easy to tell from some of this chatter. Oregon..II agree..I have been one of Kimbrel's biggest backers on this site...I was speaking from the viewpoint of others.
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Post by patford on Apr 20, 2017 17:07:19 GMT -5
Kimbrel had me so tied up in knots at the end of last year I blew off the last week of the season and didn't even look at the Cleveland series. I just felt the Sox had zero chance to win with the way he was pitching. It was his complete lack of control which I couldn't take. This year has been a pleasant surprise. And I'm glad he was given the second inning. No walks is the key. And nice to see him not go to pieces after the HR.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2017 18:39:44 GMT -5
I can confidently say Kimbrel wasn't why they lost the Cleveland series
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 20, 2017 20:27:14 GMT -5
Brilliant Pedroesque pitching by Chris Sale this season. It's a shame the Red Sox don't score runs for him and/or the pen blew his victory.
It reminds of the ridiculousness of Pedro's 18-6 record in 2000 when his ERA was 1.74 at a hitter's ballpark in a DH league where the average ERA exceeded 5. How in the world didn't he go 27-0 or something like that I'll never know.
It's very annoying that Kimbrel blew the save but I much prefer to see him do what he did today than watching him walk a tight rope the way he normally does. I can do without Cardiac Kimbrel. But today at least he attacked the strike zone. When Koji, the gold standard as far as I'm concerned, blew a save it was most likely going to be a solo homer that got him.
Irrationally I'm still annoyed at Kimbrel (and Joe Kelly as well, although not as much as it was just Joe Kelly being Joe Kelly) for spoiling what should have been a raucous celebration at Yankee Stadium last year, which for me, would have triggered memories of a much more meaningful celebration at a different Yankee Stadium.
Honestly, I would have stuck with Chris Sale for the 9th as his pitch count was reasonable and they could always pull him out at the first sign of trouble.
I think it's concerning that Farrell doesn't want to bring Kimbrel out for a "dirty" inning. That tells me he doesn't trust Kimbrel to come in with 2 outs in the 8th to snuff a rally, which is how they lost a game against Detroit a week ago or so. At some point Kimbrel will need to come in and snuff out a rally and if Farrell can't trust him to do that....not good.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2017 20:40:42 GMT -5
I fail to see the reasoning for sending Kimbrel out for the 10th. He already vultured a win. Let someone else get the all important save stat. So in the beginning of April, it's not okay for a 4 out save against Detroit but in the middle of April it's okay for a 6 out appearance against the Jays? I mean if John wants to be fair about things and only limit him to one inning stints in season early on, then at least be consistent about it. So dumb, honestly.
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Post by soxjim on Apr 20, 2017 21:28:32 GMT -5
It is probable that our guys won't be scoring as many runs this year, but equally probable our guys won't be giving up as much either. If Price can come back to being a # 1/1A type pitcher, you have to like this years teams chances more than last years, all other things being equal (Farrell bullpen mgt, injuries....etc..etc) We've been excellent this year in oen run games. I think last year we were awful. Looking forward to Price coming back and hopefuly bullpen will get better with dl guys coming back.
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Post by soxjim on Apr 20, 2017 21:35:46 GMT -5
Chris Sale struck out 13 in eight shutout innings, and your takes are that the announcers shouldn't acknowledge that he's pitching well and that the team deserves to lose. You trolling or just miserable? Miserable, How can you not be with these terrible AB's this entire series! And I hate NESN with a passion. Chris Sale has been good for 1 or 2 runs his entire career, so im not surprised. I expect the Boston Red Sox to have a great pitcher on their team. All your posts-- you're entire outlook.
You've got to be kidding??
We're having a fine year so far and Sale has been amazing yet you feel like you should be the one to dictate when a sportscaster can praise a super great pitcher and you are so "miserable" after we're 10-6?
Man-- how were you when the sox were in last place?
No offense to you my fellow Red Sox friend, but man you are just miserable. When did baseball get so awful to watch for you even though your team right now is 10-6-- which would mean 101 wins (I'm in now way saying they will win 101)?
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Post by soxjim on Apr 20, 2017 21:44:45 GMT -5
Brilliant Pedroesque pitching by Chris Sale this season. It's a shame the Red Sox don't score runs for him and/or the pen blew his victory. It reminds of the ridiculousness of Pedro's 18-6 record in 2000 when his ERA was 1.74 at a hitter's ballpark in a DH league where the average ERA exceeded 5. How in the world didn't he go 27-0 or something like that I'll never know. It's very annoying that Kimbrel blew the save but I much prefer to see him do what he did today than watching him walk a tight rope the way he normally does. I can do without Cardiac Kimbrel. But today at least he attacked the strike zone. When Koji, the gold standard as far as I'm concerned, blew a save it was most likely going to be a solo homer that got him. Irrationally I'm still annoyed at Kimbrel (and Joe Kelly as well, although not as much as it was just Joe Kelly being Joe Kelly) for spoiling what should have been a raucous celebration at Yankee Stadium last year, which for me, would have triggered memories of a much more meaningful celebration at a different Yankee Stadium. Honestly, I would have stuck with Chris Sale for the 9th as his pitch count was reasonable and they could always pull him out at the first sign of trouble. I think it's concerning that Farrell doesn't want to bring Kimbrel out for a "dirty" inning. That tells me he doesn't trust Kimbrel to come in with 2 outs in the 8th to snuff a rally, which is how they lost a game against Detroit a week ago or so. At some point Kimbrel will need to come in and snuff out a rally and if Farrell can't trust him to do that....not good.We can agree to disagree. I think you are reading too deep into Farrell bringing in Kimbrel for a clean vs not and calling it "not good." . Kimbrel was also amazing lately. I Don't which move "was best." We're up 1-0 in the 9th-- we should win. Give your team "the optimal best chance."
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 21, 2017 1:41:58 GMT -5
Miserable, How can you not be with these terrible AB's this entire series! And I hate NESN with a passion. Chris Sale has been good for 1 or 2 runs his entire career, so im not surprised. I expect the Boston Red Sox to have a great pitcher on their team. All your posts-- you're entire outlook.
You've got to be kidding??
We're having a fine year so far and Sale has been amazing yet you feel like you should be the one to dictate when a sportscaster can praise a super great pitcher and you are so "miserable" after we're 10-6?
Man-- how were you when the sox were in last place?
No offense to you my fellow Red Sox friend, but man you are just miserable. When did baseball get so awful to watch for you even though your team right now is 10-6-- which would mean 101 wins (I'm in now way saying they will win 101)?
I want to see how they look after this homestand when they will have played some good teams!
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2017 7:31:41 GMT -5
All your posts-- you're entire outlook.
You've got to be kidding??
We're having a fine year so far and Sale has been amazing yet you feel like you should be the one to dictate when a sportscaster can praise a super great pitcher and you are so "miserable" after we're 10-6?
Man-- how were you when the sox were in last place?
No offense to you my fellow Red Sox friend, but man you are just miserable. When did baseball get so awful to watch for you even though your team right now is 10-6-- which would mean 101 wins (I'm in now way saying they will win 101)?
I want to see how they look after this homestand when they will have played some good teams! They haven't even been healthy or had their full team. Between injuries and paternity leaves to bereavements it's actually been a bumpy road personnel wise and they are still 10-6. How great this team is might not be known until we find out if Price, Thornburg and Smith can return.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2017 7:45:01 GMT -5
I fail to see the reasoning for sending Kimbrel out for the 10th. He already vultured a win. Let someone else get the all important save stat. So in the beginning of April, it's not okay for a 4 out save against Detroit but in the middle of April it's okay for a 6 out appearance against the Jays? I mean if John wants to be fair about things and only limit him to one inning stints in season early on, then at least be consistent about it. So dumb, honestly. The game you are referring to was April 9 when Hembree came in for Sale in the 8th. Kimbrel had thrown 25 pitches the night before and struggled with his command (or at least the box score says so - maybe ump wasn't great). Yesterday, Kimbrel was very efficient with just 30 pitches for 6 outs and he hadn't pitched the 2 previous days. Huge difference. Speaking of - Kimbrel has been excellent this entire week. On Monday he only threw 15 pitches Sunday he threw 10 Saturday he threw 13 So he's thrown in 4 of the last 6 days for a total of 5 innings and has thrown 68 pitches to get 15 outs. That's basically 4.5 pitches a batter. He looks completely healthy this year so far and is dominating like the guy in Atlanta. Edit: changed date from 4/10 to 4/9 for accuracy Add: Last 4 games (6 days) 5 innings 1 ER 1 H 0 BB 12 Ks 68 pitches
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 21, 2017 8:01:23 GMT -5
Deciding between keeping Sale in or bringing in Kimbrel would've given me agita if I was playing OOTP or Strat-o-Matic or whatever. Never mind in real life. I give Farrell a lot of grief, but it's really nice to be the second-guesser sometimes.
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