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Post by grandsalami on May 10, 2017 23:44:44 GMT -5
Christopher SmithVerified account @smittyonmlb 9m9 minutes ago
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Red Sox option Kyle Kendrick to Pawtucket. Robbie Ross Jr. will be recalled and is expected to be available for Thursda
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 11, 2017 1:21:15 GMT -5
How does Kendrick still have options??
Either way, I was hoping this would happen in the gameday thread and I'm just glad it did happen. Bye bye Kendrick the terrible.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 11, 2017 3:44:48 GMT -5
The Sox will need one more start from a spot starter if all goes to plan with Price's rehab starts. The rehab stint will probably go to Brian Johnson on May 20th. After that the Sox will need a 5th starter by May 30th. That's when Price is set to come off the DL.
I'm guessing that Ben Taylor will be here until Brian Johnson is recalled then maybe Workman will be recalled after the spot start from Johnson until Price is here. That's one way to mitigate having no long man in your bullpen.
Edit-They could pitch Price on 5 days rest like he is comfortable doing and push every starter back a day. That would date him to start his debut on May 29th.
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Post by mattpicard on May 11, 2017 7:09:51 GMT -5
How does Kendrick still have options?? Either way, I was hoping this would happen in the gameday thread and I'm just glad it did happen. Bye bye Kendrick the terrible. His options were used in 2009 and 2010 -- he stuck in the majors his first two seasons (07-08). Funny to see how many seasons the guy made it as a full time starting pitcher. |
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Post by James Dunne on May 11, 2017 7:41:17 GMT -5
Doesn't look like he used an option in 2010 either. He has well over five years of service time though, so he must have accepted the option.
Anyway. I like Brian Bannister and the way he discusses the game. He's very articulate and takes a scientific view of pitching, which I think is valuable and I also just enjoy reading about as a fan. But can we all agree after the Kendrick and O'Sullivan experiments that Rich Hill's revival had everything to do with Hill himself (who had always been good, just often hurt) and that Bannister doesn't have magic veteran-pitcher fixing abilities. We should all collectively groan in Spring Training 2018 when whatever Triple-A veteran is signed to a minor league contract and we get breathless reports about how he's a new pitcher after working with Bannister.
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Post by mattpicard on May 11, 2017 7:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 11, 2017 7:48:33 GMT -5
Yep, he was down for less than the 20 days needed to burn the option.
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Post by jimed14 on May 11, 2017 7:54:36 GMT -5
Surprising that this hasn't come out before now. I feel like we wasted a lot of time talking as if he had to be DFA'd to be sent back down.
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Post by James Dunne on May 11, 2017 7:57:58 GMT -5
Surprising that this hasn't come out before now. I feel like we wasted a lot of time talking as if he had to be DFA'd to be sent back down. Yeah some little roster quirk that was missed like this happens at least once a year. Chris, Ian, and Matt lost half a podcast last August because we all thought Luis Alexander Basabe was Rule 5 eligible. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 11, 2017 8:59:48 GMT -5
How, at this point, is there not a website that keeps track of option years remaining? We do it for Sox guys, but really, B-Ref or someone can't do that?
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Post by jimed14 on May 11, 2017 9:51:02 GMT -5
How, at this point, is there not a website that keeps track of option years remaining? We do it for Sox guys, but really, B-Ref or someone can't do that? Maybe even MLB, who obviously has the correct information. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 11, 2017 10:09:13 GMT -5
How, at this point, is there not a website that keeps track of option years remaining? We do it for Sox guys, but really, B-Ref or someone can't do that? Maybe even MLB, who obviously has the correct information. I mean, option years are very easy to track contemporaneously, so having correct information isn't a big deal in real time. It's when you have to go back and try to figure it out for a player post hoc when it becomes somewhat challenging. |
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Post by patford on May 11, 2017 10:55:18 GMT -5
The odd thing about Kendrick is he wasn't even effective in Pawtucket. And he wasn't effective in Spring Training once he started seeing better lineups.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 11, 2017 11:04:23 GMT -5
... I mean, option years are very easy to track contemporaneously, so having correct information isn't a big deal in real time. It's when you have to go back and try to figure it out for a player post hoc when it becomes somewhat challenging.Exactly. What MLB (or some outfit) needs to do is to build a date-time based record for every player of all call-ups and of time-in-service information stretching back into their minor league careers. That's would then form the basis for precise queries about options. That's not a minor task but it's doable with a solid relational database on the back end and a good design. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 11, 2017 14:07:28 GMT -5
I figured MLB would already have all of it since they have to police the league.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 12, 2017 0:05:16 GMT -5
Doesn't look like he used an option in 2010 either. He has well over five years of service time though, so he must have accepted the option. Anyway. I like Brian Bannister and the way he discusses the game. He's very articulate and takes a scientific view of pitching, which I think is valuable and I also just enjoy reading about as a fan. But can we all agree after the Kendrick and O'Sullivan experiments that Rich Hill's revival had everything to do with Hill himself (who had always been good, just often hurt) and that Bannister doesn't have magic veteran-pitcher fixing abilities. We should all collectively groan in Spring Training 2018 when whatever Triple-A veteran is signed to a minor league contract and we get breathless reports about how he's a new pitcher after working with Bannister. Exactly. You're 100% correct. I actually was dumb enough to think that Kendrick could give the Sox some slightly better than replacement level pitching with Bannister's help and that spring training showed some of that improvement. When will I ever learn?! At this point Johnson is the only real viable option although Velazquez could help at some point. I think Elias and Owens are lost causes. We always like to think that some guy has all the answers to what ails us. Bannister doesn't have magic veteran pitching fixing abilities. The short-lived Carlos Marmol experiment should have been heeded. |
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Post by James Dunne on May 12, 2017 7:39:07 GMT -5
I don't really understand why you and so many other people are so down on Elias. He was decent in the majors with Seattle in 2014 and 2015, and pretty good with Pawtucket after a terrible start On May 15 last year he had a 5.76 ERA, 2.20 WHIP, and a 1.05 K:BB. From there on, he it was 3.06, 1.17, 2.45. He was bad with the Red Sox, but that was 7 2/3 innings. I think he's reasonable as an injury replacement, at least.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 12, 2017 7:57:10 GMT -5
I don't really understand why you and so many other people are so down on Elias. He was decent in the majors with Seattle in 2014 and 2015, and pretty good with Pawtucket after a terrible start On May 15 last year he had a 5.76 ERA, 2.20 WHIP, and a 1.05 K:BB. From there on, he it was 3.06, 1.17, 2.45. He was bad with the Red Sox, but that was 7 2/3 innings. I think he's reasonable as an injury replacement, at least. I know he wasn't awful with Seattle although I think Seattle has a better ballpark for pitching in than Fenway. When the Sox got him I thought the Sox were getting at least a reliable #5 starter/bullpen lefty. Instead he has done absolutely nothing for the Red Sox. So I'm at the point he has to prove it before I actually think the Red Sox are getting anything remotely useful out of him. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 15, 2017 11:19:33 GMT -5
I don't really understand why you and so many other people are so down on Elias. He was decent in the majors with Seattle in 2014 and 2015, and pretty good with Pawtucket after a terrible start On May 15 last year he had a 5.76 ERA, 2.20 WHIP, and a 1.05 K:BB. From there on, he it was 3.06, 1.17, 2.45. He was bad with the Red Sox, but that was 7 2/3 innings. I think he's reasonable as an injury replacement, at least. I know he wasn't awful with Seattle although I think Seattle has a better ballpark for pitching in than Fenway. When the Sox got him I thought the Sox were getting at least a reliable #5 starter/bullpen lefty. Instead he has done absolutely nothing for the Red Sox. So I'm at the point he has to prove it before I actually think the Red Sox are getting anything remotely useful out of him. To be fair he's thrown 7 2/3 innings in the majors for them, which is its own issue to be sure, but not a great sample size. Also, his home/road splits in 2014 and 2015 show no significant difference (if anything he was slightly better on the road). That said, the AL West parks generally are more pitcher friendly, I believe (tell me if I'm wrong though). |
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Post by thursty on May 15, 2017 12:09:51 GMT -5
4 of the AL West ballparks were among the bottom 11 for park factors in 2016 (surprisingly Houston was last)
Only Texas is a hitter's paradise
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