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Ty Buttrey/Portland pitching staff
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 11, 2017 20:58:53 GMT -5
Devers 2/4 (both are doubles) plus one walk. I'll add that the BB and one of the doubles came against lefty relievers. Also Buttrey struck out 4 in 1.1 IP. The tweet is from last week but still relevant.
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Post by jbuttah on May 11, 2017 21:57:24 GMT -5
Beeks and Buttrey dominated. Buttrey hit 100 mph on last two k s and slider and change are plus pitches. So 3 plus pitches. Do the Sox try stretching him out to be a starter? Or push him up to the majors as a reliever, and if he still shows 3 plus pitches, stretch him next year as a starter?
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Post by telluricrook on May 12, 2017 0:46:23 GMT -5
Beeks and Buttrey dominated. Buttrey hit 100 mph on last two k s and slider and change are plus pitches. So 3 plus pitches. Do the Sox try stretching him out to be a starter? Or push him up to the majors as a reliever, and if he still shows 3 plus pitches, stretch him next year as a starter? No, He just became a reliever!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 12, 2017 16:26:01 GMT -5
Beeks and Buttrey dominated. Buttrey hit 100 mph on last two k s and slider and change are plus pitches. Well, let's clarify something. "Flashed plus" is not the same as a pitch being plus every time it's thrown. If he had three plus pitches he'd be one of the best pitchers in MLB. Ian's seen Buttrey twice this season and wrote up both very positively ( news.soxprospects.com/2017/04/scouting-scratch-first-look-at-portland.html , news.soxprospects.com/2017/05/scouting-scratch-wrapping-up-april-in.html). He, like Pasternosto, had the fastball at 95-97 (sebirddog, you're the only person I've ever seen saying he hit 100 - I'm presuming that's from the stadium gun?). He's said the change was above-average for him and he said he didn't see him throw a slider either time. Again, three plus pitches is the arsenal of a top 50 starting pitcher in major league baseball. Buttrey does NOT have three plus pitches.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 16:49:18 GMT -5
Rather than taking a negative stance on what I and many people have seen in person, reported on MilbTV, Stadium Guns / Red Sox guns in both Portland and Reading, why don't you and Ian call any Portland player or coach and settle this. Or better yet, ask any pitching coach in the system, then report back to the blog. I think their evaluation will carry more weight than the both of us.
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Post by jcsox on May 12, 2017 21:53:58 GMT -5
I've got to lean towards siding with sebirddog here. In recent weeks I have personally sat behind the plate where the Portland pitchers, who are off that night, keep stats and the radar gun. I whitnessed them clock Buttrey at 99 and 100. I also read this article below and other articles posting the big right hander hit 100. amp.masslive.com/v1/articles/20656805/boston_red_sox_prospects_rafae_1.ampAlso while listening to the Reading announcer he reported Buttrey hit 100. It seems to me as well as others that Buttrey much like Callahan is improving drastically and starting to turn heads. But maybe I'm wrong...
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 13, 2017 9:28:38 GMT -5
I love three bullpen arms such as Jalen Beeks, Jamie Callahan, and Ty Buttrey. All of them performs well in Portland and scouting reports say that they have stuff to succeed in big league as a bullpen.
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Post by jondrink on May 13, 2017 10:06:44 GMT -5
I love three bullpen arms such as Jalen Beeks, Jamie Callahan, and Ty Buttrey. All of them performs well in Portland and scouting reports say that they have stuff to succeed in big league as a bullpen. . Agree love those 3 really on their games and veils a tick up but good control
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Post by alnipper on May 13, 2017 11:29:05 GMT -5
I love three bullpen arms such as Jalen Beeks, Jamie Callahan, and Ty Buttrey. All of them performs well in Portland and scouting reports say that they have stuff to succeed in big league as a bullpen. . Agree love those 3 really on their games and veils a tick up but good control I don't think any of them have the combination of control plus stuff to be loved. That being said they are having good years finally. Of the three Beeks I like best because he's lefthanded with the best track record.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 13, 2017 13:25:30 GMT -5
. Agree love those 3 really on their games and veils a tick up but good control I don't think any of them have the combination of control plus stuff to be loved. That being said they are having good years finally. Of the three Beeks I like best because he's lefthanded with the best track record. I know it's small sample but you can't ignore their high K% and low BB% in Portland. Especially, Callahan has 42.6% K-rate and zero walk in 13 innings. Also he pitched well in Arizona Fall league and spring training.
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Post by jcsox on May 14, 2017 11:05:32 GMT -5
Came across this also. Boston beat writer Chris Smith posted this on twitter post game. From a conversation he had with Brian Bannister, link below:
"Red Sox's Brian Bannister said to me the other day to watch for Ty Buttrey, who reached 100 mph at Portland. 25 Ks, 15.1 IP. 1.76 ERA."
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Post by jcsox on May 16, 2017 6:16:35 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on May 16, 2017 10:36:34 GMT -5
What's this now about Buttrey hitting 100? That has my attention (though, I've seen Joe Kelly hit 100 and that has meant... not a ton).
Maybe Buttrey and Callahan can give pen a boost in middle innings later in the year. That would be huge if it means no deadline overspend on a reliever.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 16, 2017 10:51:53 GMT -5
Lot of Buttrey and Portland pitching staff talk in a few places, so this needs a thread. Smith put that Bannister quote in an article here: www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/05/ty_buttrey_boston_red_sox_pros.htmlInteresting if he indeed has ramped up to touching 100 (although, to repeat the point I made ad nauseum on Kopech - I don't care if he's touching 100, 105, or 110 as much as I care about the velo band he's sitting at, so I'm more interested to see if that's any different). As I mentioned, on two occasions scouted earlier this year, he wasn't getting there, and it doesn't seem that Pasternosto had him there either. As for what Bannister describes as a "wipeout" changeup, Ian had it as above-average, and you could see someone calling it plus in just a difference of opinion - that's not a huge jump. One more thing: I'd like to point out that we're not "negative" on the guy here. We jumped him from being unranked to 36th in the May rankings, which is not a jump we've done on a guy very often, and the two scouting reports we've written up on him already were very positive. Fake news.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 16, 2017 11:04:07 GMT -5
Daniel Bard's slider was unhittable at the highest level not because it was plus-plus pitch but because hitters focused on his high 90s fastball. Assuming Buttrey's fastball is high 90s, his above-average changeup should look like a wipeout pitch in games.
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Post by ramireja on May 16, 2017 11:34:26 GMT -5
The emergence of Callahan and Buttrey is exciting. Their trajectories through the minors has been eerily similar: They were our only two HS picks in the first 10 rounds of the 2012 draft, they had solid but not elite HS pedigrees, neither experienced much success as starters in our system, both had problems with control, both were moved to the bullpen in the same year (right?), and both seemingly making advances out of the pen at the same time.
As both are generating some excitement, it wouldn't surprise me the least bit if we capitalized on this helium by packaging one of the two in a midseason acquisition.
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Post by chrisfromnc on May 16, 2017 12:27:14 GMT -5
I've always pulled hard for Ty Buttrey. He went to a High School very close to where I live. Same school as David Mailman for those with longish prospect memories.
It is great to see him climbing the ladder and getting some attention. If you read this Ty, keep putting in the hard work, kid!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 16, 2017 12:52:08 GMT -5
Same school as David Mailman for those with longish prospect memories. When Mailman was drafted, I worked in the athletic department at Brown. At a regular meeting of a group of Rhode Island sports media professionals I'd attend at the time, we were nominating players for awards. I mentioned him as someone we should consider... not realizing he was from Providence HS in North Carolina. Yeah, that one was hard to live down.
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Post by ramireja on May 16, 2017 15:36:21 GMT -5
This is starting to feel a lot like the Kopech 105mph fastball rumors, and i hate to contribute to that but.....from Alex Speier today:
"While mention is made of Buttrey hitting 100 miles per hour, that was on a stadium gun that was believed to run 1-2 m.p.h. hot. Still, Buttrey has been pitching in the mid- to upper-90s, with one evaluator having recently seen him at 96-98 with a swing-and-miss changeup and an improving slider."
Regardless, if he's sitting 96-98 with improved secondaries, thats awesome for a guy we'd probably all pretty much given up on.
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Post by quintanariffic on May 16, 2017 19:37:31 GMT -5
Correct - the range he's sitting in is SO much more important than a speed he may have touched 1-2 times on radar guns of any level of accuracy.
What's clear is that his FB velocity is up, his control is improving and his secondaries are starting to develop nicely. That's all you need to know.
The question of 100 mph vs. 98 or whatever is boring and irrelevant.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 4, 2017 14:34:48 GMT -5
Ty Buttrey promoted to Pawtucket according to the Portland twitter feed.
Apologies if it's posted earlier in a different thread.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 4, 2017 20:26:26 GMT -5
I've gotta think that Dombrowski is semi fast-tracking Buttrey with the hopes that he and a returning Smith will bolster the 'pen and abrogate the need to acquire any overpriced relief help. Kelly's been much better as the year's gone on and Boyer's not a bad arm. I was surprised to see him sitting 93-96. The infield is a mess, and nobody's really hitting much (unless you count Bogey, who's hitting for BA but has an ISO struggling to stay over .100), but they've been pretty good as a team. Price (averaging 94, which is nice to see) helps with Rodriguez down. Beeks's promotion sets him up to help on a spot start. Portland still has some intriguing arms, if no real standouts, too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2017 22:13:50 GMT -5
I've gotta think that Dombrowski is semi fast-tracking Buttrey with the hopes that he and a returning Smith will bolster the 'pen and abrogate the need to acquire any overpriced relief help. Kelly's been much better as the year's gone on and Boyer's not a bad arm. I was surprised to see him sitting 93-96. The infield is a mess, and nobody's really hitting much (unless you count Bogey, who's hitting for BA but has an ISO struggling to stay over .100), but they've been pretty good as a team. Price (averaging 94, which is nice to see) helps with Rodriguez down. Beeks's promotion sets him up to help on a spot start. Portland still has some intriguing arms, if no real standouts, too. I'm not sure Buttrey's being "fast-tracked", to be honest. He'd thrown 100 innings at the level and had shown this year that he was ready for a new challenge. Pretty standard time for a promotion, IMO. Fast-tracked would be a promotion to Pawtucket after just 13 innings at the level (Callahan) or a promotion to the majors after 34 innings at the level and skipping Pawtucket entirely (Taylor). It's turning into a very interesting bullpen situation in Pawtucket. Workman, Taylor, and Ramirez are the up-and-down guys already. Martin's on the 40-man but looks like he's getting passed on the depth chart. Shepherd, Callahan, and Maddox were in that final group of NRI's with Taylor in camp. And now Buttrey has entered the conversation. Even Marcus Walden has quietly been very good in the swingman role I used to as a rule ignore until Robby Scott became a thing. As we knew entering the year, if this org is deep in one area, it's potential relief arms in the high minors. I'm not sure there's even necessarily a setup guy in there, but you can fill out the fifth through seventh with what's in Pawtucket right now, almost certainly.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 5, 2017 2:16:25 GMT -5
I've gotta think that Dombrowski is semi fast-tracking Buttrey with the hopes that he and a returning Smith will bolster the 'pen and abrogate the need to acquire any overpriced relief help. Kelly's been much better as the year's gone on and Boyer's not a bad arm. I was surprised to see him sitting 93-96. The infield is a mess, and nobody's really hitting much (unless you count Bogey, who's hitting for BA but has an ISO struggling to stay over .100), but they've been pretty good as a team. Price (averaging 94, which is nice to see) helps with Rodriguez down. Beeks's promotion sets him up to help on a spot start. Portland still has some intriguing arms, if no real standouts, too. I'm not sure Buttrey's being "fast-tracked", to be honest. He'd thrown 100 innings at the level and had shown this year that he was ready for a new challenge. Pretty standard time for a promotion, IMO. Fast-tracked would be a promotion to Pawtucket after just 13 innings at the level (Callahan) or a promotion to the majors after 34 innings at the level and skipping Pawtucket entirely (Taylor). It's turning into a very interesting bullpen situation in Pawtucket. Workman, Taylor, and Ramirez are the up-and-down guys already. Martin's on the 40-man but looks like he's getting passed on the depth chart. Shepherd, Callahan, and Maddox were in that final group of NRI's with Taylor in camp. And now Buttrey has entered the conversation. Even Marcus Walden has quietly been very good in the swingman role I used to as a rule ignore until Robby Scott became a thing. As we knew entering the year, if this org is deep in one area, it's potential relief arms in the high minors. I'm not sure there's even necessarily a setup guy in there, but you can fill out the fifth through seventh with what's in Pawtucket right now, almost certainly. Well, yeah, I agree. But that's why I qualified it with "semi-", in that I could see him getting a quick bump to MLB even if he's just OK at Pawtucket, to see if he can help the big club. Fwiw, he wasn't exactly a world-beater at Portland this year, and his promotion was a little earlier than their usual mid-season (although kind of leading edge). Callahan was totally dominant in Portland, so I kind of see him as fast-tracking himself. I guess I'm saying Buttrey could've spent another six weeks pitching as he has and nobody would've batted an eye. It seems to me that they're actively seeking not just internal middle-innings options, but maybe to catch lightning in a bottle with one of these guys, Callahan and Buttrey being the most likely candidates. You make a great point (I hadn't stopped to consider the litany of names) about their MLB-ready, serviceable RP depth. It's actually pretty impressive, and they can't protect all of those guys on the 40. So maybe they're trying to sort through some debuts and see who they like, who they might be able to trade, and who they can stash?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 5, 2017 8:02:35 GMT -5
Yeah, a seeming perennial organizational weakness may turn out to be the major strength. Go figure. And we have an up close awareness of any medical issues.
I sure don't want to drain the coffers further to upgrade any area including the pen.
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