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How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? (This Year)
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Post by dmaineah on May 17, 2017 13:59:38 GMT -5
How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ?
Since the end of his hitting streak last May 26th JBJ has played in 134 games with 478 At Bats. He has 109 Hits in that span for an Average of .228 with 21 Home Runs, 61 RBIs, 77 Runs Scored, 8 Stolen Bases, 53 Walks & 131 Strike Outs. His On Base % is around 300, Slugging is around 400 & his OPS is around 710.
For his career he has had 1338 At Bats with 1 good hitting streak of 100 At Bats; with 42 Hits for a .420 Average, 496 On Base %, 800 Slugging & a 1259 OPS.
Yes, he plays GREAT Defense.
But is it enough to carry such poor Offense?
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on May 17, 2017 14:14:21 GMT -5
I don't understand the question. Are there other, potentially better options available? There's no minor leaguer knocking on the door begging for playing time. I like Young but think he'll get exposed playing full time. Plus, jbj's babip last time I checked was fairly low. He's streaky and been somewhat unlucky this season. We have more pressing problems (re: third base and bullpen and fifth starter) than a streaky center fielder with good power and plus defense. Or am I missing something?
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Post by dmaineah on May 17, 2017 14:22:42 GMT -5
I don't understand the question. Are there other, potentially better options available? There's no minor leaguer knocking on the door begging for playing time. I like Young but think he'll get exposed playing full time. Plus, jbj's babip last time I checked was fairly low. He's streaky and been somewhat unlucky this season. We have more pressing problems (re: third base and bullpen and fifth starter) than a streaky center fielder with good power and plus defense. Or am I missing something? I don't understand the question - The Question is; How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? Are there other, potentially better options available? - Yes, Young & Selsky. Holt when he is back (though he should probably man 3B) am I missing something? - Yes, JBJ is a hole in the line up
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Post by Smittyw on May 17, 2017 14:24:16 GMT -5
So since the end of his hitting streak last May 26th, he has 21 HR in 478 at-bats with an OPS of .710 and great defense, and this supposed to be unacceptable? Is that the premise here?
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Post by dmaineah on May 17, 2017 14:26:12 GMT -5
So since the end of his hitting streak last May 26th, he has 21 HR in 478 at-bats with an OPS of .710 and great defense, and this supposed to be unacceptable? Is that the premise here? Yes, and those 21 Home Runs accounted for 32 of his 61 RBIs. He had 13 solo shots, 5 2run HRs & 3 3run shots. So, only 29 RBIs in his other 113 games
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on May 17, 2017 14:27:29 GMT -5
So since the end of his hitting streak last May 26th, he has 21 HR in 478 at-bats with an OPS of .710 and great defense, and this supposed to be unacceptable? Is that the premise here? Yeah, that's what's known as a hole in the lineup, obviously. D'uh!!
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Post by raftsox on May 17, 2017 14:27:55 GMT -5
How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? Since the end of his hitting streak last May 26th JBJ has played in 134 games with 478 At Bats. He has 109 Hits in that span for an Average of .205 with 21 Home Runs, 61 RBIs, 77 Runs Scored, 8 Stolen Bases, 53 Walks & 131 Strike Outs. His Slugging is around 400 & his OPS is around 710. Yes, he plays GREAT Defense. But is it enough to carry such poor Offense? 2016 Splits: www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=12984&position=OF&season=20162017 Splits: www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=12984&position=OF&season=2017When looking at 2016 he had a fantastic May, terrible August and below average September, the other months were good. This year is odd; he's running a reverse split (atypical of his career) and is absolutely terrible against RHP. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that he's hiding an injury. Personally, I think he's an average overall player (2WAR) that has upside. From a value perspective he and Justin Upton produce similar results (again, WAR) that is largely dependent on their abilities to hit home runs. Factoring in his low salary, it's a no brainer to keep him around. If there's an alternative available you look to trade him, but otherwise you accept what he is.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on May 17, 2017 14:32:00 GMT -5
I don't understand the question. Are there other, potentially better options available? There's no minor leaguer knocking on the door begging for playing time. I like Young but think he'll get exposed playing full time. Plus, jbj's babip last time I checked was fairly low. He's streaky and been somewhat unlucky this season. We have more pressing problems (re: third base and bullpen and fifth starter) than a streaky center fielder with good power and plus defense. Or am I missing something? I don't understand the question - The Question is; How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? Are there other, potentially better options available? - Yes, Young & Selsky. Holt when he is back (though he should probably man 3B) am I missing something? - Yes, JBJ is a hole in the line up Ummm.... you do know Young's ops this season is .722, right? Again, I like Young, but his offense does not equal jbj's defense and offensive potential. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to change my screen name to mike trout jr jr.... but that ship ain't sailing. PS- if you think Brock holt is better offensively than jbj, then I suggest you take a look at Holt's numbers.
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Post by mandelbro on May 17, 2017 14:40:17 GMT -5
How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? Since the end of his hitting streak last May 26th JBJ has played in 134 games with 478 At Bats. He has 109 Hits in that span for an Average of .205 with 21 Home Runs, 61 RBIs, 77 Runs Scored, 8 Stolen Bases, 53 Walks & 131 Strike Outs. His On Base % is around 300, Slugging is around 400 & his OPS is around 710. For his career he has had 1338 At Bats with 1 good hitting streak of 100 At Bats; with 42 Hits for a .420 Average, 496 On Base %, 800 Slugging & a 1259 OPS. Yes, he plays GREAT Defense. But is it enough to carry such poor Offense? .710 OPS is a pretty healthy OPS for a defensive CF. The fact that the Sox are carrying defensive specialists at C, 3B, and to some extent 1B, makes his relatively meager offensive production stand out. But that's a roster construction issue, not a Jackie Bradley issue.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 17, 2017 14:44:12 GMT -5
I am not a JBJ fan at all but I'm with everybody else, I see no reason to move on from JBJ during this season. I would however like them to explore trading him this offseason and move Benni over to CF depending on what the return could be.
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Post by dmaineah on May 17, 2017 14:46:06 GMT -5
JBJ should be a 4th Outfielder. A defensive specialist that comes into the game in the later innings. He should not be a regular starter getting to bat in the 6th inning down by 1 with men on 1st & 3rd.
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Post by mandelbro on May 17, 2017 14:48:02 GMT -5
I am not a JBJ fan at all but I'm with everybody else, I see no reason to move on from JBJ during this season. I would however like them to explore trading him this offseason and move Benni over to CF depending on what the return could be. I wonder if they could get Manuel Margot Jokes aside, I'd be OK with trading Bradley given the low likelihood of extending him. But if that were to happen, surely Betts would be the choice to play CF. He's patrolled CF at a very high level before. Meanwhile Benintendi has looked shaky in Boston's facile left field.
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Post by mandelbro on May 17, 2017 14:49:42 GMT -5
JBJ should be a 4th Outfielder. A defensive specialist that comes into the game in the later innings. He should not be a regular starter getting to bat in the 6th inning down by 1 with men on 1st & 3rd. AL average OPS is .728. Not sure how GG+.710 makes one a 4th outfielder. EDIT: The more interesting argument is whether or not we are overrating Bradley's fielding ability.
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Post by ematz1423 on May 17, 2017 14:53:20 GMT -5
I am not a JBJ fan at all but I'm with everybody else, I see no reason to move on from JBJ during this season. I would however like them to explore trading him this offseason and move Benni over to CF depending on what the return could be. I wonder if they could get Manuel Margot Jokes aside, I'd be OK with trading Bradley given the low likelihood of extending him. But if that were to happen, surely Betts would be the choice to play CF. He's patrolled CF at a very high level before. Meanwhile Benintendi has looked shaky in Boston's facile left field. Either one works for me but I like Betts in RF as RF in Fenway is very tricky and he has been awesome out there. Benintendi played mostly CF on his way up to the bigs and from the way the reports sounded he would be above average in CF. Edit: A couple options should the Sox go the route of trading JBJ could be JD Martinez and Lorenzo Cain, I am a fan of both of them but not sure the Red Sox should be spending the type of money I assume they will get in free agency.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on May 17, 2017 16:29:00 GMT -5
JBJ should be a 4th Outfielder. A defensive specialist that comes into the game in the later innings. He should not be a regular starter getting to bat in the 6th inning down by 1 with men on 1st & 3rd. I can’t believe I’m getting drawn into this, but fine. Let’s do this: 1- Enough of the JBJ OPS of .710. Last year his OPS was .835. Your decision to completely ignore what he did at the beginning of the year speaks volumes about the overall quality of your “argument.” I’d also like to point out his OPS of .832 in 2015. 2- But you want to highlight the negatives of JBJ—once he got into his slump. That’s fine. Let’s compare JBJ’s “.710” OPS against the three other people you mentioned should take over for him: Chris Young: Love the guy. Great clubhouse player and a veteran who will give you a good quality at bat (most of the time). Except he adds nothing defensively AND his OPS this season is “only” .722. This hardly makes him a candidate for more at-bats. Brock Holt: Hope he gets over his vertigo problems. Great story. Great guy. But he’s an above-average utility infielder. That’s it. In his best year, 2015, his OPS was .727. JBJ’s “.710” OPS is better than Holt’s career OPS average of .705. Oh and then there’s this: Holt has hit 13 homers in his ENTIRE major league career. JBJ hit 26 last year…. Steve Selsky: I hope he becomes the next Brock Holt, I really do. He’s a nice piece they were able to pick up from the trash heap. But he has nowhere near the defensive value of Jackie (I didn’t even realize he’s almost a year older than JBJ too). He has 63 whole plate appearances in the bigs. This is the guy you want replacing someone with back-to-back .800+ OPS seasons? Remember earlier this season (I forget who we were paying), when we were clinging to a one run lead and JF starting warming up Abad-- even though the other team had no lefties anywhere in their lineup? Remember that doozie? You’re approaching that level of logic. When I watch a Red Sox game, I worry that whoever is manning third base is going to airmail another ball over Moreland’s head…. When I watch a Red Sox game, I worry about any reliever not named Kimbrel taking the mound… When I watch a Red Sox game, I worry that Mookie is going to set a MLB record for most solo home runs in a season… When I watch a Red Sox game, I worry Pedey is going to hit into another double play… When I watch a Red Sox game, I worry about any pitch that even grazes Mookie’s legs, arms, head, body, fingers, big toe, etc…. When I watch a Red Sox game, I worry that’d JF is going to go “ya know what, I think Kyle Kendrick got a bum deal, let’s start him for a few more games because why the heck not?”…. In short, I have many other things to worry about besides JBJ, and so should this team.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 17, 2017 16:32:21 GMT -5
I think JBJ is the third best position player on this team. My guess is he'll be 3rd in fWAR by end of season for position players.
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Post by jimed14 on May 17, 2017 16:40:17 GMT -5
The only thing I can think of that's a worse idea is to trade Mookie + the farm system for Mike Trout because Trout is better.
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Post by huskies15 on May 17, 2017 19:20:10 GMT -5
Also, his Med% and Hard% of contact are right in line with last year. He got hurt and his timing was screwed up. He's been better the past few games and will be fine.
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Post by jimed14 on May 17, 2017 21:13:49 GMT -5
Maybe they should wait one more game after a 441 foot HR tonight.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 17, 2017 23:22:44 GMT -5
I thought we have moved past this with Bradley, guess not. Guy's he'll be just fine and he'll be much more than a 2 war player. He's streaky and he was injured.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 18, 2017 11:33:19 GMT -5
Can we say the wait is over?
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Post by Canseco on May 18, 2017 12:21:10 GMT -5
It's flummoxing to see this wave of complaints about Bradley. The guy has always been streaky to the extreme at the dish. His defensive efforts contribute to some of the best up-the-middle work in the big leagues, and that should never be forgotten. As a 7/8/9 hole hitter, Bradley is a damn valuable everyday player. I'm expecting another hot streak from Jackie, as he's driving the ball with authority to center and left-center again.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 18, 2017 14:34:18 GMT -5
I don't get why people are surprised with JBJ. At this point he goes on runs when he's hitting like Ted Williams and other times like Pokey Reese and will finish the season with a Rob Deer career line.
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Post by bookiemetts on May 18, 2017 15:21:51 GMT -5
Like a few posters have said, this is kind of a ridiculous thread. JBJ is like a ~ .800 OPS hitter who goes on streaks of like ~1.300 OPS and slumps of ~.600 OPS:
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Post by sarasoxer on May 18, 2017 15:35:44 GMT -5
Well about 5 days ago I don't think that this would have been considered a "ridiculous" discussion. Bradley was hitting .176 and the Sox had the 28th ranked offense...unable to score. I think you guys are being a little hard on demainah.
I am a Bradley fan mesmerized by his white hot streaks and engaging personality....but boy he can be a black hole.
Does anyone know what happens to his swing that leads to such dry periods? Is he that finely tuned that he implodes when a hair is out of place?
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