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How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? (This Year)
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Post by brendan98 on May 24, 2019 9:14:54 GMT -5
It’s a far too simple analogy but … kind of like a shooter in the NBA has to shoot his way out of a slump, JBJ probably needs to hit his way out of his. You wouldn’t tell Steph Curry to only shoot layups if he started the season cold as ice, for Jackie or any other hitter in a slump, bunting may help your average (like shooting layups will help your shooting %, but it isn’t going to get you out of the slump. Now I’m not saying a struggling hitter should not take advantage of what the defense is giving him in a crucial situation in order to help the team, but Jackie is gonna need to take his hacks in order to get going, hopefully we’ve reached that point already and this is a moot point for now, but chances are there are more infuriating slumps in Jackie’s future, and more occasions where he is going to just have to swing his way out of it while looking helpless at the plate. The crazy thing is, that we always seem to get our hopes up that his maddening roller coaster ride of an offensive game is going to go away. At this point in his career, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that JBJ is possibly the streakiest hitter in the game, and maybe ever, his lows are so low and his highs have been extremely high, it is who he is and likely not going to change.
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Post by James Dunne on May 24, 2019 9:49:30 GMT -5
It’s a far too simple analogy but … kind of like a shooter in the NBA has to shoot his way out of a slump, JBJ probably needs to hit his way out of his. You wouldn’t tell Steph Curry to only shoot layups if he started the season cold as ice, for Jackie or any other hitter in a slump, bunting may help your average (like shooting layups will help your shooting %, but it isn’t going to get you out of the slump. Now I’m not saying a struggling hitter should not take advantage of what the defense is giving him in a crucial situation in order to help the team, but Jackie is gonna need to take his hacks in order to get going, hopefully we’ve reached that point already and this is a moot point for now, but chances are there are more infuriating slumps in Jackie’s future, and more occasions where he is going to just have to swing his way out of it while looking helpless at the plate. The crazy thing is, that we always seem to get our hopes up that his maddening roller coaster ride of an offensive game is going to go away. At this point in his career, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that JBJ is possibly the streakiest hitter in the game, and maybe ever, his lows are so low and his highs have been extremely high, it is who he is and likely not going to change. But let's expand that analogy. Suppose a) he were shooting cold as ice, b) the opponents were still guarding him like a shooter but giving him a lane to drive, and c) he was in a situation where the Warriors needed a bucket. Then yeah, he should get the layup. In a 20-point game against the Suns or if the situation commands it then he should try shooting his way out of a slump, but driving in those situations might also make defenders guard him differently, opening up his shooting game and helping him break out of that slump.
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Post by brendan98 on May 24, 2019 10:00:51 GMT -5
It’s a far too simple analogy but … kind of like a shooter in the NBA has to shoot his way out of a slump, JBJ probably needs to hit his way out of his. You wouldn’t tell Steph Curry to only shoot layups if he started the season cold as ice, for Jackie or any other hitter in a slump, bunting may help your average (like shooting layups will help your shooting %, but it isn’t going to get you out of the slump. Now I’m not saying a struggling hitter should not take advantage of what the defense is giving him in a crucial situation in order to help the team, but Jackie is gonna need to take his hacks in order to get going, hopefully we’ve reached that point already and this is a moot point for now, but chances are there are more infuriating slumps in Jackie’s future, and more occasions where he is going to just have to swing his way out of it while looking helpless at the plate. The crazy thing is, that we always seem to get our hopes up that his maddening roller coaster ride of an offensive game is going to go away. At this point in his career, I think it’s pretty safe to assume that JBJ is possibly the streakiest hitter in the game, and maybe ever, his lows are so low and his highs have been extremely high, it is who he is and likely not going to change. But let's expand that analogy. Suppose a) he were shooting cold as ice, b) the opponents were still guarding him like a shooter but giving him a lane to drive, and c) he was in a situation where the Warriors needed a bucket. Then yeah, he should get the layup. In a 20-point game against the Suns or if the situation commands it then he should try shooting his way out of a slump, but driving in those situations might also make defenders guard him differently, opening up his shooting game and helping him break out of that slump. I agree, maybe bunting a few times might affect the shift that JBJ has to face, and possibly how he is pitched a little bit, but in order for him to get hot at the plate again he is still going to need to take his swings, just as that shooter is still going to have to keep firing up his shots. And I did say "Now I’m not saying a struggling hitter should not take advantage of what the defense is giving him in a crucial situation in order to help the team" in my first post, so I do agree that a struggling hitter should definitely do anything he can in certain situations to help the team win.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 24, 2019 10:09:35 GMT -5
JBJ is awakening! ( An annual, familiar event))😀
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Post by Smittyw on May 24, 2019 16:20:06 GMT -5
JBJ is awakening! ( An annual, familiar event))😀 And yet it always seems to come as a shock to so many...
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Post by sarasoxer on May 24, 2019 16:42:34 GMT -5
JBJ is awakening! ( An annual, familiar event))😀 And yet it always seems to come as a shock to so many... The fact that Bradley has such good hand/eye and has had streaks of good hitting suggests that the talent is there. Why it does not regularly present is a mystery that Bradley and coaches/technology have not solved. Bradley's propensity to try to pull nearly everything, plus swing path have helped torpedo him. Take a page from Devers. If the pitch is outside, go oppo.
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Post by incandenza on May 25, 2019 9:30:54 GMT -5
Hitting .318/.348/.818 in his last five games, since May 20th.
Last year his turnaround seems to have occurred right around... May 20th. As of May 19th he was hitting .161./.261/.242. On May 20th he doubled and walked in a game against Baltimore and for the rest of the month he hit .344/.417/.563. Pretty uncanny.
One wrinkle is that he hasn't taken a walk in the last 8 games (34 PAs). And all 3 homers he's hit this season have come in the last 23 PAs. I wonder if there's a connection there...
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Post by dmaineah on May 26, 2019 7:06:39 GMT -5
Worst thing he could of done was hit 3 homers. Now he thinks he's a power hitter. Trade him while he's hot. "A power hitter", " he's hot", now that's funny. More likely to see a 1/30 streak with a dozen strike outs coming up then anything else. Get him off this team.
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Post by cdj on May 26, 2019 7:52:26 GMT -5
With all due respect you’re the worst.
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Post by mg050369 on May 26, 2019 8:12:18 GMT -5
As Demaineah pointed out, they need to address holes in the lineup and as professional athletes, shifts in positions shouldn't be that difficult. I wanted to offer a well thought out roster and lineup shakeup now that JBJ's bat is showing some life. There are a lot of moving pieces so please stay with me:
JBJ - move to 3b. An excellent defender he replaces the more error prone Devers with not much of a drop off offensively.
Devers - move to catcher, full time. Playing the first 50 games he can clearly catch at least 160 games. Easier on the legs, not as much running and standing. Huge offensive upgrade and a taller target for the pitcher, less wild pitches. Familiar with the infield so it should be a quick and easy transition.
Vazquez - move to 2b. He proved he can handle it defensively and isn't much of a drop off offensively from Chavis.
Chavis - move to cf. huge offensive upgrade, proven adequate at 2b, he should easily excel in cf. Betts and Xander- swap positions. Betts would easily be the best offensive SS in the baseball. X's skills are better utilized in RF.
Moreland - move to LF. His lefty swing is tailor made for the Monster.
Beni - move to DH. I saw him make an error once so I don't trust him in the field.
Martinez- trade him for whatever you can get. He missed 4 games in a row and it frees up money in the off season to sign Dallas Kuechel to a 5/$150M deal as a SP/utility infielder.
Duran - call up to play 1b. On fire in the minors and his speed will lead to more defensive outs as he can get to 1b more quickly for throws from his infielders.
Leon - move to closer for now. He can't hit but his ability to throw out runners demonstrates untapped pitching potential. Put in the rotation once Evoldi returns. Selsky - sign as a super utility player to take Martinez's vacated roster spot.
Draft strategy - Draft only players whose last names begin with a B, C or D as they have historically proven to be the most productive.
Batting order - in alphabetical order to maximize results.
DH Benintendi SS Betts RF Bogey 3b JBJ CF Chavis C. Devers 1b Duran LF Moreland 2B Vazquez
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Post by dmaineah on May 26, 2019 9:25:47 GMT -5
You forgot Bryce Brentz, he'd make an awesome super utility player & could be an RP or Closer in a pinch.
On that note; Eovaldi working his back, he could be a big boost to the relief core as the Closer moving Barnes & the rest down a notch. Could be the move to activate him when he is ready is to finally say bye bye to JBJ hopefully by trade or him accepting an assignment to AAA.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 27, 2019 6:18:42 GMT -5
As Demaineah pointed out, they need to address holes in the lineup and as professional athletes, shifts in positions shouldn't be that difficult. I wanted to offer a well thought out roster and lineup shakeup now that JBJ's bat is showing some life. There are a lot of moving pieces so please stay with me: JBJ - move to 3b. An excellent defender he replaces the more error prone Devers with not much of a drop off offensively. Devers - move to catcher, full time. Playing the first 50 games he can clearly catch at least 160 games. Easier on the legs, not as much running and standing. Huge offensive upgrade and a taller target for the pitcher, less wild pitches. Familiar with the infield so it should be a quick and easy transition. Vazquez - move to 2b. He proved he can handle it defensively and isn't much of a drop off offensively from Chavis. Chavis - move to cf. huge offensive upgrade, proven adequate at 2b, he should easily excel in cf. Betts and Xander- swap positions. Betts would easily be the best offensive SS in the baseball. X's skills are better utilized in RF. Moreland - move to LF. His lefty swing is tailor made for the Monster. Beni - move to DH. I saw him make an error once so I don't trust him in the field. Martinez- trade him for whatever you can get. He missed 4 games in a row and it frees up money in the off season to sign Dallas Kuechel to a 5/$150M deal as a SP/utility infielder. Duran - call up to play 1b. On fire in the minors and his speed will lead to more defensive outs as he can get to 1b more quickly for throws from his infielders. Leon - move to closer for now. He can't hit but his ability to throw out runners demonstrates untapped pitching potential. Put in the rotation once Evoldi returns. Selsky - sign as a super utility player to take Martinez's vacated roster spot. Draft strategy - Draft only players whose last names begin with a B, C or D as they have historically proven to be the most productive. Batting order - in alphabetical order to maximize results. DH Benintendi SS Betts RF Bogey 3b JBJ CF Chavis C. Devers 1b Duran LF Moreland 2B Vazquez While you’re moving guys around, how about Sandy Leon to SS? Got to get that bat in the lineup on a regular schedule. And Porcello to DH to increase his trade value.
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Post by brendan98 on May 27, 2019 18:10:01 GMT -5
It’s going to cost the Red Sox a lot of money to fix the dents in the Green Monster if JBJ keeps hitting line drives off of it. Just another of the many reasons to get rid of him!
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Post by jimed14 on May 27, 2019 18:13:58 GMT -5
As Demaineah pointed out, they need to address holes in the lineup and as professional athletes, shifts in positions shouldn't be that difficult. I wanted to offer a well thought out roster and lineup shakeup now that JBJ's bat is showing some life. There are a lot of moving pieces so please stay with me: JBJ - move to 3b. An excellent defender he replaces the more error prone Devers with not much of a drop off offensively. Devers - move to catcher, full time. Playing the first 50 games he can clearly catch at least 160 games. Easier on the legs, not as much running and standing. Huge offensive upgrade and a taller target for the pitcher, less wild pitches. Familiar with the infield so it should be a quick and easy transition. Vazquez - move to 2b. He proved he can handle it defensively and isn't much of a drop off offensively from Chavis. Chavis - move to cf. huge offensive upgrade, proven adequate at 2b, he should easily excel in cf. Betts and Xander- swap positions. Betts would easily be the best offensive SS in the baseball. X's skills are better utilized in RF. Moreland - move to LF. His lefty swing is tailor made for the Monster. Beni - move to DH. I saw him make an error once so I don't trust him in the field. Martinez- trade him for whatever you can get. He missed 4 games in a row and it frees up money in the off season to sign Dallas Kuechel to a 5/$150M deal as a SP/utility infielder. Duran - call up to play 1b. On fire in the minors and his speed will lead to more defensive outs as he can get to 1b more quickly for throws from his infielders. Leon - move to closer for now. He can't hit but his ability to throw out runners demonstrates untapped pitching potential. Put in the rotation once Evoldi returns. Selsky - sign as a super utility player to take Martinez's vacated roster spot. Draft strategy - Draft only players whose last names begin with a B, C or D as they have historically proven to be the most productive. Batting order - in alphabetical order to maximize results. DH Benintendi SS Betts RF Bogey 3b JBJ CF Chavis C. Devers 1b Duran LF Moreland 2B Vazquez This first post is the equivalent of Daniel Nava's first pitch in the majors grand slam. Welcome to the board!
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Post by jimed14 on May 27, 2019 18:16:05 GMT -5
Worst thing he could of done was hit 3 homers. Now he thinks he's a power hitter. Trade him while he's hot. "A power hitter", " he's hot", now that's funny. More likely to see a 1/30 streak with a dozen strike outs coming up then anything else. Get him off this team. Yeah, it sucks to see players on the Red Sox do well. Two doubles off the wall today. Get you off this board.
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Post by alnipper on May 28, 2019 16:25:05 GMT -5
I was going to post about a week ago and life got too busy and I forgot. He's been really really close to breaking out of his slump. He has been hitting the ball much harder, but several have gone just foul. He also has just been missing the ball and fouling it straight back. He has always been a streaky hitter, which is no secret to anybody on this site. A JBJ "on a tear" is starting FINALLY.
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Post by telson13 on May 28, 2019 19:38:35 GMT -5
As Demaineah pointed out, they need to address holes in the lineup and as professional athletes, shifts in positions shouldn't be that difficult. I wanted to offer a well thought out roster and lineup shakeup now that JBJ's bat is showing some life. There are a lot of moving pieces so please stay with me: JBJ - move to 3b. An excellent defender he replaces the more error prone Devers with not much of a drop off offensively. Devers - move to catcher, full time. Playing the first 50 games he can clearly catch at least 160 games. Easier on the legs, not as much running and standing. Huge offensive upgrade and a taller target for the pitcher, less wild pitches. Familiar with the infield so it should be a quick and easy transition. Vazquez - move to 2b. He proved he can handle it defensively and isn't much of a drop off offensively from Chavis. Chavis - move to cf. huge offensive upgrade, proven adequate at 2b, he should easily excel in cf. Betts and Xander- swap positions. Betts would easily be the best offensive SS in the baseball. X's skills are better utilized in RF. Moreland - move to LF. His lefty swing is tailor made for the Monster. Beni - move to DH. I saw him make an error once so I don't trust him in the field. Martinez- trade him for whatever you can get. He missed 4 games in a row and it frees up money in the off season to sign Dallas Kuechel to a 5/$150M deal as a SP/utility infielder. Duran - call up to play 1b. On fire in the minors and his speed will lead to more defensive outs as he can get to 1b more quickly for throws from his infielders. Leon - move to closer for now. He can't hit but his ability to throw out runners demonstrates untapped pitching potential. Put in the rotation once Evoldi returns. Selsky - sign as a super utility player to take Martinez's vacated roster spot. Draft strategy - Draft only players whose last names begin with a B, C or D as they have historically proven to be the most productive. Batting order - in alphabetical order to maximize results. DH Benintendi SS Betts RF Bogey 3b JBJ CF Chavis C. Devers 1b Duran LF Moreland 2B Vazquez This first post is the equivalent of Daniel Nava's first pitch in the majors grand slam. Welcome to the board! So good I actually bit on it and was thinking “Whaaaa...?” to the point where I got annoyed enough to skip ahead, seeing the CVaz to 2b...and still biting until I saw “Beni to DH.” And then, there was light, and I bathed in the glory of subtly obvious sarcasm. It was 100% legit, and I loved every moment. The best part? We’ve heard 60% of this rationale before, in *complete* seriousness.
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Post by dmaineah on May 29, 2019 6:29:57 GMT -5
Worst thing he could of done was hit 3 homers. Now he thinks he's a power hitter. Trade him while he's hot. "A power hitter", " he's hot", now that's funny. More likely to see a 1/30 streak with a dozen strike outs coming up then anything else. Get him off this team. Yeah, it sucks to see players on the Red Sox do well. Two doubles off the wall today. Get you off this board. Won't continue & not going to happen
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Post by radiohix on May 29, 2019 19:52:08 GMT -5
Damaineh is the poster boy of the Dinning-Kruger effect: The more ignorant you are, the more confident you are in your takes. I really hope for your co-workers that you're not as incompetent in your job as you are when try to analyze the game of baseball.
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Post by gerry on May 30, 2019 4:13:22 GMT -5
Damaineh is the poster boy of the Dinning-Kruger effect: The more ignorant you are, the more confident you are in your takes. I really hope for your co-workers that you're not as incompetent in your job as you are when try to analyze the game of baseball. Ad hominem posts on this board are so disappointing. All any of us have are opinions and our opinions are often so wrong.
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Post by radiohix on May 30, 2019 4:30:58 GMT -5
Damaineh is the poster boy of the Dinning-Kruger effect: The more ignorant you are, the more confident you are in your takes. I really hope for your co-workers that you're not as incompetent in your job as you are when try to analyze the game of baseball. Ad hominem posts on this board are so disappointing. All any of us have are opinions and our opinions are often so wrong. There's a difference between expressing an opinion backed by facts and trolling for sake of trolling Gerry.
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Post by ericmvan on May 31, 2019 10:30:14 GMT -5
Speier in today's Globe has a nice article where JBJ says his big adjustment was before Saturday's game in Houston, even though his numbers started skyrocketing 5 days earlier.
StatCast bears this out.
May 20 to 24: xwOBA .298, wOBA .481. May 25 on: xwOBA .414, wOBA .508.
Miraculously, JBJ this year got lucky before he got good, rather than getting good but staying unlucky. But it's possible that the good luck in Toronto (those homers to left were singles in Fenway) put him in a frame of mind to finally make the adjustments he needed. Regardless, we'll stay with .314 / .419 / .784 in 43 PA since May 20 as the answer to the thread question. It only seems fair after what happened last year.
From the article it's clear that JBJ has very long slumps because he doesn't have the skill of easily changing his mechanics by getting his mind out of the way even once he understands what he's dong wrong and how to fix it.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 4, 2019 10:39:47 GMT -5
Hitting .318/.348/.818 in his last five games, since May 20th. Last year his turnaround seems to have occurred right around... May 20th. As of May 19th he was hitting .161./.261/.242. On May 20th he doubled and walked in a game against Baltimore and for the rest of the month he hit .344/.417/.563. Pretty uncanny. One wrinkle is that he hasn't taken a walk in the last 8 games (34 PAs). And all 3 homers he's hit this season have come in the last 23 PAs. I wonder if there's a connection there... Just have to revisit this, because I find it incredible that JBJ seems to have turned it around exactly on May 20th in two consecutive seasons. JBJ through May 5/19/18: .161/.261/.242,, 38 wRC+ 5/20: 1-for-3 with a double and a walk, 209 wRC+ 5/20-6/3: .279/.354/.442, 114 wRC+ rest of season: .257/.330/.463, 108 wRC+ through 5/19/19: .144/.245/.176, 15 wRC+ 5/20: 1-for-5 with a home run, 145 wRC+ 5/20-6/3: .326/.408/.721, 191 wRC+ rest of season: ??? At this moment he's almost exactly where he was on the same date last year (60 wRC+ vs. 57 last year.) The only real difference is that he started off even worse early this season, and his late May revival has been even more impressive.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 13, 2019 21:00:05 GMT -5
Worst thing he could of done was hit 3 homers. Now he thinks he's a power hitter. Trade him while he's hot. "A power hitter", " he's hot", now that's funny. More likely to see a 1/30 streak with a dozen strike outs coming up then anything else. Get him off this team. Since this post, JBJ has hit .333/.441/.674 in 18 games. Yeah, worst thing ever.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 14, 2019 7:38:52 GMT -5
Worst thing he could of done was hit 3 homers. Now he thinks he's a power hitter. Trade him while he's hot. "A power hitter", " he's hot", now that's funny. More likely to see a 1/30 streak with a dozen strike outs coming up then anything else. Get him off this team. Since this post, JBJ has hit .333/.441/.674 in 18 games. Yeah, worst thing ever. Good stats. Obviously his average has come up but it was so low to begin with that I didn't fully realize the protracted period of quality.
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