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How long should the Red Sox wait on JBJ? (This Year)
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Post by incandenza on Jun 15, 2019 13:47:22 GMT -5
His wOBA over the last 24 games (.450) is the highest he's had over any 24-game stretch since June 2016.
Ho hum.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 21, 2019 13:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by gerry on Jun 21, 2019 14:50:11 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 14:54:00 GMT -5
That's awesome, but if your DD do you look at moving him? For awhile there it looked as though you weren't going to be able to get anything and that the only reason you were playing him was because you had virtually no options. Now that he's hitting like he's Ted Williams, do you move him or roll with him?
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Post by radiohix on Jun 21, 2019 15:16:02 GMT -5
That's awesome, but if your DD do you look at moving him? For awhile there it looked as though you weren't going to be able to get anything and that the only reason you were playing him was because you had virtually no options. Now that he's hitting like he's Ted Williams, do you move him or roll with him? Why do people keep bringing this point? When he's scuffling: DFA HIM! HE'S A BUM! When he's hitting: LET'S SELL HIGH! Why? He's at least a league avg hitter, who even when slumping gets you competitive at bats, he's a tremendous base runner and plays CF defense at God level. He's also under a very decent contract. Why on Earth would you trade that?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 15:30:09 GMT -5
That's awesome, but if your DD do you look at moving him? For awhile there it looked as though you weren't going to be able to get anything and that the only reason you were playing him was because you had virtually no options. Now that he's hitting like he's Ted Williams, do you move him or roll with him? Why do people keep bringing this point? When he's scuffling: DFA HIM! HE'S A BUM! When he's hitting: LET'S SELL HIGH! Why? He's at least a league avg hitter, who even when slumping gets you competitive at bats, he's a tremendous base runner and plays CF defense at God level. He's also under a very decent contract. Why on Earth would you trade that? Because he's not really an average hitter. He's either Ted Williams or Sandy Leon with the bat. At the beginning of the season he wasn't great with the glove either. His WAR is currently 0.5. Despite hitting better than Rendon and Bellinger, he's still only hitting .210/.310/.366/.676 with 7 HR and 24 RBI. Last year his OPS was .717, the year before that it was .725. Splits by month: 2019: March: .235/.235/.294/.529 April: .127/.222/.155/.377 May: .247/.363/.481/.844 June: .254/.362/.492/.854 2018 (condensing to just OPS because I'm lazy): April: .650 May: .599 June: .653 July: .801 August: .827 September: .826 2017: April: .597 May: .809 June: .1.009 July: .596 August: .770 September: .526 3 AB in October: .579 Using hyperbolic statements to describe JBJ hot-streak, which I admittedly thought was a bit better.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2019 15:56:50 GMT -5
That's awesome, but if your DD do you look at moving him? For awhile there it looked as though you weren't going to be able to get anything and that the only reason you were playing him was because you had virtually no options. Now that he's hitting like he's Ted Williams, do you move him or roll with him? If Duran was at Pawtucket at AAA hitting the way he was hitting in A ball, then yeah, you could look at it, but Duran is struggling in AA right now. There's no real replacement for JBJ. Plus what he does bring to the table is something the Red Sox do need. I think he's league average at best with the bat - probably below a bit on balance, but he does make up with it for his glove and he does keep Mookie out of CF, which probably reduces some wear and tear on Mookie, which is a good thing. The Red Sox probably prefer to keep two CF types in CF and RF because of the ballpark dimensions rather than have a CF and a lumbering RF with a power bat. I think the best thing the Sox can do is hang onto JBJ, deal with his roller coaster offense, and try to get this year and next out of him and hope Duran is knocking on the door by then. There's no way you extend JBJ. One day when he's hitting .170 in May - that's going to continue a lot longer into the season and really hurt a team. Like clockwork he has been turning it around, but at some point in the future that will stop happening. Let another team pay for that. But for now and next year JBJ is what the team needs in CF. If Duran was knocking on the door, I'd look at dealing JBJ for somebody who could take Porcello's spot in the rotation next year, but for 1 year of JBJ, you'd need to surrender more probably, and the fact is that Duran simply isn't ready yet, so JBJ it is.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 21, 2019 16:07:14 GMT -5
Why do people keep bringing this point? When he's scuffling: DFA HIM! HE'S A BUM! When he's hitting: LET'S SELL HIGH! Why? He's at least a league avg hitter, who even when slumping gets you competitive at bats, he's a tremendous base runner and plays CF defense at God level. He's also under a very decent contract. Why on Earth would you trade that? Because he's not really an average hitter. He's either Ted Williams or Sandy Leon with the bat. So at the end of the season he's at .700+ OPS which make him....a league average bat and when you add that to the fielding and the base running makes him an above average regular which his 10.3 WAR over the last 3 years confirm. His contract offers great value to the team and allow them to extend the likes of Sale and Bogey. He's an extremely good fit for the club and I can't fandom trading him and messing with one of the team strength: It's Outfield defense.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 16:07:43 GMT -5
That's awesome, but if your DD do you look at moving him? For awhile there it looked as though you weren't going to be able to get anything and that the only reason you were playing him was because you had virtually no options. Now that he's hitting like he's Ted Williams, do you move him or roll with him? If Duran was at Pawtucket at AAA hitting the way he was hitting in A ball, then yeah, you could look at it, but Duran is struggling in AA right now. There's no real replacement for JBJ. Plus what he does bring to the table is something the Red Sox do need. I think he's league average at best with the bat - probably below a bit on balance, but he does make up with it for his glove and he does keep Mookie out of CF, which probably reduces some wear and tear on Mookie, which is a good thing. The Red Sox probably prefer to keep two CF types in CF and RF because of the ballpark dimensions rather than have a CF and a lumbering RF with a power bat. I think the best thing the Sox can do is hang onto JBJ, deal with his roller coaster offense, and try to get this year and next out of him and hope Duran is knocking on the door by then. There's no way you extend JBJ. One day when he's hitting .170 in May - that's going to continue a lot longer into the season and really hurt a team. Like clockwork he has been turning it around, but at some point in the future that will stop happening. Let another team pay for that. But for now and next year JBJ is what the team needs in CF. If Duran was knocking on the door, I'd look at dealing JBJ for somebody who could take Porcello's spot in the rotation next year, but for 1 year of JBJ, you'd need to surrender more probably, and the fact is that Duran simply isn't ready yet, so JBJ it is. His early glove play was not good, but he has gotten better. His bat streaks from hot to cold. When he's cold, he's a black hole in the order. As much as he carries the team when he's hot, he's a major drag when he's down. On the balance he's still not having a good year despite the streak. He's at 0.5 WAR, which is an upgrade from the 0.0 he was at a couple of weeks ago. They have nothing right now, which I get, but I feel like they could flip him for a good reliever and find a replacement level OF on the market. Both Benny and Mookie are capable of playing CF if need be. I doubt it would take much to get Billy Hamilton on the roster who is atrocious with the bat, excellent speed, and can fill the void on defense and is only on a 1-year deal. I don't think what JBJ gives you is that hard to fill and the bullpen needs another good arm.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 21, 2019 16:14:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I stopped reading after the Trade him for a reliever suggestion.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 16:16:17 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 16:16:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I stopped reading after the Trade him for a reliever suggestion. Cool story.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2019 16:20:18 GMT -5
If Duran was at Pawtucket at AAA hitting the way he was hitting in A ball, then yeah, you could look at it, but Duran is struggling in AA right now. There's no real replacement for JBJ. Plus what he does bring to the table is something the Red Sox do need. I think he's league average at best with the bat - probably below a bit on balance, but he does make up with it for his glove and he does keep Mookie out of CF, which probably reduces some wear and tear on Mookie, which is a good thing. The Red Sox probably prefer to keep two CF types in CF and RF because of the ballpark dimensions rather than have a CF and a lumbering RF with a power bat. I think the best thing the Sox can do is hang onto JBJ, deal with his roller coaster offense, and try to get this year and next out of him and hope Duran is knocking on the door by then. There's no way you extend JBJ. One day when he's hitting .170 in May - that's going to continue a lot longer into the season and really hurt a team. Like clockwork he has been turning it around, but at some point in the future that will stop happening. Let another team pay for that. But for now and next year JBJ is what the team needs in CF. If Duran was knocking on the door, I'd look at dealing JBJ for somebody who could take Porcello's spot in the rotation next year, but for 1 year of JBJ, you'd need to surrender more probably, and the fact is that Duran simply isn't ready yet, so JBJ it is. His early glove play was not good, but he has gotten better. His bat streaks from hot to cold. When he's cold, he's a black hole in the order. As much as he carries the team when he's hot, he's a major drag when he's down. On the balance he's still not having a good year despite the streak. He's at 0.5 WAR, which is an upgrade from the 0.0 he was at a couple of weeks ago. They have nothing right now, which I get, but I feel like they could flip him for a good reliever and find a replacement level OF on the market. Both Benny and Mookie are capable of playing CF if need be. I doubt it would take much to get Billy Hamilton on the roster who is atrocious with the bat, excellent speed, and can fill the void on defense and is only on a 1-year deal. I don't think what JBJ gives you is that hard to fill and the bullpen needs another good arm. If JBJ's final numbers were going to be where he's now, I'd agree. Trade him for what you can get. But I don't believe that's the case. His OPS which was under .500 is now over .600 and climbing. I anticipate he'll be above .700 as far as OPS goes, probably around .725. Hamilton has no shot at getting anywhere near that. Defensive metrics take awhile to stabilize so I don't put too much stock into his early season defensive "issues". I think he still has an incredible glove. I don't think a reliever plus getting Billy Hamilton is worth giving up JBJ. Another thing to keep in mind, not that you can necessarily count on it - JBJ has had some big hits in the post-season. I think he had a HR against Houston in the Red Sox one win in the ALDS 2017 and we know what he did last season. He fits the team fine. I wish he was less Jekyl and Hyde and I do think they can certainly upgrade the bat down the road, but I don't think they should change one of the biggest strengths of this team which is elite defense in the outfield. I think Benintendi would be stretched out in CF - he's a plus LF. Doubt he'd be a plus CF. Mookie would be, but RF defense would suffer, plus that might mean more wear and tear on his legs. I think Mookie is the best defensive RF in baseball. Don't see a need to mess with that. Enjoy JBJ's hot streak. I think when all is said and done he'll wind up around .230 - .245, a respectable amount of walks, along with 15 - 20 HRs and gold glove defense. And if that's so, that means he's hitting at least .265 the rest of the way. I'm not a big fan of cherry picking out a player's struggles - I mean, they do count and they do hurt, right? But in JBJ's case he does enough other things that if I strongly feel a hot streak is around the corner I can live with it.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 21, 2019 16:32:00 GMT -5
If Duran was at Pawtucket at AAA hitting the way he was hitting in A ball, then yeah, you could look at it, but Duran is struggling in AA right now. There's no real replacement for JBJ. Plus what he does bring to the table is something the Red Sox do need. I think he's league average at best with the bat - probably below a bit on balance, but he does make up with it for his glove and he does keep Mookie out of CF, which probably reduces some wear and tear on Mookie, which is a good thing. The Red Sox probably prefer to keep two CF types in CF and RF because of the ballpark dimensions rather than have a CF and a lumbering RF with a power bat. I think the best thing the Sox can do is hang onto JBJ, deal with his roller coaster offense, and try to get this year and next out of him and hope Duran is knocking on the door by then. There's no way you extend JBJ. One day when he's hitting .170 in May - that's going to continue a lot longer into the season and really hurt a team. Like clockwork he has been turning it around, but at some point in the future that will stop happening. Let another team pay for that. But for now and next year JBJ is what the team needs in CF. If Duran was knocking on the door, I'd look at dealing JBJ for somebody who could take Porcello's spot in the rotation next year, but for 1 year of JBJ, you'd need to surrender more probably, and the fact is that Duran simply isn't ready yet, so JBJ it is. His early glove play was not good, but he has gotten better. His bat streaks from hot to cold. When he's cold, he's a black hole in the order. As much as he carries the team when he's hot, he's a major drag when he's down. On the balance he's still not having a good year despite the streak. He's at 0.5 WAR, which is an upgrade from the 0.0 he was at a couple of weeks ago. They have nothing right now, which I get, but I feel like they could flip him for a good reliever and find a replacement level OF on the market. Both Benny and Mookie are capable of playing CF if need be. I doubt it would take much to get Billy Hamilton on the roster who is atrocious with the bat, excellent speed, and can fill the void on defense and is only on a 1-year deal. I don't think what JBJ gives you is that hard to fill and the bullpen needs another good arm. Oh gosh, I thought you wanted to trade him for prospects because of your view that the team is mediocre and it's not worth fighting for a wild card. But you're saying that trading JBJ for another bullpen arm would make the team better. That's... a surprising argument. Suppose we got rid of JBJ (projected for 1.0 fWAR for the rest of the season) and added Billy Hamilton (projected for 0.6 fWAR). Do you think we could get a reliever who could make up the difference? You'd also have to add in whatever the price to get Hamilton would be.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 16:35:15 GMT -5
Because he's not really an average hitter. He's either Ted Williams or Sandy Leon with the bat. So at the end of the season he's at .700+ OPS which make him....a league average bat and when you add that to the fielding and the base running makes him an above average regular which his 10.3 WAR over the last 3 years confirm. His contract offers great value to the team and allow them to extend the likes of Sale and Bogey.He's an extremely good fit for the club and I can't fandom trading him and messing with one of the team strength: It's Outfield defense. You know he's currently making 8.5 million and next year will be his last year of arbitration (will probably get 10+) and is then a free agent? It's not like he's pre-arb. He makes good money for being a decent starter. His WAR the previous years have gone from: 0.6 2.2 5.5 3.0 2.1 0.5 (currently, projected for 2.7) His dWAR have gone: 2.0 0.8 1.6 1.4 0.4 0.1 His Wins Above Average player is currently -0.4. I'm not even hinting that they should flip him for a 6th inning pitcher or someone who is 35. They could get a very good, cost-controlled piece in return. I would think.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 16:49:17 GMT -5
His early glove play was not good, but he has gotten better. His bat streaks from hot to cold. When he's cold, he's a black hole in the order. As much as he carries the team when he's hot, he's a major drag when he's down. On the balance he's still not having a good year despite the streak. He's at 0.5 WAR, which is an upgrade from the 0.0 he was at a couple of weeks ago. They have nothing right now, which I get, but I feel like they could flip him for a good reliever and find a replacement level OF on the market. Both Benny and Mookie are capable of playing CF if need be. I doubt it would take much to get Billy Hamilton on the roster who is atrocious with the bat, excellent speed, and can fill the void on defense and is only on a 1-year deal. I don't think what JBJ gives you is that hard to fill and the bullpen needs another good arm. If JBJ's final numbers were going to be where he's now, I'd agree. Trade him for what you can get. But I don't believe that's the case. His OPS which was under .500 is now over .600 and climbing. I anticipate he'll be above .700 as far as OPS goes, probably around .725. Hamilton has no shot at getting anywhere near that. Defensive metrics take awhile to stabilize so I don't put too much stock into his early season defensive "issues". I think he still has an incredible glove. I don't think a reliever plus getting Billy Hamilton is worth giving up JBJ. Another thing to keep in mind, not that you can necessarily count on it - JBJ has had some big hits in the post-season. I think he had a HR against Houston in the Red Sox one win in the ALDS 2017 and we know what he did last season. He fits the team fine. I wish he was less Jekyl and Hyde and I do think they can certainly upgrade the bat down the road, but I don't think they should change one of the biggest strengths of this team which is elite defense in the outfield. I think Benintendi would be stretched out in CF - he's a plus LF. Doubt he'd be a plus CF. Mookie would be, but RF defense would suffer, plus that might mean more wear and tear on his legs. I think Mookie is the best defensive RF in baseball. Don't see a need to mess with that. Enjoy JBJ's hot streak. I think when all is said and done he'll wind up around .230 - .245, a respectable amount of walks, along with 15 - 20 HRs and gold glove defense. And if that's so, that means he's hitting at least .265 the rest of the way. I'm not a big fan of cherry picking out a player's struggles - I mean, they do count and they do hurt, right? But in JBJ's case he does enough other things that if I strongly feel a hot streak is around the corner I can live with it. The problem with JBJ is that for 2 months he helped drag this team down. Now he's hot and the team is on the rise, but we've seen this before from him. He will mash and then he will get ice cold again. It's the same song and dance. At one point, he was my favorite prospect and I was a big believer in his bat, but I've come to terms with the fact that he's insanely streaky and that when he's cold, you can't even give him away. His defense might also be a tad overrated on here. According to Fan Graphs, they have him listed as 10th out of 15 (I'm assuming because some players aren't qualifying?) www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=His early glove play was not good, but he has gotten better. His bat streaks from hot to cold. When he's cold, he's a black hole in the order. As much as he carries the team when he's hot, he's a major drag when he's down. On the balance he's still not having a good year despite the streak. He's at 0.5 WAR, which is an upgrade from the 0.0 he was at a couple of weeks ago. They have nothing right now, which I get, but I feel like they could flip him for a good reliever and find a replacement level OF on the market. Both Benny and Mookie are capable of playing CF if need be. I doubt it would take much to get Billy Hamilton on the roster who is atrocious with the bat, excellent speed, and can fill the void on defense and is only on a 1-year deal. I don't think what JBJ gives you is that hard to fill and the bullpen needs another good arm. Oh gosh, I thought you wanted to trade him for prospects because of your view that the team is mediocre and it's not worth fighting for a wild card. But you're saying that trading JBJ for another bullpen arm would make the team better. That's... a surprising argument. Suppose we got rid of JBJ (projected for 1.0 fWAR for the rest of the season) and added Billy Hamilton (projected for 0.6 fWAR). Do you think we could get a reliever who could make up the difference? You'd also have to add in whatever the price to get Hamilton would be. I think Hamilton is garbage, but tremendous with the glove and perfect for pinch-running situations in games he doesn't start. He adds a dynamic. JBJ is a better hitter, even when cold. Currently, for the year, Hamilton has a slightly higher WAR. I don't think he would cost anything more than a Travis Lakins type (if that). He was just a quick example of a guy I thought of. I'm sure there are other guys to pick from. His contract is short money/years. I think you can accomplish both with JBJ. They can compete and get a piece that will be with the team for a few years.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2019 16:52:42 GMT -5
If JBJ's final numbers were going to be where he's now, I'd agree. Trade him for what you can get. But I don't believe that's the case. His OPS which was under .500 is now over .600 and climbing. I anticipate he'll be above .700 as far as OPS goes, probably around .725. Hamilton has no shot at getting anywhere near that. Defensive metrics take awhile to stabilize so I don't put too much stock into his early season defensive "issues". I think he still has an incredible glove. I don't think a reliever plus getting Billy Hamilton is worth giving up JBJ. Another thing to keep in mind, not that you can necessarily count on it - JBJ has had some big hits in the post-season. I think he had a HR against Houston in the Red Sox one win in the ALDS 2017 and we know what he did last season. He fits the team fine. I wish he was less Jekyl and Hyde and I do think they can certainly upgrade the bat down the road, but I don't think they should change one of the biggest strengths of this team which is elite defense in the outfield. I think Benintendi would be stretched out in CF - he's a plus LF. Doubt he'd be a plus CF. Mookie would be, but RF defense would suffer, plus that might mean more wear and tear on his legs. I think Mookie is the best defensive RF in baseball. Don't see a need to mess with that. Enjoy JBJ's hot streak. I think when all is said and done he'll wind up around .230 - .245, a respectable amount of walks, along with 15 - 20 HRs and gold glove defense. And if that's so, that means he's hitting at least .265 the rest of the way. I'm not a big fan of cherry picking out a player's struggles - I mean, they do count and they do hurt, right? But in JBJ's case he does enough other things that if I strongly feel a hot streak is around the corner I can live with it. The problem with JBJ is that for 2 months he helped drag this team down. Now he's hot and the team is on the rise, but we've seen this before from him. He will mash and then he will get ice cold again. It's the same song and dance. At one point, he was my favorite prospect and I was a big believer in his bat, but I've come to terms with the fact that he's insanely streaky and that when he's cold, you can't even give him away. His defense might also be a tad overrated on here. According to Fan Graphs, they have him listed as 10th out of 15 (I'm assuming because some players aren't qualifying?) www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=Oh gosh, I thought you wanted to trade him for prospects because of your view that the team is mediocre and it's not worth fighting for a wild card. But you're saying that trading JBJ for another bullpen arm would make the team better. That's... a surprising argument. Suppose we got rid of JBJ (projected for 1.0 fWAR for the rest of the season) and added Billy Hamilton (projected for 0.6 fWAR). Do you think we could get a reliever who could make up the difference? You'd also have to add in whatever the price to get Hamilton would be. I think Hamilton is garbage, but tremendous with the glove and perfect for pinch-running situations in games he doesn't start. He adds a dynamic. JBJ is a better hitter, even when cold. Currently, for the year, Hamilton has a slightly higher WAR. I don't think he would cost anything more than a Travis Lakins type (if that). He was just a quick example of a guy I thought of. I'm sure there are other guys to pick from. I think you can accomplish both with JBJ. They can compete and get a piece that will be with the team for a few years. Keep in mind that last season he was awful until Memorial Day and pretty consistently good from Memorial Day through the end of the season. I believe we'll see that JBJ again. I don't think we're going to see ice cold JBJ again necessarily, at least I don't think so. Sounds like JBJ figured out (again) what was screwing him up mechanically, so hopefully he sticks with it and continues to hit as he has. He's gone from 0 homers to 7 really quickly. The JBJ we see going forward should be pretty valuable. And I think that the difference between what JBJ gives you versus what Billy Hamilton gives you going forward offensively will be immense.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 16:56:52 GMT -5
The problem with JBJ is that for 2 months he helped drag this team down. Now he's hot and the team is on the rise, but we've seen this before from him. He will mash and then he will get ice cold again. It's the same song and dance. At one point, he was my favorite prospect and I was a big believer in his bat, but I've come to terms with the fact that he's insanely streaky and that when he's cold, you can't even give him away. His defense might also be a tad overrated on here. According to Fan Graphs, they have him listed as 10th out of 15 (I'm assuming because some players aren't qualifying?) www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=I think Hamilton is garbage, but tremendous with the glove and perfect for pinch-running situations in games he doesn't start. He adds a dynamic. JBJ is a better hitter, even when cold. Currently, for the year, Hamilton has a slightly higher WAR. I don't think he would cost anything more than a Travis Lakins type (if that). He was just a quick example of a guy I thought of. I'm sure there are other guys to pick from. I think you can accomplish both with JBJ. They can compete and get a piece that will be with the team for a few years. Keep in mind that last season he was awful until Memorial Day and pretty consistently good from Memorial Day through the end of the season. I believe we'll see that JBJ again. I don't think we're going to see ice cold JBJ again necessarily, at least I don't think so. Sounds like JBJ figured out (again) what was screwing him up mechanically, so hopefully he sticks with it and continues to hit as he has. He's gone from 0 homers to 7 really quickly. The JBJ we see going forward should be pretty valuable. And I think that the difference between what JBJ gives you versus what Billy Hamilton gives you going forward offensively will be immense. Again, Hamilton was just plucked from thin air as a quick guy as who can come in as a filler on the cheap. The thing is, that's a sizeable gamble. It seems when JBJ is going he can really swing the bat well, but as soon as one thing goes awry in his mechanics and then he's toast. His upside is higher than most players who you can fill the position with, but the risk is he's going to fall back into mediocrity and be a glorified 4 OF.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 17:25:40 GMT -5
I think JBJ is in center field for the rest of the year no matter what, but since we're throwing out crack pot ideas here's something to consider after this season. JBJ will probably make $11-12M in arbitration next year while Rusney Castillo is in the last year of his deal and will make $13M. Depending on how JBJ finishes the season, it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to DFA JBJ and call up Castillo. Castillo can barely handle AAA. I don't think there's any scenario you'll see him with the big club. Best case he can be a .700 OPS hitter who makes more than JBJ.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 17:46:00 GMT -5
Castillo can barely handle AAA. I don't think there's any scenario you'll see him with the big club. Best case he can be a .700 OPS hitter who makes more than JBJ. Are you taking the over or under on JBJ hitting .700 this year? Maybe Castillo isn't part of the equation (for the record, I did state this was a crack pot idea) but a .700 OPS with above average fielding could very well describe either of them if they're playing center field for the Red Sox next year. See. That's the thing with JBJ, you just don't know, but he's a better defender, cheaper and has more offensive upside than Castillo. If JBJ truly has figured something out, it'll be a fun summer, but that's a major gamble.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 19:31:33 GMT -5
Major gamble? WTF are you talking about?
I'd love to see you interview with the Red Sox and see everyone in the room laughing their asses off.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 19:46:00 GMT -5
Major gamble? WTF are you talking about? I'd love to see you interview with the Red Sox and see everyone in the room laughing their asses off. You're right. Those months when he's a .500-.600 OPS are just so valuable when he's 10th in CF defense. How could I possibly forget that. Wouldn't trade for Trout. Nunez for MVP.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 19:48:09 GMT -5
What's the major gamble in keeping him when teams are not offering Mike Trout? Why do you assume that the Red Sox are getting ridiculous offers for everyone on their roster which is the only justification you've come up with the stupid argument that they should sell?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 19:51:20 GMT -5
What's the major gamble in keeping him when teams are not offering Mike Trout? Why do you assume that the Red Sox are getting ridiculous offers for everyone on their roster which is the only justification you've come up with the stupid argument that they should sell? I said I'd go for a solid, cost-controlled reliever. You know I said that because you liked another comment. It's a gamble because he's proven to be an insanely streaky hitter and he's gotten worse overall each of the last few years. His tremendous hot streak and he's still terrible for the year. He just raised his WAR from 0.0 to 0.5.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 20:00:29 GMT -5
What's the major gamble in keeping him when teams are not offering Mike Trout? Why do you assume that the Red Sox are getting ridiculous offers for everyone on their roster which is the only justification you've come up with the stupid argument that they should sell? I said I'd go for a solid, cost-controlled reliever. You know I said that because you liked another comment. It's a gamble because he's proven to be an insanely streaky hitter and he's gotten worse overall each of the last few years. His tremendous hot streak and he's still terrible for the year. He just raised his WAR from 0.0 to 0.5. There is zero gamble to keeping him, not a major gamble. What would be a major gamble is assuming you could replace him whatsoever in the near term. People underestimate the need for 2 very good center fielders in Fenway.
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