steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 20, 2017 8:09:55 GMT -5
I know what many of you are going to say about considering Frazier, but we do NOT have many options that are believable. This thread is about trying to catch some "lightning in a bottle"...not dreaming about some blockbuster. The worse thing, IMO, we could do is trade away any more of our top prospects. So I'm not thinking that way. Devers and probably 4 or 5 others should be held on to.
Todd Frazier is not close to be a perfect player. He strikes out way too much and his OBP is terrible. But with that said, we have such a "black hole" at third and a big void in the power department, that we need to see if someone, who won't cost a lot, can adequately fill the role.
I sort of think the SS-Sandoval has left the port, or at least sunk...jamming up the harbor. I can see the Sox giving one more month, but I'm not confident. Holt is a "band-aid". Marco is probably finished for most, if not all, of the season. Rutledge is a total waste of a spot on the 40 man.
I know there will be negativity about trading for Frazier, but I would like to see what is thought of as enough for him. I'll start...Danny Mars and a little cash.
I would like to see someone written in on the score card at 3rd almost every day who will play average defense and have the potential for an extra base hit. Currently...that looks like a tall order with the cast of characters we have at our disposal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 20, 2017 8:22:47 GMT -5
I don't think the Sox can even afford Frazier to stay under the luxury tax threshold. I can see a Mike Moustakas trade maybe but that's about it.
I think the Sox are going to depend on Pablo and Rutledge for a while and come July or August they'll either promote Devers by August or acquire Moustakas by the end of July. A lot of it will depend on how Devers is probably hitting by July and how well Pablo is doing by that point too.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 20, 2017 9:17:09 GMT -5
Maybe Jed Lowrie might be a more realistic possibility? He's playing 2b for Oakland but he's healthy (for now) and I wouldn't think he'd cost much as far as prospects go? I would think he could play 3b?
At worst he'd be a step up from Rutledge and a good platoon option for Sandoval or insurance for Devers.
Somebody will overpay for Frazier's homers. I would hope it's not the Red Sox.
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Post by mattpicard on May 20, 2017 11:05:53 GMT -5
Lowrie's long been a pretty terrible defender up the middle. He always seemed like someone who could be at his best defensively at third, but I would still expect him to be below average there. He also has major durability issues, but I don't hate the bat.
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 20, 2017 12:33:50 GMT -5
Let me be clear about any possibility on acquiring Todd Frazier. The COST would have to be loooow. If the ChiSox want to pay his whole salery this year, good luck. But if they want SOME salary relief and aren't expecting much back, he still may be possible. NO top prospects and no way we pay his whole yearly salary.
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Post by dmaineah on May 20, 2017 12:39:42 GMT -5
I could see him being moved as a "you have to take him if you want José Quintana" deal.
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Post by jimed14 on May 20, 2017 14:24:43 GMT -5
We're already at the point where we need to compare what Devers might do in the majors with what a new 3B might do. Is the possible/likely difference between the two players worth the extra cost (free vs. a trade package)? Also, since there are almost no trades before late July anyway, you have to pay more to convince a team not to wait to drive up the price. I think we're best left with Devers at 3B in a month or two and possibly a back end starter depending on Price and Pomeranz.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 20, 2017 18:35:38 GMT -5
I could see him being moved as a "you have to take him if you want José Quintana" deal. The White Sox aren't looking to get rid of him anywhere near as much as they would rather get a bunch of Moncada/Kopech blue chippers types for Quintana. Why should they? It's not like Frazier is killing their budget so bad that you MUST take Frazier off our hands to get Quintana. This isn't the cheapo Marlins with a highly paid (at the time) Mike Lowell under contract for two more years coming off a crappy season that you need to take for Lowell (and even THAT cost a young Hanley and Anabal Sanchez). The Sox aren't getting Quintana. They don't have the chips left anymore and it would be foolish at this point. Somebody will overpay for Frazier. Doesn't have to be the Red Sox.
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Post by larrycook on May 25, 2017 22:30:04 GMT -5
With pedroia leaving tonight's game with a knee injury, hopefully the sox look for middle infielder help and leave Frazier for some other team.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 26, 2017 1:17:22 GMT -5
With pedroia leaving tonight's game with a knee injury, hopefully the sox look for middle infielder help and leave Frazier for some other team. Pedrioa got taken out for precautionary reasons, he'll be fine.
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Post by nomar on Jun 27, 2017 18:11:58 GMT -5
Bradford surmised we'll be in on Frazier with his value plummeting as he hits .211
If his value is really that low... I'd take him if Chicago ate some money to keep us under the LT. he's a good fit for Fenway park and he's a good defender, even if he's only about a league average run producer now. He'd be cheaper than Moustakas.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 27, 2017 18:45:13 GMT -5
Bradford surmised we'll be in on Frazier with his value plummeting as he hits .211 If his value is really that low... I'd take him if Chicago ate some money to keep us under the LT. he's a good fit for Fenway park and he's a good defender, even if he's only about a league average run producer now. He'd be cheaper than Moustakas. He would lengthen the line-up for us. Man that 8 and 9 spot are almost non-existent. Pitchers would, especially in Fenway, have to be careful with Frazier. I could see him hitting 12 to 15 bombs in the 2nd half for us. Can't wait until they DFA Panda.
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Post by jdb on Jul 1, 2017 11:25:13 GMT -5
I'm staring to think Fraizers the way we should go. With that salary he shouldn't cost much prospect wise and could hit 15+ HRs the second half playing decent D. Seems like a good teammate and a playoff race could energize him to the guy in Cincy.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 1, 2017 19:03:05 GMT -5
What will Dave do here? White sox already see that they can get away with asking dave for a lot. The Sale trade. if the money fits and the prospect cost is VERY low then this might be a good option.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 3, 2017 10:38:41 GMT -5
What will Dave do here? White sox already see that they can get away with asking dave for a lot. The Sale trade. if the money fits and the prospect cost is VERY low then this might be a good option. Too much for Sale? Really? Kopech will do something stupid and doubt if he has anything other than a short career with a flash here or there. Why the hell was he trying to throw 100mph this past winter with nothing to prove? Doesn't sound like he gets it to me. Moncada has some K issues. Looks like he will become an above-average player, but not a superstar. Sale is a star. I'd see if they bite on a package around guys like; Brentz, Maddox and maybe a non-premium prospect in A ball.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 15, 2017 14:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jul 15, 2017 21:53:36 GMT -5
I read on mlbtr a guy ranked from 11 to 20 and a guy ranked 21 to 30 would get Frazier
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 16, 2017 12:43:42 GMT -5
I read on mlbtr a guy ranked from 11 to 20 and a guy ranked 21 to 30 would get Frazier As much I think Frazier would be helpful for us, that is about all I'd want to give up. After what Devers did on "Opening Night" for himself in AAA, I'm becoming more and more torn. I would absolutely hate giving up a prospect like Chavis for a 2 1/2 month rental.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 17, 2017 9:36:23 GMT -5
I read on mlbtr a guy ranked from 11 to 20 and a guy ranked 21 to 30 would get Frazier Got a link? I sincerely doubt they put it that way.
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Post by Coreno on Jul 17, 2017 10:46:06 GMT -5
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 17, 2017 11:12:22 GMT -5
I think it's most likely that Frazier will get traded after the deadline passes. He will either go un claimed or someone will claim him & work out a deal.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jul 17, 2017 18:28:25 GMT -5
I read on mlbtr a guy ranked from 11 to 20 and a guy ranked 21 to 30 would get Frazier Got a link? I sincerely doubt they put it that way. I would of offered a link but I saw off of their app
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2017 18:35:10 GMT -5
I think it's most likely that Frazier will get traded after the deadline passes. He will either go un claimed or someone will claim him & work out a deal. Why would the White Sox do that? They can just trade him for the best offer.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2017 18:36:11 GMT -5
Not a chance I deal Shawaryn, I would move Larkin before him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2017 19:23:52 GMT -5
I think it's most likely that Frazier will get traded after the deadline passes. He will either go un claimed or someone will claim him & work out a deal. Why would the White Sox do that? They can just trade him for the best offer. No one is claiming the rest of his salary, if he isn't traded by the deadline. They can wait if they feel the need to.
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