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Rosenthal speculates on Farrell's job security
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2017 19:18:32 GMT -5
Another issue I have with Farrell, once a player or pitcher begins to slump there out. See Bradley and most every reliever. Same at 3B, a revolving door. Once a guy makes an error there out. Time to get Farrell out! I don't think I agree with you here. Bradley played for nearly an entire season as literally the worst full-time hitter in baseball. This season when he was slumping, Farrell sat him for three games to clear his head and then went right back to him. To say he hasn't given Bradley a chance is just really, really untrue. He's very clearly still the starting CF, so I'm not sure what you're talking about, really. I'm not sure what relievers you're referring to. Any examples? As for third base, yes, it's been a revolving door - because Sandoval got hurt, Holt got hurt, Hernandez got hurt, then Rutledge pretty much literally couldn't field the position. How is it Farrell's fault that his top 3 options there all got hurt? If your complaint about Farrell is that he didn't give Josh Rutledge enough of a chance, I mean... That he runs away from guys too quickly is pretty much the exact opposite of the complaint I'd expect to see about Farrell, frankly. The argument for years is that he sticks with his guys for too long. Look at last season - Shaw got like three months of a sub-.300 OBP before they tried something else. ------ On a separate note, Dave Cameron timely writing about Arizona: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/its-time-to-talk-about-the-diamondbacks/His point about the Padres isn't great - they're just 6-4 against them, so it's not like they've been padding their record there. He notes the offense looks like it might be due to regress, but it's not terribly so. Probably a fair point on the schedule and that the pitching depth isn't there. Will be interesting to see how Hazen plays this. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 23, 2017 19:23:01 GMT -5
I was going to write out some longer examples, but I don't have time, so I'll summarize for those who are upset about the Red Sox underperforming under Farrell and say the Diamondbacks are overachieving under Lovullo: What specific things does Lovullo deserve credit for with the Diamondbacks? What particular performances can be attributed to him? Similarly, what particular disappointing performances can be pinned on Farrell? Perhaps it can be summed up as this: What, specifically, is Lovullo doing that Farrell isn't? It's an honest question I have because I don't quite get what people think the difference is with MLB managers, whose jobs, I'd argue, matter the least of any coach in professional sports so long as they're not making monumentally boneheaded decisions (such as, say, if Farrell were starting Marrero over Bogaerts at shortstop or Young over Betts in right or something). There are very few in-game tactics decisions that matter a ton, unlike, say, what offense to run, what defense to run, and bigger picture substitutions and playing time. I'm not defending him necessarily - in fact, if someone was in the "the team needs a change and you can't fire all of the players" camp, I can buy that even though I may or may not agree - but I just don't get what people think the difference is from manager to manager. Lovullo more than likely brings a more calm presence over the players. It is all about working with individuals to get them to concentrate more on the mental aspect of the game. To be ready at all times. How many times do we hear ex-players talk about the mental fatigue and such. He works better with each player that ultimately forms a Team that is on the same page game in and game out. It could be that simple. Listen to Farrell on Dale & Holley on EEI and before each radio broadcast. Then draw your own conclusion. When Farrell speaks its all about why a player isn't doing this or doing that. The blame is always on the player in not so many words with Farrell. Its time to cut bait! I hate defending Farrell, but you are literally just making things up that make sense to you and what you want to believe. There is no way that any of us have any idea of what effect Farrell has on 'bringing a calm presence' to the players, nor can it ever be measured. |
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Post by Don Caballero on May 24, 2017 17:49:27 GMT -5
It's basically inevitable if the team doesn't turn around hard at this point as DDo didn't make those moves to lose now. I've been a vocal Farrell defender here and I regret nothing, he gave us some great years and I'll always be thankful for how he calm eyed us to a World Series. Great stuff all around.
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Post by dnfl333 on May 27, 2017 17:26:10 GMT -5
Lovullo more than likely brings a more calm presence over the players. It is all about working with individuals to get them to concentrate more on the mental aspect of the game. To be ready at all times. How many times do we hear ex-players talk about the mental fatigue and such. He works better with each player that ultimately forms a Team that is on the same page game in and game out. It could be that simple. Listen to Farrell on Dale & Holley on EEI and before each radio broadcast. Then draw your own conclusion. When Farrell speaks its all about why a player isn't doing this or doing that. The blame is always on the player in not so many words with Farrell. Its time to cut bait! I hate defending Farrell, but you are literally just making things up that make sense to you and what you want to believe. There is no way that any of us have any idea of what effect Farrell has on 'bringing a calm presence' to the players, nor can it ever be measured. Explain why Lovullo takes a sub .500 Redsox Team to 9 games over .500 the year Farrell left on medical leave? Explain why Arizona 69 wins in 16 is currently 12 over 9 1 last 10? Coincidence, I don't think so.. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 27, 2017 18:25:19 GMT -5
I hate defending Farrell, but you are literally just making things up that make sense to you and what you want to believe. There is no way that any of us have any idea of what effect Farrell has on 'bringing a calm presence' to the players, nor can it ever be measured. Explain why Lovullo takes a sub .500 Redsox Team to 9 games over .500 the year Farrell left on medical leave? Explain why Arizona 69 wins in 16 is currently 12 over 9 1 last 10? Coincidence, I don't think so.. They also have a GM who is nowhere near as bad as his predecessor. That could be a big part of it, too. |
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Post by James Dunne on May 27, 2017 19:31:38 GMT -5
I hate defending Farrell, but you are literally just making things up that make sense to you and what you want to believe. There is no way that any of us have any idea of what effect Farrell has on 'bringing a calm presence' to the players, nor can it ever be measured. Explain why Lovullo takes a sub .500 Redsox Team to 9 games over .500 the year Farrell left on medical leave? Explain why Arizona 69 wins in 16 is currently 12 over 9 1 last 10? Coincidence, I don't think so.. You're right. John Farrell could never get hired by a team that just won 69 games and then, say, win the World Series with them. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 27, 2017 20:21:00 GMT -5
Explain why Lovullo takes a sub .500 Redsox Team to 9 games over .500 the year Farrell left on medical leave? Explain why Arizona 69 wins in 16 is currently 12 over 9 1 last 10? Coincidence, I don't think so.. You're right. John Farrell could never get hired by a team that just won 69 games and then, say, win the World Series with them. Wish I had been clever enough to point that out! |
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Post by dnfl333 on May 29, 2017 14:30:37 GMT -5
Explain why Lovullo takes a sub .500 Redsox Team to 9 games over .500 the year Farrell left on medical leave? Explain why Arizona 69 wins in 16 is currently 12 over 9 1 last 10? Coincidence, I don't think so.. You're right. John Farrell could never get hired by a team that just won 69 games and then, say, win the World Series with them. Explain the 2 straight losing seasons in last place? Explain the bullpen usage last year and lack there of in the playoffs? .500 club thus far in 17 and everyone has forgotten about Lovullo.. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 29, 2017 14:47:22 GMT -5
You're right. John Farrell could never get hired by a team that just won 69 games and then, say, win the World Series with them. the 2 straight losing seasons in last place? Explain the bullpen usage last year and lack there of in the playoffs? .500 club thus far in 17 and everyone has forgotten about Lovullo.. Because he's not a "calming influence" (behind closed doors where nobody can for certain know one way or the other but let's postulate anyhow)?
Amirite?
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Post by dnfl333 on May 29, 2017 20:07:36 GMT -5
Explain the bullpen usage today in Chicago?
Your best setup reliever has a zero era in the 8th, but you burn him in the 6th because of who is up in the lineup is laughable...
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2017 5:59:36 GMT -5
Explain the bullpen usage today in Chicago? Your best setup reliever has a zero era in the 8th, but you burn him in the 6th because of who is up in the lineup is laughable... Isn't this exactly what people want him to do? |
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Post by rjp313jr on May 30, 2017 6:00:19 GMT -5
You're right. John Farrell could never get hired by a team that just won 69 games and then, say, win the World Series with them. Explain the 2 straight losing seasons in last place? Explain the bullpen usage last year and lack there of in the playoffs? .500 club thus far in 17 and everyone has forgotten about Lovullo.. Did I miss something about that Cleveland series last year? Was the bullpen even a factor for us? |
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