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Post by SALNotes on Mar 21, 2018 18:46:40 GMT -5
I got a lot of 91-92 (93) in my look last yr, so maybe he is up a tick
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 21, 2018 22:07:40 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 22, 2018 7:30:32 GMT -5
Is that what you'd call arm side run? I see his fastballs continually tailing towards the inside for RHH.
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Post by patford on Mar 22, 2018 9:04:42 GMT -5
Is it me or is he getting zero leg drive in that video? It's like Jake Cosart - all of the effort is coming from the arm. You mean Scherff ?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 22, 2018 9:13:08 GMT -5
Yeah I moved the scherff stuff to the scherff thread.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 22, 2018 9:14:12 GMT -5
Is that what you'd call arm side run? I see his fastballs continually tailing towards the inside for RHH. Yup. Lil bit of arm-side run on some of those two-seamers. I freaking love the at-bat by #88 that starts around 1:40. Works him inside, inside, inside, then curveball away, fastball away, comes back inside, and then comes back middle a little too much for what looks like a single through the left side (there's a runner on base in the next at-bat). Love the comfort working in and out. Does it to the other batters two but the first five pitches of that at-bat were a nice little sequence.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Mar 22, 2018 11:08:34 GMT -5
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Post by m1keyboots on Mar 22, 2018 11:32:22 GMT -5
Is that what you'd call arm side run? I see his fastballs continually tailing towards the inside for RHH. It could also be a bit of the camera sitting on the left handed side of the box by just a bit. Very minor, but I think watching baseball on tv, and every angle exaggerates so much compared to sitting on the field, when its just kind of a quick "point a-point-b type thing" Im guessing even that is changed when guys consistently see +90 mph pitches.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 22, 2018 11:35:27 GMT -5
Get the hype train going.
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Post by patford on Mar 22, 2018 11:38:44 GMT -5
On his follow through the landing point of his right foot varies. There seems to be roughly three places where it lands. Is that just reflective of how hard he throws a pitch ? I suppose it would not tip anything because the ball is in the catchers mitt by the time the right foot lands.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 22, 2018 12:27:18 GMT -5
On his follow through the landing point of his right leg varies. There seems to be roughly three places where it lands. Is that just reflective of how hard he throws a pitch ? I suppose it would not tip anything because the ball is in the catchers mitt by the time the right foot lands. Looking at the video, it seems he's a lot more consistent about it facing hitters (you're absolutely right that he's inconsistent while he's warming), and the times he truncates once there are live hitters are ones in which he needs to get into a fielding position (the bunt attempt, a swing) for the most part. Interesting point though - nice eye. Not something I'd worry about, but something I'm going to try to keep an eye on when I'm there. I care more in the sense that I'd want him to be in good fielding position though, because like you said, it's not like back leg is something a hitter is going to be watching for cues on the pitch, because it's in the glove by the time he'd notice.
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 23, 2018 9:42:13 GMT -5
Josh Norris added this little tidbit this morning -
ADD: Original tweet talking about Bryan Mata
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Post by Addam603 on Mar 23, 2018 9:54:19 GMT -5
Josh Norris added this little tidbit this morning - ADD: Original tweet talking about Bryan Mata Youre obviously not the one that said it, but does he mean best arm on his whole trip or on the Red Sox leg of his trip?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 23, 2018 10:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by patford on Mar 23, 2018 12:56:42 GMT -5
On top of everything else his delivery looks effortless. He almost looks like he is tossing the ball to the catcher.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 23, 2018 21:56:48 GMT -5
I love this kid. Terrific efficiency and really, what sounds like special pitchability for someone so young. Even better hearing that his velo seems to be trending up a few ticks. He’s pretty projectable and it’s early, so who knows? If he ends up sitting 93-94 (solid to plus RHSP velocity) with the sort of command and pitchability he’s shown so far, and sees some consistency/quality gains on his secondary stuff, he definitely sounds like #3-4 starter material with maybe some genuine upside beyond that. Someone mentioned Porcello elsewhere and that seems to me like a fair upside comp: dependable, pretty efficient, goes deep in games, might have some big seasons in him. Maybe not a guy who wows you with stuff, but is probably absolutely infuriating to face, and to watch pitch against your team. To me, nothing is more painful than watching some dude throwing against the Sox, putting 92 mph fastballs on the black in/out/up/down and mixing in solid but not special offspeed stuff...and watching our guys hitting defensively from behind in the count and rolling over a bunch of weak grounders. That’s gotta be the most demoralizing experience as a hitter, and a fan, IMO.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 23, 2018 22:00:48 GMT -5
Best part of the article for me. This says MLB out-pitch, weaponization in progress: “The curveball showed tight spin and deep break with an 11-to-5 shape in the mid-70s. He also showed an ability to throw the pitch in the zone or bury it for a chase as well.”
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Post by telson13 on Mar 23, 2018 22:11:16 GMT -5
On top of everything else his delivery looks effortless. He almost looks like he is tossing the ball to the catcher. That last CB is nasty. His arm action is really smooth, like you said he def looks real low-effort. I notice he lands consistently, too, although he’s got a funny little toe-in so his plant foot’s angled about 20-30 degrees towards the third base side. He kind of stiffens his knee and falls across his turned leg. Makes me think of a pole-vaulter. Whatever, though...he obviously makes it work. Love the easy velo. 92-94 and touching 95 is real solid for an 18 y/o. Put him in the draft as a HSer and he’s probably going in the 1st round.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 24, 2018 0:25:10 GMT -5
On top of everything else his delivery looks effortless. He almost looks like he is tossing the ball to the catcher. That last CB is nasty. His arm action is really smooth, like you said he def looks real low-effort. I notice he lands consistently, too, although he’s got a funny little toe-in so his plant foot’s angled about 20-30 degrees towards the third base side. He kind of stiffens his knee and falls across his turned leg. Makes me think of a pole-vaulter. Whatever, though...he obviously makes it work. Love the easy velo. 92-94 and touching 95 is real solid for an 18 y/o. Put him in the draft as a HSer and he’s probably going in the 1st round. He'd be a top ten pick if he was in the draft this year, I think. There's still even more room for velocity as time goes on (consistent mid 90's fastball). This kid has been my binky since the beginning of last year. I was starting threads how I'd rather trade Chavis over this kid, that's how much I love watching the progression of this kid.
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Post by m1keyboots on Mar 26, 2018 12:29:06 GMT -5
This may be a nonsensical complaint. Here goes it though. I for one wouldn't want to see him sitting mid-upper 90s. Not saying his body couldnt handle it, but his ability is already there and after seeing so many great hsrd throwing young RHSP go down it seems like low 90s is enough. Of course it's about how you GO about adding that velocity, and whether or not it adds to, or plays your fastball up. Its really just nit picking, but having a young homegrown starter is just so exciting, that selfishly I want to be hired as a personal arm protector. I could lift all his luggage and sign autographs for him. Just so his arm remains perfectly intact.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 26, 2018 12:44:23 GMT -5
This may be a nonsensical complaint. Here goes it though. I for one wouldn't want to see him sitting mid-upper 90s. Not saying his body couldnt handle it, but his ability is already there and after seeing so many great hsrd throwing young RHSP go down it seems like low 90s is enough. Of course it's about how you GO about adding that velocity, and whether or not it adds to, or plays your fastball up. Its really just nit picking, but having a young homegrown starter is just so exciting, that selfishly I want to be hired as a personal arm protector. I could lift all his luggage and sign autographs for him. Just so his arm remains perfectly intact. From what I’ve read, the injury risk and velocity relationship is more about sitting velo/max velo versus overall velocity. Basically, it’s a product of effort. So I’d be happiest if I saw Mata having success touching 98-99 but sitting 93, rather than, as you say, having the same peak velo of 99 but sitting 95. “Pitching” beats throwing any day.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 26, 2018 14:27:33 GMT -5
Sickels www.minorleagueball.com/2018/3/26/17160106/prospects-american-league-east-santander-mata-german-yarbrough-roemon-fields"Don’t Overlook These Prospects: American League East Here are some prospects who are somewhat overlooked but certainly still worthy of your attention. [...] Boston Red Sox: Bryan Mata, RHP: The Red Sox spent a mere $25,000 to sign Mata out of Venezuela in 2016. This looks like a tremendous bargain after he jumped from the Dominican Summer League all the way to the South Atlantic League in 2017, posting a 3.74 ERA in 77 innings with a 74/26 K/BB. That’s pretty decent on the surface, but what made it special was his age: just 18. He was the youngest pitcher in the Sally League. Mata doesn’t turn 19 until this May. He has no shortage of velocity, working at 89-94 in 2017 but up to a reported 94-95 this spring according to Josh Norris at Baseball America. Mata can mix in a solid curveball and change-up and his instincts are very advanced for his age. Red Sox prospects are often over-hyped by the media but Mata may actually be under-appreciated at this point"
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 26, 2018 14:38:53 GMT -5
I'm as excited about Mata (and maybe more), than I am about any other player in the organization, but it seems odd to include a dude people have spent the last 10 days breathlessly hyping on a "don't overlook" list. Maybe it's my Red Sox-centric universe, but it doesn't feel that anyone is overlooking him.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 26, 2018 14:51:38 GMT -5
I'm as excited about Mata (and maybe more), than I am about any other player in the organization, but it seems odd to include a dude people have spent the last 10 days breathlessly hyping on a "don't overlook" list. Maybe it's my Red Sox-centric universe, but it doesn't feel that anyone is overlooking him. Yeah, I mean he's #3 here. He's no Travis Shaw.
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Post by patford on Mar 26, 2018 18:59:30 GMT -5
I'm as excited about Mata (and maybe more), than I am about any other player in the organization, but it seems odd to include a dude people have spent the last 10 days breathlessly hyping on a "don't overlook" list. Maybe it's my Red Sox-centric universe, but it doesn't feel that anyone is overlooking him. Maybe the emerging thinking is he should be one of the top ten prospects in baseball ? Josh Norris: Best arm I've seen this trip and it's not really close
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