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Post by patford on Apr 22, 2019 16:35:37 GMT -5
Guys Mata is the youngest player in the league he's pitching in right now. Let's stop with the Boston in 2020 craziness. I'd missed that on the 2 seam. Makes some sense. I thought for a minute, after leaning and coming back, you might've been thinking of Houck. What is encouraging is Mata accepted and worked through what he was instructed to work on.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 8, 2019 22:08:43 GMT -5
Bumping this thread after yesterday's great return to the Salem rotation.
I get that its only 34.1 innings and all....but a 1.83 ERA, 0.99 WHIP, 24.7 K% (to 8.2 BB%), and a 66.3% GB rate is fairly bonkers for the youngest pitcher in the league.
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Post by kingstephanos on Jun 8, 2019 22:17:32 GMT -5
Bumping this thread after yesterday's great return to the Salem rotation. I get that its only 34.1 innings and all....but a 1.83 ERA, 0.99 WHIP, 24.7 K% (to 8.2 BB%), and a 66.3% GB rate is fairly bonkers for the youngest pitcher in the league. Would you put him in a trade for a "lock down" reliever that's under contract.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 8, 2019 22:20:14 GMT -5
I mean....straight up for a lock down reliever under control? Yeah probably. As part of a 3 player package? Seems kind of rich.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 9, 2019 10:35:08 GMT -5
Went back and watched Friday's start, and I know lots of looks and reports go into these things, but it's insane to me for Mata not to be 1-2-3 in this system. Between his age, level, stuff, build, even with his warts in my mind he has to be near the top of these rankings. There is just way too much current skill and things to dream on with him.
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Post by alnipper on Jun 9, 2019 10:59:07 GMT -5
Went back and watched Friday's start, and I know lots of looks and reports go into these things, but it's insane to me for Mata not to be 1-2-3 in this system. Between his age, level, stuff, build, even with his warts in my mind he has to be near the top of these rankings. There is just way too much current skill and things to dream on with him. I rated him 4th on death ears this past month. I am surprised to see how people overvalue power hitters. I admit to loving power hitters, but I see Mata as a better professional than Dalbec. I am really rooting for Dalbec too! D Hernandez I rank over Mata in our system. Moving Hernandez up and down as well as from the pen to the rotation is hurting his numbers. Back to Mata. If he keeps getting better with his control (after bulking up) he could become a high end number 3 starter. Now that he is healthy he should move up next month. Right guys?
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Post by caseytins on Jun 9, 2019 13:51:22 GMT -5
Went back and watched Friday's start, and I know lots of looks and reports go into these things, but it's insane to me for Mata not to be 1-2-3 in this system. Between his age, level, stuff, build, even with his warts in my mind he has to be near the top of these rankings. There is just way too much current skill and things to dream on with him. I've been saying this for quite some time. I've been working on a top 60 list. He is certainly in the top 4 in this system. He's my clear #2, behind Casas.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 15, 2019 10:30:18 GMT -5
Mata leads all of the minor leagues with a 69.3% GB rate among all pitchers with at least 40 innings.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 15, 2019 11:11:33 GMT -5
Nasty! Given that home run suppression is probably going to be the #1 most important factor for pitchers if it isn't already, he should be flying up the prospect charts.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 15, 2019 12:17:32 GMT -5
Mata leads all of the minor leagues with a 69.3% GB rate among all pitchers with at least 40 innings. I would think that that particular skill (especially since he misses some bats, too) would translate very well to MLB. That’s Keuchel-level GB induction. With better fielding at the MLB level, you’d expect fewer bleeders and hard shots to end up hits. It’s easy to forget that he just turned 20 a month ago. If he can keep cleaning up his delivery, maybe driving a bit more, he can hopefully stay healthy and finish the year in AA. He’s an exciting guy to follow. The added velo over the past year and the sky-high GB rate, along with improved command...it all points in the right direction; that is, an efficient mid-rotation option. At really low cost.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jun 15, 2019 15:04:51 GMT -5
Nasty! Given that home run suppression is probably going to be the #1 most important factor for pitchers if it isn't already, he should be flying up the prospect charts. woah that's impressive stuff. His curveball is easily a plus. His fastball continues to gain more speed along with movement as he matures and he clearly hit another growth spurt. Very exciting, may be our best pitching prospect in the system
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Post by soxfan511 on Jun 15, 2019 15:07:29 GMT -5
Does Mata have a 3rd plus pitch?
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 15, 2019 15:37:24 GMT -5
Not sure how to embed these, but here's a better look at the Mata pitch over pitch.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 15, 2019 15:39:06 GMT -5
So weird that the pitches wind up in the same spot and take different routes to get there.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jun 15, 2019 15:44:18 GMT -5
Mata has improved as much in two years as any player in the sox prospects system in my opinion.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 15, 2019 16:12:39 GMT -5
The cutter is better than the curve. If he has a future plus secondary it's that. The curve is not future plus.
Talked to a scout who was there last night. He liked what he saw. Very good report.
The weird thing was he hated the changeup. That used to be his best secondary, but it hasn't been good for a couple years now.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 15, 2019 16:50:55 GMT -5
The cutter is better than the curve. If he has a future plus secondary it's that. The curve is not future plus. Talked to a scout who was there last night. He liked what he saw. Very good report. The weird thing was he hated the changeup. That used to be his best secondary, but it hasn't been good for a couple years now. His two seam FB is his best pitch. His curve and changeup both grade out as average for me, currently. Both still have some future projection. He's still growing and figuring out his body and mechanics, overall. He needs to be promoted to Portland soon.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jun 15, 2019 17:32:31 GMT -5
The cutter is better than the curve. If he has a future plus secondary it's that. The curve is not future plus. Talked to a scout who was there last night. He liked what he saw. Very good report. The weird thing was he hated the changeup. That used to be his best secondary, but it hasn't been good for a couple years now. I'm no baseball expert or scout, but can you explain to me how Mata's curve isn't a plus. Looks like a very late tight break that will miss bats.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 15, 2019 19:48:23 GMT -5
So weird that the pitches wind up in the same spot and take different routes to get there. it just looks that way for some reason, hurt my brain for a while trying to figure it out, the fastball is caught at the catchers kneecap but doesn't show up well
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 15, 2019 20:42:26 GMT -5
The cutter is better than the curve. If he has a future plus secondary it's that. The curve is not future plus. Talked to a scout who was there last night. He liked what he saw. Very good report. The weird thing was he hated the changeup. That used to be his best secondary, but it hasn't been good for a couple years now. He needs to be promoted to Portland soon. He's 20 years old.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 15, 2019 21:26:22 GMT -5
He needs to be promoted to Portland soon. He's 20 years old. And he's dealt with some injuries. Not knowing any info about those injuries, I'd want him to gain some more momentum in A+ this year. He REALLY struggled last year. I'm all for a late season call up so he can 3-4 starts or so (assuming he keeps this up), but no need for more. No need to rush.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 20, 2019 8:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2019 8:59:50 GMT -5
95-98??!!
This will spurn a new wave of "I could see him adding 6-8 mph on his fastball like Byran Mata as he gets older."
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 20, 2019 9:08:09 GMT -5
Is Mata throwing his 2 seam at 95+? If so, that is Zach Britton territory.
Also, it sounds like Mata's improved control is due, in large part, to having another weapon to keep hitters off balance (slider), and thus being more comfortable throwing in the strike zone instead of nibbling.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jun 20, 2019 12:33:45 GMT -5
Long time reader, casual poster. How does his track record, and continued progression compare to Eduardo Rodriguez? Just wondering.
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