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Post by Guidas on May 30, 2017 16:00:09 GMT -5
I'd be focusing on Otani and Otani only, if anyone. I think everyone else ends up drastically overpaid. Otani would be a prize but I still won't believe his team is posting him until they do, and, given the relatively fixed salary he could earn in MLB (unless some new creativity could be found - perhaps secret pallets of cash like the Iran deal), I fail to see the draw for a Japanese player to play in Boston when New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles (and even Anaheim) could give them equal salary and much more endorsement potential. |
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Post by mredsox89 on May 30, 2017 17:13:32 GMT -5
Many more teams have plenty of money now vs. even 5 years ago. I'm not saying the Yankees won't go commit $1.5B to 4-5 guys, but the Nationals have the $ if they want to keep Harper, the Orioles keeping Machado may be pushing it, but there are also multiple teams who can break the bank on Otani. I can't possibly see the Sox going after Harper or Machado, but if they're not overly concerned with the luxury tax limit, they're not really in that bad of a spot. As long as they stay under this year, which they probably will, they should be ok Otani is only getting around 5 million maximum due to the international minor league free agency rules. Yea, forgot that he is passing up the $ to get over here early. Curious to see where he ends up if $ isn't technically an aspect of it. Obviously puts the west coast teams in play |
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Post by ryan24 on May 31, 2017 6:23:09 GMT -5
I think with the egos of the owners and the resources in the big five that most of these big FA's will have a very limited market. The yanks, the dodgers, and the sox have all gotten burned on big long term contract dead money. Is the market numbers of 250 to 400 mil generated by Boris and the media? Even the phils and the angels have been stung. To win the WS you need power pitching, great defense, and timely hitting. Pitching I would think has a higher priority. I think the bar is set now at price numbers, 30/yr for elite pitchers. Assuming he continues along sales is in that category. His window is not too far diff than the window with harper and clay. What is the bar at for an elite position player? mid 20's 7 yrs? If you are the sox do you want to keep betts or sign harper? Do you spend on XB or spend more on Manny? The cap has not and will not change a lot in relationship to the projected salary numbers. Hanley's 20 mil number is only 10% of the total versus a 40 mil number for say harper which would be 20% of the cap. Still got to pay 39 other guys. How all these pieces fit together will be something to see. Salaries and the salary structure for each team will be quite different. The yanks are not going to want to get caught again with what they have gone thru in the past 5 years, with old declining players with big salaries. Harper and manny at 35 to 40 a piece on the yanks would tie up 35 to 40% of the total cap and have the impact 4 or 5 yrs down the road as essentially dead money.
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Post by jdb on May 31, 2017 7:16:22 GMT -5
At this rate do we think Hanley will pass his team physical that's required along with the 1050 PAs to vest his option?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 31, 2017 7:20:52 GMT -5
At this rate do we think Hanley will pass his team physical that's required along with the 1050 PAs to vest his option? I could see the Sox releasing Hanley next year before the option vests. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 31, 2017 11:28:36 GMT -5
At this rate do we think Hanley will pass his team physical that's required along with the 1050 PAs to vest his option? I could see the Sox releasing Hanley next year before the option vests. I'd be stunned and it'd be a terrible decision. He's still a league-average-to-better hitter, even for a DH (not to be confused with replacement level). If you figure he gets about 600 PAs this year, like he did last year, he's only going to need 450 next year to trigger that part of the vesting option - in other words, if he doesn't hit the DL, they'd need to cut him 2/3 of the way through the season at latest to keep that part from triggering, and they'd be paying him to play for the minimum elsewhere by doing so. Cutting him in bad faith would also (a) almost certainly lead to a grievance from the players' union (for good reason) and (b) almost certainly hurt them in negotiations with other free agents in the future. It's just not a realistic option. |
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Post by Guidas on May 31, 2017 12:15:50 GMT -5
I think with the egos of the owners and the resources in the big five that most of these big FA's will have a very limited market. The yanks, the dodgers, and the sox have all gotten burned on big long term contract dead money. Is the market numbers of 250 to 400 mil generated by Boris and the media? Even the phils and the angels have been stung. To win the WS you need power pitching, great defense, and timely hitting. Pitching I would think has a higher priority. I think the bar is set now at price numbers, 30/yr for elite pitchers. Assuming he continues along sales is in that category. His window is not too far diff than the window with harper and clay. What is the bar at for an elite position player? mid 20's 7 yrs? If you are the sox do you want to keep betts or sign harper? Do you spend on XB or spend more on Manny? The cap has not and will not change a lot in relationship to the projected salary numbers. Hanley's 20 mil number is only 10% of the total versus a 40 mil number for say harper which would be 20% of the cap. Still got to pay 39 other guys. How all these pieces fit together will be something to see. Salaries and the salary structure for each team will be quite different. The yanks are not going to want to get caught again with what they have gone thru in the past 5 years, with old declining players with big salaries. Harper and manny at 35 to 40 a piece on the yanks would tie up 35 to 40% of the total cap and have the impact 4 or 5 yrs down the road as essentially dead money. Nearly every year we say this and nearly every year the owners defy logic. With Haper, Machado, Kershaw and Donaldson on the FA maket, some of them just won't be able to help themselves. Again. Some others in that same free agent year include (with potential opt out candidates: Yasmani Grandal, Elvis Andrus (opt out), David Price (opt out), Joe Mauer, Jean Segura, Charlie Blackmon, Jason Heyward, Dallas Keuchel, Andrew Miller. I'm not saying all these guys are All Stars, but teams will be spending big. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 5, 2017 14:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 0:52:47 GMT -5
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