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Post by James Dunne on Jun 12, 2017 8:42:26 GMT -5
6/12 Red Sox (RHP Rick Porcello 3-8, 4.46, 80.2 IP, 78K:16BB) vs. Phillies (RHP Jerad Eickhoff 0-7, 5.15, 64.2 IP, 57K:25BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/13 Red Sox (LHP David Price 1-1, 5.29, 17.0 IP, 15K:7BB) vs. Phillies (RHP Ben Lively 1-1, 2.57, 14.0 IP, 3K:5BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 12, 2017 8:44:47 GMT -5
Of 85 qualified pitchers, Rick Porcello is 71st in ground ball %.
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Post by jmei on Jun 12, 2017 8:56:10 GMT -5
Of 85 qualified pitchers, Rick Porcello is 71st in ground ball %. Hitters are hitting .395 and slugging .667 versus his sinker/two-seamer this year, per BrooksBaseball. Relatedly, he's throwing that pitch a career-low 32% of the time.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 12, 2017 10:08:37 GMT -5
Of 85 qualified pitchers, Rick Porcello is 71st in ground ball %. Hitters are hitting .395 and slugging .667 versus his sinker/two-seamer this year, per BrooksBaseball. Relatedly, he's throwing that pitch a career-low 32% of the time. Is there somewhere that has the metrics that breaks down vs. his groundball rate with men on vs. out of the wind-up? No doubt this is linked to mechanics or a "feel" thing that pitchers often mention with regard to commanding a certain pitch. He had some luck last year but he is living up in the zone more this year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2017 10:53:30 GMT -5
Hitters are hitting .395 and slugging .667 versus his sinker/two-seamer this year, per BrooksBaseball. Relatedly, he's throwing that pitch a career-low 32% of the time. Is there somewhere that has the metrics that breaks down vs. his groundball rate with men on vs. out of the wind-up? No doubt this is linked to mechanics or a "feel" thing that pitchers often mention with regard to commanding a certain pitch. He had some luck last year but he is living up in the zone more this year. Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+ --- 13 200 193 9 65 17 1 9 0 0 7 43 6.14 .337 .360 .575 .935 111 0 0 0 0 0 5 .397 121 154 Men On 13 158 147 36 39 6 0 5 5 2 9 35 3.89 .265 .310 .408 .718 60 8 1 0 1 1 1 .315 73 88 www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=porceri01&year=2017&t=pFrom our stats page: www.soxprospects.com/stats/pitching.php?split=0&page=1&sortby=RCa&team=111&year=2017&type=3&min=0Empty: 35.9% GB rate Men on: 36.9% GB rate So he's been way better with runners on, but the BIP numbers don't change much. However, his BABIP against with bases empty is .397 (vs. .315 with men on), with no discernable difference in BIP numbers, so some of it (but not all, given the HR numbers and general power numbers against), might be BABIP luck. Also interesting is that all of his GIDP have come with runners on.
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Post by Coreno on Jun 12, 2017 11:41:11 GMT -5
Also interesting is that all of his GIDP have come with runners on.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 12, 2017 13:37:21 GMT -5
Is there somewhere that has the metrics that breaks down vs. his groundball rate with men on vs. out of the wind-up? No doubt this is linked to mechanics or a "feel" thing that pitchers often mention with regard to commanding a certain pitch. He had some luck last year but he is living up in the zone more this year. Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+ --- 13 200 193 9 65 17 1 9 0 0 7 43 6.14 .337 .360 .575 .935 111 0 0 0 0 0 5 .397 121 154 Men On 13 158 147 36 39 6 0 5 5 2 9 35 3.89 .265 .310 .408 .718 60 8 1 0 1 1 1 .315 73 88 www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=porceri01&year=2017&t=pFrom our stats page: www.soxprospects.com/stats/pitching.php?split=0&page=1&sortby=RCa&team=111&year=2017&type=3&min=0Empty: 35.9% GB rate Men on: 36.9% GB rate So he's been way better with runners on, but the BIP numbers don't change much. However, his BABIP against with bases empty is .397 (vs. .315 with men on), with no discernable difference in BIP numbers, so some of it (but not all, given the HR numbers and general power numbers against), might be BABIP luck. Also interesting is that all of his GIDP have come with runners on.The most awesome sentence of the day. Thanks - I agree, it's likely all BABIP luck. I just wondered if he was more effective out of the stretch.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 12, 2017 13:57:28 GMT -5
Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+ --- 13 200 193 9 65 17 1 9 0 0 7 43 6.14 .337 .360 .575 .935 111 0 0 0 0 0 5 .397 121 154 Men On 13 158 147 36 39 6 0 5 5 2 9 35 3.89 .265 .310 .408 .718 60 8 1 0 1 1 1 .315 73 88 www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=porceri01&year=2017&t=pFrom our stats page: www.soxprospects.com/stats/pitching.php?split=0&page=1&sortby=RCa&team=111&year=2017&type=3&min=0Empty: 35.9% GB rate Men on: 36.9% GB rate So he's been way better with runners on, but the BIP numbers don't change much. However, his BABIP against with bases empty is .397 (vs. .315 with men on), with no discernable difference in BIP numbers, so some of it (but not all, given the HR numbers and general power numbers against), might be BABIP luck. Also interesting is that all of his GIDP have come with runners on.The most awesome sentence of the day. Thanks - I agree, it's likely all BABIP luck. I just wondered if he was more effective out of the stretch. I actually don't think it's all BABIP luck. .238 ISOp vs .143 ISOp out of the stretch says he is, in fact, getting hit harder from the windup. My point was more that doesn't account for the full difference in outcomes.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 12, 2017 14:25:09 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8685/Moutsakas is having an oulier 2o17. He's going to get a good return --.869ops/ 17 hr's -- for KC but prob. not until the deadline. Could approach his career HR total 22 in first half. 3B' Probably cost too much, but let's see...\ What's Pablo doing tonight?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2017 15:05:23 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8685/Moutsakas is having an oulier 2o17. He's going to get a good return --.869ops/ 17 hr's -- for KC but prob. not until the deadline. Could approach his career HR total 22 in first half. 3B' Probably cost too much, but let's see...\ What's Pablo doing tonight? Warming the bench again. Looks like he's about done to me.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 12, 2017 15:35:48 GMT -5
The most awesome sentence of the day. Thanks - I agree, it's likely all BABIP luck. I just wondered if he was more effective out of the stretch. I actually don't think it's all BABIP luck. .238 ISOp vs .143 ISOp out of the stretch says he is, in fact, getting hit harder from the windup. My point was more that doesn't account for the full difference in outcomes. Got it. I have a working, non-data based theory that every pitcher should ditch the wind-up, anyway.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2017 16:15:59 GMT -5
I actually don't think it's all BABIP luck. .238 ISOp vs .143 ISOp out of the stretch says he is, in fact, getting hit harder from the windup. My point was more that doesn't account for the full difference in outcomes. Got it. I have a working, non-data based theory that every pitcher should ditch the wind-up, anyway. Relevant info from 108 Stitches today: Let's hope this doesn't linger much longer. He should at least ditch it until it can be fixed.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 12, 2017 16:32:00 GMT -5
The llast place Phils. Let's not play down to our competition here. Win all 4.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 12, 2017 16:57:44 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8685/Moutsakas is having an oulier 2o17. He's going to get a good return --.869ops/ 17 hr's -- for KC but prob. not until the deadline. Could approach his career HR total 22 in first half. 3B' Probably cost too much, but let's see...\ What's Pablo doing tonight? Warming the bench again. Looks like he's about done to me. Imo, Pablo has however many days until Sam Travis can get promoted again. At that point he should be DFA'D. If Hanley isn't hitting still within the next week, the Sox should think about giving Travis regular at bats at the DH, while splitting time with Moreland.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 12, 2017 18:25:49 GMT -5
Lovely start Ricky
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 12, 2017 18:27:10 GMT -5
Porcello throwing cheese early on, NBA Finals it is.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 12, 2017 18:27:25 GMT -5
Phony Porcello
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 12, 2017 18:28:28 GMT -5
WTF Porcello.
When is Groome coming off the DL?
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 12, 2017 18:28:37 GMT -5
Rick Porcello sucks.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 12, 2017 18:28:43 GMT -5
I'll actually take more of the sidebar NESN if you don't mind.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 12, 2017 18:44:17 GMT -5
Letting your opponent score 4 runs with 2 outs. Leaving the leadoff double on base. Yeah, you deserve losing!
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 12, 2017 19:19:32 GMT -5
Mookie was due for one of those...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 12, 2017 19:27:51 GMT -5
Have a game Benny boy.
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Post by wesmantooth on Jun 12, 2017 19:30:07 GMT -5
And there is Hanley to end the rally...
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 12, 2017 19:52:57 GMT -5
Terrible baserunning decision.
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