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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 13, 2017 17:35:25 GMT -5
Jordan Wren -- who they drafted last year.
Give him $100.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 13, 2017 17:39:58 GMT -5
Power arms. What a novel concept? Maybe, DD isn't quite as dumb as many genius's on here think. So drafting guys that throw hard is the recipe for success? Good for DD for unlocking that secret.
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Post by danr on Jun 13, 2017 17:43:35 GMT -5
Jordan Wren is Frank Wren's son, drafted in the 36th round last year.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 13, 2017 17:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 13, 2017 17:47:36 GMT -5
Jordan Wren, Senior Sign Nepotism pick Hopefully he's better than Haywood Sullivan's son.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 13, 2017 18:00:16 GMT -5
Jordan Wren, Senior Sign Nepotism pick Hopefully he's better than Haywood Sullivan's son. and Ted William's son.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 13, 2017 18:02:49 GMT -5
Hopefully he's better than Haywood Sullivan's son. and Ted William's son. He's breathing so that's a start
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 13, 2017 18:19:42 GMT -5
I don't get the Esplin pick. I don't see a high school guy signing at or below slot in the seventh round. Especially when he's got a commitment to a strong school like he does. Either they think they can make the money work somehow or this feels like a wasted pick. They've signed high schoolers at or below slot in the 5th round or later before, and they sign plenty for 100k or less after the 10th. Marrero was underslot in the 8th last year, Rusconi was at slot in the 5th in 2015, Jordon Austin in the 6th in 2013 got slot. If you find a kid that has no intention of going to college, he'll probably take slot to start his career. A kid that went to IMG is probably signaling something - that's basically a vocational school for baseball.
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Post by aboynamedkimandrew on Jun 13, 2017 18:56:09 GMT -5
Jordan Wren, Senior Sign Nepotism pick Hopefully he's better than Haywood Sullivan's son. The only question is whether they round up his signing bonus so he can get one of those Pick 2 specials at McDonald's.
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Post by cutz on Jun 13, 2017 19:00:23 GMT -5
Christopher Crawford Red Sox third-round pick Brett Netzer is a guy who can do a little bit of everything. Could be a nifty utility player. Brett Netzer @brettnetzer 1 min. A blessing from God. Baseball is very important to me, but a relationship with Jesus Christ is EVERYTHING! Matthew 16:26 #GoSoxIs it okay if I roll my eyes? I say yes. ONLY because i did too>LOL
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2017 19:05:09 GMT -5
Wow Tyler Esplin is a big guy for the OF, 6'3'' 230 pounds at 17 years old. Maybe in a couple of years he can grow into Aaron Judge 2.0.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2017 19:06:43 GMT -5
Jordan Wren, Senior Sign Nepotism pick Hopefully he's better than Haywood Sullivan's son. Or Whitey Ford's son, Eddie
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 13, 2017 19:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by cutz on Jun 13, 2017 19:20:40 GMT -5
Back to back years the Sox pick a guy from IMG after Groome last year. Actually Groome graduated from Barneget HS in NJ. Went ther for 3 years. I think he only went to IMG for one year?(JR. season) Not that it matters.
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Post by rominelettuce on Jun 13, 2017 19:47:39 GMT -5
Logan Allen was also drafted out of IMG.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 13, 2017 20:07:11 GMT -5
Is it okay if I roll my eyes? I say yes. ONLY because i did too>LOL The kid was probably overwhelmed by being selected and realizing his dream. Why lol at his reactions?
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 13, 2017 20:18:10 GMT -5
When does day three start tomorrow?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 13, 2017 20:44:13 GMT -5
When does day three start tomorrow? 12pm
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Post by ramireja on Jun 13, 2017 21:20:46 GMT -5
Some Day 2 thoughts: - I thought this was a great day of drafting. Through Round 10 we've drafted 4 guys who are in the Top 100 for each of MLB, Baseball America, and Perfect Game. In fact, according to MLB, those 4 guys are all in their Top 75. By comparison, Jay Groome was the only player we drafted last year who ranked in the Top 100 of all three of those pubs (although Chatham, Dalbec, and Shawaryn weren't far off). Likewise, in 2015, only Benintendi was a unanimous top 100 guy (we didn't have a 2nd round pick though). Its important to take these rankings with a grain of salt, but this haul outperforms the past couple of years on paper. - My sense is that this year is similar to last year, in that the vast majority of our cap space will spent in the first 10 rounds with little savings to allocate after Round 10. I get the sense that Dombrowski (or Rikard), try not to get too cute and prefer to go after the guys they want right away. Its certainly Dave's approach in the majors with free agency and the trade market, and I think it spills over to the draft. So that said, I'd expect extra cap space and senior sign savings to go to Alex Scherff and perhaps Jake Thompson's bonuses. If so, it would look pretty similar to last year when we went overslot in Rounds 4 and 5 for Dalbec and Shawaryn, respectively. Heck, even Schellenger resembles Nogosek as a pure reliever profile in the 6th inning. There are some definite similarities to last year. - Brett Netzer seemed to be the least popular pick today. KATOH is far from a foolproof statistical method, but its worth noting that Netzer ranked #52 in the KATOH rankings among draft-eligible college players. Further, his ranking was #2 among players listed as 2B (I'm unsure if any SS types ranked ahead of him profile longterm as 2B) behind only Keston Hiura. He actually ranked ahead of guys like Jake Burger, Evan White, and Stuart Fairchild for what its worth. It might not be the sexiest pick, but the guy doesn't strike out much and hits for solid averages with a little pop. Looking forward to more tomorrow although I'm not expecting any fireworks.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 13, 2017 22:54:48 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jun 14, 2017 0:23:23 GMT -5
Nice nuggets in here and quotes from Rickard. I had assumed Jake Thompson would get a shot as a starter, but it seems like the Sox will discuss his path as a starter or reliever before making a determination.
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Post by bnich on Jun 14, 2017 6:56:16 GMT -5
Jordan Wren -- who they drafted last year. Give him $100. Was he even really worth a 10th round pick?! Outside of this pick, I really like what they did on Day 2 and overall through the first 10 rounds.
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 14, 2017 7:17:31 GMT -5
Jordan Wren -- who they drafted last year. Give him $100. Was he even really worth a 10th round pick?! Outside of this pick, I really like what they did on Day 2 and overall through the first 10 rounds. You have comfort that he's not going to screw you on the slot savings. If slot is $135k or so and you want to save money, they probably know he'll sign for $10k. You could grab a better Senior and hope he signs for $10k or $20k but if he doesn't (albeit unlikely) then you lose the slot all together and can't save any money for other picks. I think the comfort of knowing he'll likely sign for peanuts offsets the risk in taking a slightly better player who is still a longshot to make an impact down the road.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 14, 2017 8:17:35 GMT -5
Yeah I worded that poorly. I mean more that teams learned their lesson from him. But teams don't learn, so maybe not. I think it works better if Appel fell apart before that 2nd draft instead of after. Right, but he didn't. And it's instructive that he didn't, because (on average) good college pitchers will probably improve some to be slightly better college pitchers, but they might not be good pros regardless of which year they sign. Staying for an extra year at Stanford didn't make his command less consistent. He had the same problem that he had a year earlier, Houston just thought he'd done enough improving in other areas to take that risk, and they had the pool money to make sure that signability was no concern. There are a lot of takes in baseball that I don't like, but "he should just sign" (which wasn't the original poster's take, so this isn't a shot at him) is my least favorite. People who don't give a damn about these kid's livelihoods and just want them to play for their favorite team pretending that their own sports-centered selfishness is actually sound financial advice is silly. It's totally fine to want a talented dude to sign with your team, but the "if you're not signing you're making a big mistake" attitude I see a lot is so disingenuous. If the next Mark Appel enjoys Stanford and thinks he can get more money by staying there another year, who is anyone else to tell him otherwise? ----- Rant aside, this has been a good draft for the Red Sox. Between Houck, Brannen, and Scherff, and with Daniel Flores coming in next month, the Top 20 is looking more like you expect it to look depth-wise. If Devers and Travis both do graduate this year (I'd give that like a 10% chance and a 50% chance, respectively), the top is going to be quite thin, but the players at 10 and 20 will be right about what you expect there.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 14, 2017 9:23:15 GMT -5
Was he even really worth a 10th round pick?! Outside of this pick, I really like what they did on Day 2 and overall through the first 10 rounds. You have comfort that he's not going to screw you on the slot savings. If slot is $135k or so and you want to save money, they probably know he'll sign for $10k. You could grab a better Senior and hope he signs for $10k or $20k but if he doesn't (albeit unlikely) then you lose the slot all together and can't save any money for other picks. I think the comfort of knowing he'll likely sign for peanuts offsets the risk in taking a slightly better player who is still a longshot to make an impact down the road. Given that they've been able to sign the likes of Ben Taylor and Kyle Martin for $10k, and Mike Miller for $5k, they could've found someone. They've been great at identifying good signings in the college senior spots under this draft structure - add guys like Ryan Scott, Mitch Gunsolus, and Taylor Grover as guys who have been useful org guys even if they never set foot on an MLB field. I really hope this turns into a microbonus of like $1k, like JT Watkins got as a 10th round nepotism pick. It's not going to ruin the draft or anything if he gets $10k or $20k, but I'll be shaking my head every time I look at the bonus if he gets that, as I'm sure that one of their area guys could've given them the name of a better senior who was willing to take $10k to sign.
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