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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 6, 2017 8:50:54 GMT -5
That deal wouldn't be worth it for the Sox. It's a marginal gain for spending more money and losing Buttrey let alone Buttrey and Mars when we could just jettison Young and call up Brentz or a little later, Castillo and not lose a potential closer prospect.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 6, 2017 18:29:20 GMT -5
I just don't agree. They could have called up Brentz all year and haven't. Bruce is a proven slugger. With our pitching and offense, a couple of well timed HRs could be huge in Sept/Oct.
Getting Bruce for a couple months is well worth the money and Buttrey. For a team that's goal is a title. I want a player good enough that he could start a game or two in October if we had an injury or a player was slumping bad. Bruce is that type of player, Brentz and Castillo aren't those type of players. I love the idea of having a big-time HR threat on the bench.
As a Bonus for his career Bruce is brutal in July and August, but is very good in Sept/Oct.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2017 18:40:21 GMT -5
October is the key. You could say the difference in WAR is this or that, but it doesn't measure if the guy comes up big (or small) in the post-season where everything is magnified.
Unless the Red Sox totally botch the rest of the season I would anticipate they'll make the playoffs whether it's as division winners or a wild card entry.
It's really all about October and building a team that has the best chance for 11 (or if need be 12) victories.
I'd like to see the Sox get Bruce. We don't know how healthy Hanley will be. That monster 2nd half he had last year isn't happening. Moreland has a track record of being mediocre.
If they can somehow squeeze Bruce in without giving up too much or going over the luxury tax they most definitely should.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2017 18:45:10 GMT -5
I just don't agree. They could have called up Brentz all year and haven't. Bruce is a proven slugger. With our pitching and offense, a couple of well timed HRs could be huge in Sept/Oct. Getting Bruce for a couple months is well worth the money and Buttrey. For a team that's goal is a title. I want a player good enough that he could start a game or two in October if we had an injury or a player was slumping bad. Bruce is that type of player, Brentz and Castillo aren't those type of players. I love the idea of having a big-time HR threat on the bench. As a Bonus for his career Bruce is brutal in July and August, but is very good in Sept/Oct. No, they couldn't have called up Brentz without a permanent, irrevocable commitment to him over Young. No one wants to do that. Once he was out of options, he wasn't going to arrive here until September or until Young or another OFer suffered a more or less season-ending injury. (And note that the peremptory move from Young to Brentz would have left them without anyone to fill the 4th OF role should they have then suffered such an injury.)
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2017 19:04:29 GMT -5
October is the key. You could say the difference in WAR is this or that, but it doesn't measure if the guy comes up big (or small) in the post-season where everything is magnified. Unless the Red Sox totally botch the rest of the season I would anticipate they'll make the playoffs whether it's as division winners or a wild card entry. It's really all about October and building a team that has the best chance for 11 (or if need be 12) victories. I'd like to see the Sox get Bruce. We don't know how healthy Hanley will be. That monster 2nd half he had last year isn't happening. Moreland has a track record of being mediocre. If they can somehow squeeze Bruce in without giving up too much or going over the luxury tax they most definitely should. Bruce should fit under the tax limit if acquired just before the 9/1 deadline for playoff eligibility. The Mets play a day game on 8/31, and it's game 132, and 30 / 162 * $13M = $2.4M, less than the estimates of $2.64M remaining. If indeed the math works that way. He'd be a great September and possible October piece. If Young has a great August, you might leave Brentz off the September roster and use his 40-man spot for Bruce. Or you could create an extra spot by putting someone like Taylor on the 60-day DL. I'm all for it if the price is minimal. Buttrey would break the MLB rule (22.22) that says you can't trade the majority of your actual relief-pitching prospects in the span of ten weeks. However, Kyle Martin would work, since he's one of the three guys you'd be DFAing the next day to add Beeks, Brentz, and ideally Carson Smith. Add Justin Haley or a lottery ticket from the guys ranked below him. The problem is, the Mets should be shopping to move him earlier.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 6, 2017 19:10:38 GMT -5
I just don't agree. They could have called up Brentz all year and haven't. Bruce is a proven slugger. With our pitching and offense, a couple of well timed HRs could be huge in Sept/Oct. Getting Bruce for a couple months is well worth the money and Buttrey. For a team that's goal is a title. I want a player good enough that he could start a game or two in October if we had an injury or a player was slumping bad. Bruce is that type of player, Brentz and Castillo aren't those type of players. I love the idea of having a big-time HR threat on the bench. As a Bonus for his career Bruce is brutal in July and August, but is very good in Sept/Oct. No, they couldn't have called up Brentz without a permanent, irrevocable commitment to him over Young. No one wants to do that. Once he was out of options, he wasn't going to arrive here until September or until Young or another OFer suffered a more or less season-ending injury. (And note that the peremptory move from Young to Brentz would have left them without anyone to fill the 4th OF role should they have then suffered such an injury.) Eric those are reason why they might not have called him up. They easily could have called him up. If you think Brentz is the type of hitter you want getting AB in the postseason there is no worry. Chris Young is having a really bad year. Thing is Brentz is just a depth guy having a good year.
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Post by taftreign on Aug 9, 2017 21:09:54 GMT -5
Bruce finally has a landing spot.
Jeff PassanVerified account @jeffpassan
Source: Indians finalizing a deal to acquire Jay Bruce. Cleveland taking on all of Bruce's salary. @jcrasnick first on it being close.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 9, 2017 21:13:37 GMT -5
Posted this on the non Sox trade deadline thread too, probably at the same moment you posted this. The Sox are done now, except for adding players to the 40 man roster from the minors. No doubt about that now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 9, 2017 23:55:02 GMT -5
It's too bad that the Sox couldn't get Bruce. They probably wouldn't have been able to deal for him until the end of August given where the pro-ration of his salary is at and what they have left until they hit the limit.
Worse, he went to a team that might possibly play against the Sox in the post-season. Cleveland is a really good team. I'm not sure if he remains in the lineup if Brantley comes back, unless Brantley can handle RF, which would bump out Chisenhall.
It's too bad. I think Bruce could have helped the Sox, especially with Hanley scuffling and dealing with injuries.
At this point I think the only player that I have interest in for the bench would be Daniel Nava. Otherwise I'd say the Red Sox are all set. Maybe Bryce Brentz can be given a bit of an opportunity in September and give the Sox a little of what Bruce has been this year. If Brentz' improvement is real, he can be a RH power bat off the bench and/or maybe get some DH ABs.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 10, 2017 1:26:42 GMT -5
Yeah I imagine Bruce stays in the lineup for the duration of his stay in Cleveland. Chisenhall is more of a bench player ideally.
Pedrioa should be getting a huge bulk of DH time in season. In the playoffs, the Sox should just make Nunez the DH and platoon Moreland and Hanley at first base. Hanley has been useless this season except for the once in a while homerun.
I don't expect the Sox to give Brentz any meaningful at bats in September, that's if he's even added to the 40 man roster.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2017 1:28:32 GMT -5
They got Bruce for almost nothing. 22 year old Ryder Ryan. A 2016 30th round draft pick. Doing so so in low A at 22. Does have nice strikeout numbers though.
Has anyone noticed what Duda has done for Tampa? Let's just say he has been like Nunez for us. Too bad we couldn't get either player for what they were traded for.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 10, 2017 6:33:43 GMT -5
They got Bruce for almost nothing. 22 year old Ryder Ryan. A 2016 30th round draft pick. Doing so so in low A at 22. Does have nice strikeout numbers though. Has anyone noticed what Duda has done for Tampa? Let's just say he has been like Nunez for us. Too bad we couldn't get either player for what they were traded for. They got Bruce because they paid his entire salary, which the Red Sox had no chance at matching.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 10, 2017 10:26:04 GMT -5
The Red Sox did not get Bruce because Brentz gives them the exact same insurance policy at a much cheaper (salary) cost. If CY goes down, Brentz is up and everything is fine. And they even have Rusney Castillo if they really want to pay money for their insurance policy. Indians really didn't have similar depth options after Brantley as far as I can tell.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 10, 2017 12:11:49 GMT -5
They got Bruce for almost nothing. 22 year old Ryder Ryan. A 2016 30th round draft pick. Doing so so in low A at 22. Does have nice strikeout numbers though. Has anyone noticed what Duda has done for Tampa? Let's just say he has been like Nunez for us. Too bad we couldn't get either player for what they were traded for. They got Bruce because they paid his entire salary, which the Red Sox had no chance at matching. Yup, it was all about the money. hashtag Wilpons
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 10, 2017 12:13:18 GMT -5
They got Bruce because they paid his entire salary, which the Red Sox had no chance at matching. Yup, it was all about the money. hashtag Wilpons Thanks, I just guessed, but this is what the Mets always do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2017 13:53:46 GMT -5
What a messed up trade deadline. Cleveland and Tampa are picking up good sluggers for almost nothing because they are willing and able to pay 3-5 million.
Red Sox have no money to spend. Yankees are willing to trade more prospects to save a few million.
Well somethings always stay the same, the Mets are a joke. In the biggest market in the Country and acting cheap once again. I feel bad for the Fans, they deserve better. Look what they got for Duda, Reed and Bruce. Most likely they could have doubled there return if they were willing to eat 5-10 million. That's what big market teams do.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 10, 2017 14:20:14 GMT -5
At least the Mets kept Bruce away from the Yankees. That's the only thing we can thank them for.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 10, 2017 14:52:52 GMT -5
It's great the Yankees didn't get him, but Cleveland did. They worry me more when thinking about playoffs.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 10, 2017 21:16:32 GMT -5
It's great the Yankees didn't get him, but Cleveland did. They worry me more when thinking about playoffs. Yeah, especially if the playoffs are low-scoring/close. Even solo HR can be real difference-makers when it's tough to string together 4-5 base runners.
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