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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 15, 2017 6:42:00 GMT -5
I don't care that it's a little early, July is almost here and this team needs to do something but cannot afford a big move. Because they won't (hopefully), be in on big names the deadline might be a little less exciting but it's also why it may be more interesting. This team is capable of winning a World Series but it needs both internal improvement (looking at you Porcello) and some outside help.
What do people think are the needs this team needs to fill and do they need to do it via trade?
My list:
1. Third base - far and away the biggest need. My god it's bad. They need someone they can just play the damn position at an average major league level. Do you call up Devers, at some point, and try to hit a home run? Or do you make a somewhat minor"ish" trade for a guy not playing great but you hope a change of scenery will do him well. Like they did with Aaron Hill last year but hopefully with better results.
2. Back end starter - it's really annoying this is a need but they need someone who can take the call every 5th day if necessary and give them a fighting chance to win games. Can't trust Pomeranz, Rodriguez is already hurt, Johnson is hurting again... it's getting dire. If Price doesn't hold up, then just forget the season.
3. Relief pitching - not sure this is realistic. I think ideally Thornburg miraculously makes it back (Smith isn't going to). They really need a compliment for Kimbrel and that guy will probably be too expensive but they can take a chance on a guy and hope he catches fire for the right price. Or hope Kelly grows into a guy you can trust in high leverage spots comfortably.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 15, 2017 6:44:53 GMT -5
Brian Johnson doesn't think his injury is serious. I think the Sox can manage there until Eduardo comes back.
I'm not opposed to adding a Pat Neshek for minimal cost at the deadline, but only if the cost to acquire him isn't all that great. Other then that, we all await the return of Carson Smith back soon enough.
I don't think Thronburg will throw a pitch this season. He has been recently shut down again as of yesterday as said by Farrell.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 15, 2017 6:51:38 GMT -5
It's third base. All third base. I made a Mike Moustakas trade thread a month ago expressing my desire to upgrade here and I think he's the best player and fit (the combination of defense and left handed power).
In one sense, you're denting the system by possibly trading a couple top 20 guys in the system for a rental. In another sense, you're helping the system because you're not rushing Devers development by promoting him this year.
If the Moustakas trade market gets ridiculous then find a cheaper alternative (Plouffe, Frazier) and promote Devers sometime late in the year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 15, 2017 7:00:52 GMT -5
Is there any reason to think Smith even takes the mound this year? And if he does how can anyone think he'd be any good with all the time off?
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Post by Coreno on Jun 15, 2017 7:22:25 GMT -5
Is there any reason to think Smith even takes the mound this year? And if he does how can anyone think he'd be any good with all the time off? The fact that he's close to throwing rehab games..? Are you sure you don't have he and Thornburg mixed up? Smith is much closer to the Sox pen at this point. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 15, 2017 7:38:47 GMT -5
Is there any reason to think Smith even takes the mound this year? He was scheduled to throw a simulated game yesterday. I haven't heard anything, so I'm hoping to see something in Speier's newsletter. Ideally he would be back a couple weeks before the deadline to establish himself before they make a move outside the organization, but that might be aggressive. He's simply a very good pitcher when healthy. He has a 2.11 career FIP and 194 ERA+, so there's a lot of room for him to be less good but still good. There's a Rich Hill-like aspect to Smith. The injury history makes me worried about the dependability, but honestly I have no worries about the quality of work when he's actually able to take the mound. |
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Post by radiohix on Jun 15, 2017 8:06:40 GMT -5
Re: Carson Smith
He's scheduled to pitch a sim game today in Phili.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 15, 2017 8:16:06 GMT -5
That's encouraging
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Post by nomar on Jun 15, 2017 8:53:13 GMT -5
I don't want any relief pitching trades. We get burned every time by them and our relief pitching has been passable. Just try to get Smith healthy and hope someone like Taylor, Callahan, or Buttrey emerges down the road.
We need a bat though. Hanley is one of the worst DHs in the league and our plethora of 3B disappointments aren't getting the job done.
The problem is our farm is insanely thin. I don't want to trade Devers at all, Groome has been hurt, and he and Ockimey aren't anywhere near what their max value could be IMO.
If we don't really believe in Chavis, he could be a trade chip, and maybe Swihart could be one too if a team is interested, but we don't have much to offer at this point without decimating the farm and stunting this team down the road.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 15, 2017 8:54:24 GMT -5
I don't want any relief pitching trades. We get burned every time by them and our relief pitching has been fine. We need a bat though. Hanley is one of the worst DHs in the league and our plethora of 3B disappointments aren't getting the job done. The problem is our farm is insanely thin. I don't want to trade Devers at all, Groome has been hurt, and he and Ockimey aren't anywhere near what their max value could be IMO. If we don't really believe in Chavis, he could be a trade chip, and maybe Swihart could be one too if a team is interested, but we don't have much to offer at this point without decimating the farm and stunting this team down the road. You cannot replace Hanley without getting rid of him also, making that trade very difficult/awkward. 3B is a way bigger problem. Hanley is a disappointment so far, not a disaster. Also, how likely is it that a new DH hits better than Hanley for the rest of the season? You just never know when he will take off. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 15, 2017 8:57:35 GMT -5
I don't want any relief pitching trades. We get burned every time by them and our relief pitching has been fine. We need a bat though. Hanley is one of the worst DHs in the league and our plethora of 3B disappointments aren't getting the job done. The problem is our farm is insanely thin. I don't want to trade Devers at all, Groome has been hurt, and he and Ockimey aren't anywhere near what their max value could be IMO. If we don't really believe in Chavis, he could be a trade chip, and maybe Swihart could be one too if a team is interested, but we don't have much to offer at this point without decimating the farm and stunting this team down the road. You cannot replace Hanley without getting rid of Hanley also. 3B is a way bigger problem. Hanley is a disappointment so far, not a disaster. Also, how likely is it that a new DH hits better than Hanley for the rest of the season? You just never know when he will take off. I wasn't clear there. I want the bat to be at 3B. I just meant that Hanley is a big reason why the offense is suffering. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 15, 2017 8:58:39 GMT -5
You cannot replace Hanley without getting rid of Hanley also. 3B is a way bigger problem. Hanley is a disappointment so far, not a disaster. Also, how likely is it that a new DH hits better than Hanley for the rest of the season? You just never know when he will take off. I wasn't clear there. I want the bat to be at 3B. I just meant that Hanley is a big reason why the offense is suffering. Sorry, I read that wrong and wrote some horrible sentences in my reply. lol |
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 26, 2017 13:24:45 GMT -5
Passan, writing his weekly 10 Degrees column, expects the market around Gray to intensify over the next month as the trade deadline approaches. He places several contenders -- the Astros, Cubs and Yankees -- squarely in the market for the 27-year-old starter, and writes the Red Sox are a "wild card" in any potential Gray sweepstakes. "The Boston Red Sox have quietly sent some of their most respected evaluators to his last two starts," Passan writes of Gray. "This could fall under standard due diligence, but one source familiar with their intentions said the Red Sox are keen for Gray - and when president Dave Dombrowski targets a player, the price for other teams jumps accordingly." www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/06/boston_red_sox_trade_rumors_da_6.html |
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 26, 2017 13:26:17 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jun 26, 2017 13:30:31 GMT -5
I merged two trade deadline-type threads.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 26, 2017 18:22:03 GMT -5
Which players are most likely to be dealt? I'm assuming some of our high minors relievers are a good bet to go.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 26, 2017 18:37:23 GMT -5
If the A's are willing to move Gray for something like Owens, Johnson or Ball and spare parts I'd be interested. Otherwise his slight build, last couple years performance, and injuries would probably scare me off. I got a feeling DD really likes him though.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 26, 2017 19:23:00 GMT -5
I understand that there's no such thing as too much pitching but I really question whether it's worth giving up a bunch of trade assets on another starter with ERod on the way back.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 26, 2017 19:31:53 GMT -5
Which players are most likely to be dealt? I'm assuming some of our high minors relievers are a good bet to go. Chavis is probably a good bet to go - I think he's the most likely to go as he carries the most value by far that Dombrowski would consider "redundant". Swihart is a possibility. Perhaps Ockimey. I'm kind of dreading the deadline. |
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 26, 2017 19:51:49 GMT -5
Which players are most likely to be dealt? I'm assuming some of our high minors relievers are a good bet to go. Chavis is probably a good bet to go - I think he's the most likely to go as he carries the most value by far that Dombrowski would consider "redundant". Swihart is a possibility. Perhaps Ockimey. I'm kind of dreading the deadline. I think the only two that are better than even money to stay are Devers and Groome. Everybody else could easily get dealt. As far as Swihart, they would be selling at rock bottom. It is annoying to me to that they are back in the market for another reliever. I'd hate to see more assets dealt for the bullpen. I'd love three months of Moustakis but the price would have to be right, and it probably wont be. |
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Post by radiohix on Jun 26, 2017 21:17:05 GMT -5
Honest question: Why everybody seems to think that the Royals will trade Moustakas?
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 26, 2017 21:29:16 GMT -5
Honest question: Why everybody seems to think that the Royals will trade Moustakas? He is FA. Maybe they want to see what they can get at the deadline as opposed a pick next summer. Doubt he resigns there. |
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Post by radiohix on Jun 26, 2017 22:14:11 GMT -5
Honest question: Why everybody seems to think that the Royals will trade Moustakas? He is FA. Maybe they want to see what they can get at the deadline as opposed a pick next summer. Doubt he resigns there. He's their best player annd they're plllaying in a weak division why would they trade him when they have a good shot at the playoffs? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 26, 2017 22:44:54 GMT -5
He is FA. Maybe they want to see what they can get at the deadline as opposed a pick next summer. Doubt he resigns there. He's their best player annd they're plllaying in a weak division why would they trade him when they have a good shot at the playoffs? Yeah he might not be, that's probably a great point to bring up with Moose. The Royals are in such a tough position though. They either risk not trading these guys and getting nothing as they hit free agency or they trade for him and risk contention for the division or wild card this year. If Moose isn't available for the Sox though, that really puts the Sox in a tough spot and they might have to think about making a small move at third and/or think about promoting from within with Devers. Maybe a platoon? That's why the Sox should keep their options open when it comes to bats at the deadline. If Moose isn't available then a guy like JD Martinez should be looked at with the DH and backup outfield position (this was brought up in the trade subforum). A middle of the order bat could really really help this lineup right now. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2017 23:00:01 GMT -5
The Royals had won 11 of their last 13 before losing tonight in order to get back into the race. They're at .500 now and they were 26-34 before the streak started. They have jumped back into contention over two weeks, so that's changed things a lot potentially.
When they were in last, it seemed like a foregone conclusion.
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