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The "blow up the draft cap" theory
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Post by ramireja on Jun 1, 2019 21:37:22 GMT -5
Peep earlier in this thread when we put together a hypothetical draft back in 2017 of taking MLB.com's best player available in Rounds 1-20. Some of those players are actually eligible in this draft including Brady McConnell (projected 2-3 round pick), Greg Jones (projected 1-2 round pick), Jake Mangum (senior sign but Top 200 draft prospect), and Jackson Rutledge (projected top #15 pick).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2019 0:00:54 GMT -5
We have our target, the 2020 draft, best in like ten years. Make a splash!
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Post by orion09 on Jun 2, 2019 10:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by orion09 on Jun 2, 2019 10:47:25 GMT -5
For the number of times this has been discussed and summarily shot down on here, it’s interesting that he got quotes and information from a number of GMs and other front office people, suggesting this is something that most teams have actually seriously discussed. I couldn’t ever see Dombrowski doing this - he definitely seems more traditionalistic, not in a bad way, than a guy like, say, Mike Elias - but, as Passan says, the Red Sox would be a perfect candidate this year.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 2, 2019 11:01:27 GMT -5
I moved these posts over to this dedicated thread on the topic. I might take a peek eventually at the quantity of talent you might be able to acquire with an approach like this.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2019 11:43:35 GMT -5
The thing about Passan way is that he wants to target all the top guys. A much more extreme version of what I was thinking. I was more thinking going after the guys that were going to College unless they got a huge bonus and got picked high. Not trying to convince others to do that. What I was thinking would cause ripples, Passan way would get people to flip a lid if you convinced so many top players in an epic draft to do that. Yet it's an even better way frankly, adding a bunch of truly elite guys.
As the GM said money wouldn't be an issue. Hitting on one or two guys makes it worth it. Nevermind the massive amount of trade power you'd have. The great thing is it's 100% within the rules and only one team will get a chance at doing it, because after you do the rules will get changed. We going to wait around for the Yankees to do it?
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Post by rockymtnsox on Jun 3, 2019 13:30:24 GMT -5
It seems like the biggest issue is it’s basically like trying to shoot the moon in hearts. If one person realizes you’re doing it, the strategy is basically worthless, if not self-destructive.
Passan touches on this, but if you used his strategy, how long before the other teams notice you’re picking up all the guys with the outrageous salary demands? You might trip the alarm with your first pick. Then everybody has to start calling bluffs. Your second round pick would probably be just a player who would have been there already.
The quiet version of this is interesting, and probably could get past most the 10 rounds without detection (or at least until that point where you should start compensating with senior signs. Maybe you could even make people think you’re doing what the Padres did a few years back and putting an intentional squeeze on all the talent. Of course, I think it’s been proven that this strategy wouldn’t be worth the penalties.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2019 14:08:14 GMT -5
It seems like the biggest issue is it’s basically like trying to shoot the moon in hearts. If one person realizes you’re doing it, the strategy is basically worthless, if not self-destructive. Passan touches on this, but if you used his strategy, how long before the other teams notice you’re picking up all the guys with the outrageous salary demands? You might trip the alarm with your first pick. Then everybody has to start calling bluffs. Your second round pick would probably be just a player who would have been there already. The quiet version of this is interesting, and probably could get past most the 10 rounds without detection (or at least until that point where you should start compensating with senior signs. Maybe you could even make people think you’re doing what the Padres did a few years back and putting an intentional squeeze on all the talent. Of course, I think it’s been proven that this strategy wouldn’t be worth the penalties. I think it's a lot more likely that there would be a lot of HS prospects telling teams not to draft them because they got huge above slot offers from that team. This would eventually become very obvious and probably several people would leak that info. Plus teams would probably call some bluffs anyway ruining the whole thing, saying here's slot. Go back to college if you don't like it. Once that info got out, a lot of teams would call bluffs. Definitely agree with you.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 3, 2019 15:19:02 GMT -5
It seems like the biggest issue is it’s basically like trying to shoot the moon in hearts. If one person realizes you’re doing it, the strategy is basically worthless, if not self-destructive. Passan touches on this, but if you used his strategy, how long before the other teams notice you’re picking up all the guys with the outrageous salary demands? You might trip the alarm with your first pick. Then everybody has to start calling bluffs. Your second round pick would probably be just a player who would have been there already. The quiet version of this is interesting, and probably could get past most the 10 rounds without detection (or at least until that point where you should start compensating with senior signs. Maybe you could even make people think you’re doing what the Padres did a few years back and putting an intentional squeeze on all the talent. Of course, I think it’s been proven that this strategy wouldn’t be worth the penalties. Actually, looking back at our hypothetical 2017 draft of taking the best player available (according to MLB.com rankings) in Rounds 1-20, I'm actually thinking the talent you'd receive surpasses the two 1st-round pick penalty (perhaps by a fair margin too). Although I admit its a little too early to have a definitive answer. Whether the strategy is worth the financial costs and how to even conduct that analysis is a different question that I don't have a good answer for though.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 6, 2019 11:37:51 GMT -5
Ok, every year we talk a lot about ‘blowing up the draft’ and spending crazy $ to obtain the best available talent while taking on the penalties (loss of 1st pick in next two drafts) and financial costs (somewhere in the vicinity of $40-$60M to pull off the following). The thing that is tricky about this strategy is that the best talent to drop beyond their rankings are almost exclusively HS players (or other players with signing leverage, i.e., draft eligible sophomores). This would mean largely committing to a demographic with considerable risk of outcomes. Still though, for the past two years I used MLB.com’s rankings to see what a hypothetical draft would look like if 1) you drafted the best player available at our position in each round, 2) went 20 rounds deep. I can’t imagine you’d do this for 30-40 rounds for financial reasons although the talent is there to keep going. You could also use rounds 20-40 to draft college players to fill out rosters where needed. This is what that draft would look like:
1 (43). Matthew Allan (13) – RHP – Seminole HS (FL), Committed to Florida 2 (69). Maurice Hampton (29) – CF – Memphis University School (TN), Committed to LSU 3 (107). Jack Leiter (33) – RHP – Delbarton School (NJ), Committed to Vanderbilt 4 (137). Hunter Barco (34) – LHP – The Bolles School (FL), Committed to Florida 5 (167). Brooks Lee (37) – SS – San Luis Obispo Senior HS (CA), Committed to Cal Poly 6 (197). Bryce Osmond (53) – RHP – Jenks HS (OK), Committed to Oklahoma St. 7 (227). Jerrion Ealy (66) – CF – Jackson Prep School (MS), Committed to Mississippi 8 (257). Spencer Jones (71) – OF/LHP – La Costa Canyon HS (CA), Committed to Vanderbilt 9 (287). Will Rigney (80) – RHP – Midway HS (TX), Committed to Baylor 10 (317). Cornelio Riley (86) – RHP – Pine Creek HS (CO), Committed to TCU 11 (317). Brett Thomas (93) – RHP – Riverwood International (GA), Committed to South Carolina 12 (347). Brennan Milone (94) – SS – Woodstock HS (GA), Committed to South Carolina 13 (377). Chris Newell (96) – OF – Malvern Prep School (PA) Committed to Virginia 14 (437). Cade Doughty (109) – SS – Denham Springs HS (LA), Committed to LSU 15 (467). Alexander McFarlane (115) – RHP – Habersham Central School (GA), Committed to Miami 16 (497). Connor Walsh (117) – SS – Niceville HS (FL), Committed to Ole Miss 17 (527). Carter Rustad (121) – RHP – Staley HS (MO), Committed to San Diego 18 (557). Hayden Dunhurst (123) – C – Pearl River HS (MS), Committed to Mississippi 19 (587). Jonathan French (124) – C – Parkview HS (GA), Committed to Clemson 20 (617). Dylan Eskew (130) – RHP – Sickles HS (FL), Committed to Miami
Other available: Carter Bins (available until 11th round), Sebastian Keane (available until 11th round)
I know this draft doesn't mean a ton at the moment as we simply don't know much about these guys or how good they will be. I do think its an interesting exercise though and that we can check in on these guys in a couple years. Speaking of, when I get a little more time I'm going to revisit the 2017 hypothetical draft.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 20, 2019 12:45:13 GMT -5
Updated list: I think it makes sense to Tanner Houck at the top spot since we picked him over Carlson with presumably no concerns regarding signability. Signability was likely a bigger factor starting in Round 2 with Enlow who is apparently agreeing to a deal worth ~2 mill. 1 (24). Sam Carlson (15) – RHP – Burnsville HS, Committed to Florida.....or.....Tanner Houck (20) - RHP - U. Missouri 2 (63). Blayne Enlow (29) – RHP – St. Amant HS, Committed to LSU 3 (101). Tanner Burns (39) – RHP – Decatur HS, Committed to Auburn 4 (131). Evan Skoug (48) – C – TCU (Junior) 5 (161). Alex Scherff (52) – RHP – Colleyville Heritage HS, Committed to Texas A&M 6 (191). Tristan Beck (53) – RHP – Stanford (Sophomore) 7 (221). Garrett Mitchell (54) – CF – Orange Lutheran HS, Committed to UCLA 8 (251). Daniel Cabrera (55) – CF – Parkview Baptist School, Committed to LSU 9 (281). Blaine Knight (58) – RHP – Arkansas (Sophomore) 10 (311). Jake Eder (66) – LHP – Calvary Christian Academy, Committed to Vanderbilt 11 (341). Bryce Bonnin (74) – RHP – Barbers Hill HS, Committed to Arkansas 12 (371). Brady McConnell (75) – SS – Merritt Island HS, Committed to Florida 13 (401). Kyle Hurt (78) – RHP – Torrey Pines HS, Committed to USC 14 (431). Shane Drohan (80) – LHP – Cardinal Newman HS, Committed to Florida State 15 (461). Greg Jones (84) – SS – Cary HS, Committed to UNC-Wilmington 16 (491). Chris McMahon (100) – RHP – West Chester Rustin HS, Committed to Miami 17 (521). Jake Mangum (102) – CF – Mississippi State (Sophomore) 18 (551). Jackson Rutledge (111) – RHP – Rockwood Summit HS, Committed to Arkansas 19 (581). Kyle Jacobsen (117) – CF – Allatoona HS, Committed to South Carolina 20 (611). Jordan Anderson (118) – CF – James Clemens HS, Committed to Mississippi State Looking at the positions, the problem of roster management becomes more apparent. If we could sign all 20, we'd need to find a home for 12 starting pitchers and 5 CF. If a team were to realistically try and pull this off, you'd probably adjust your board for some positional balance. So I'm definitely the crazy old man talking to himself in this thread but I wanted to post one more time looking back on the 2017 hypothetical draft selecting the best player available (according to MLB rankings) from Rounds 1-20. Next year will be the year that a number of these guys become draft eligible, but there's actually enough here for a preliminary evaluation of talent: Let's ignore Round 1 for the moment because the presumption here is that you obtain a first round talent with your pick and there shouldn't be a great need to go overslot. The question about the approach lies in the excess talent that you're able to obtain in Rounds 2 and beyond. In Rounds 2-20 we have: - Three guys who actually were drafted and signed in 2017. Of those, one was paid like a first rounder (Blayne Enlow - $2.0M bonus) and is ranked by MLB as #9 in a solid MIN system. Scherff is another who is ranked by MLB as #20 in our system. Skoug has been a relative bust. - Two guys who were drafted and signed in 2018. Blaine Knight was selected in the 3rd round (#87 overall) and Tristan Beck in the 4th round (#112 overall). MLB has Knight ranked as Baltimore's #10 prospect and Beck is #14 in a deep Atlanta system. - Four guys drafted and signed (or likely to sign) in 2019. This includes two 1st-round picks: Rutledge (#17 overall, signed for $3.45M) and Greg Jones (#22 overall, signed for $3.02). It also includes a 2nd-round pick that signed for 1st round $ in Brady McConnell (#44 overall, signed for $2.22M). Finally, it includes one of the top-ranked seniors in Jake Mangum who won't have much leverage in the way of a signing bonus but was selected in the 4th round (#118 overall). - Ten guys eligible for the 2020 draft. Obviously, a lot can change in a year, but Fangraphs currently has three guys currently projected as first round picks: Daniel Cabrera (#15 overall), Garrett Mitchell (#20 overall), and Tanner Burns (#22 overall). Chris McMahon (#42) and Jake Eder (#66) are also listed as Top 100 guys and Shane Drohan and Bryce Bonnin make appearances further down the list. Summary: The penalty for the blow-up-the-draft approach beyond the financial ramifications is the loss of two future first round picks. The talent received in this hypothetical draft has already produced two actual first round picks (Rutledge and Jones) in addition to two more guys paid like first round picks (Enlow and McConnell). It has also produced two 4th round picks, a 5th round pick, and a 7th round pick. Further, there are ten guys eligible for next year's draft and there could very well be 2-3 additional 1st round picks in that group. I think it's fair to say that this approach produces enough talent to offset the 1st round pick penalties, especially if that team is expected to draft toward the back end of the round. Lastly, it's also very possible that a team adopting this approach might be able to draft even better players than those listed above using their own scouting resources and identifying talent that was missed by this approach. Whether its worth the financial costs that it would take to sign all of those players in 2017 is a different question altogether.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 20, 2019 13:01:31 GMT -5
Interesting. Good stuff!!
The other question is whether it would've been worth the financial outlay. You're also assuming they all sign and that there was enough playing time for all. If you draft, say, six HS outfielders, that's a playing time issue potentially.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 20, 2019 13:35:09 GMT -5
Interesting. Good stuff!! The other question is whether it would've been worth the financial outlay. You're also assuming they all sign and that there was enough playing time for all. If you draft, say, six HS outfielders, that's a playing time issue potentially. Yeah financially...its hard to estimate how much this would cost. I'd imagine that nearly every player has some figure they would sign for....I'd also imagine that $1.5-$2.0M gets most of these guys signed with maybe a few holding out for $3-4M. Conversely, maybe some are signable for a $1M or just under? We know that Scherff was signable for <$1M. With the taxes this could cost between $45M-$60M....who knows? Regarding the latter point....this hypothetical draft is imperfect in that manner but its just the easiest way to do this (and it isn't that easy to begin with) and I think provides a good approximation of talent. In practice though, a team wanting to do this would A) use their own rankings/draftboard which could be wildly different from MLB's list and potentially better, B) stagger in some college picks, particularly in the first 5 rounds because the HS guys that are going to drop are likely to drop far and can still be available late....this would have the impact of drafting some guys that could play in Salem/Greenville during their first full year and avoid overlap, C) draft across positions a bit better than this approach. That said, you could hypothetically assign guys across Greenville, Lowell, and the GCL so it should be feasible to find playing time for everyone at a level thats roughly appropriate for their talent.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2019 14:50:44 GMT -5
I think it's a mistake to assume that you could sign all of these players at a not-ridiculous price. When the players know the team is blowing up the draft and they really want to go to college, there's nothing stopping any or several or many of them from saying "I want $15 million or I'm going to college." and then actually follow through. They would all know that this is a one time deal where the success is based on signing as many draft picks as possible and would have all of the leverage and the team would have very little.
Also, this seems like a great way for a team to greatly piss off the other 29 teams in the league to the point where it could even affect relationships in future trades.
They wrote the penalties into the CBA likely knowing that they would never be used.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2019 15:30:56 GMT -5
I was talking about in general, not now. You'd have to plan carefully to pull it off for maximum value and would probably get sniped by other teams who saw what they were doing. And the danger I pointed out is clearly possible. Obviously to give up two future 1st round picks for the zero first round picks that they drafted this year would be ridiculously stupid.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 20, 2019 15:33:40 GMT -5
I think it's a mistake to assume that you could sign all of these players at a not-ridiculous price. When the players know the team is blowing up the draft and they really want to go to college, there's nothing stopping any or several or many of them from saying "I want $15 million or I'm going to college." and then actually follow through. They would all know that this is a one time deal where the success is based on signing as many draft picks as possible and would have all of the leverage and the team would have very little. Also, this seems like a great way for a team to greatly piss off the other 29 teams in the league to the point where it could even affect relationships in future trades. They wrote the penalties into the CBA likely knowing that they would never be used. Sure, but then rather than draft 20 players in my hypothetical scenario above, draft 30 guys....offer $1.5M take-it-or-leave-it, and walk away with 20. I think its doable to be quite honest. I think probably only a few of the guys available would need more than say $3M to sign, and if they do...just draft more as a contingency plan.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2019 15:38:37 GMT -5
I think it's a mistake to assume that you could sign all of these players at a not-ridiculous price. When the players know the team is blowing up the draft and they really want to go to college, there's nothing stopping any or several or many of them from saying "I want $15 million or I'm going to college." and then actually follow through. They would all know that this is a one time deal where the success is based on signing as many draft picks as possible and would have all of the leverage and the team would have very little. Also, this seems like a great way for a team to greatly piss off the other 29 teams in the league to the point where it could even affect relationships in future trades. They wrote the penalties into the CBA likely knowing that they would never be used. Sure, but then rather than draft 20 players in my hypothetical scenario above, draft 30 guys....offer $1.5M take-it-or-leave-it, and walk away with 20. I think its doable to be quite honest. I think probably only a few of the guys available would need more than say $3M to sign, and if they do...just draft more as a contingency plan. I really think a lot of players just want to go to college. Going to college is not always about improving their signing bonus and therefore not always about money. If that were true, before there were draft slotting and caps, no one would have gone to college.
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Post by costpet on Jun 20, 2019 17:42:50 GMT -5
Yaz said his father insisted that he graduate from college, even though he was playing ball. So, he went to Merrimack College in N. Andover. 1968 I was there at the time. No one ever saw him in class. No one ever saw him anywhere. Instead, he was tutored by the priests (Catholic college). However, he donated $100,000 to the college for a new arena. I guess that worked because he graduated. He even had his own graduation ceremony in December that year. They only had those ceremonies in June, so his was special.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 20, 2019 22:44:11 GMT -5
Sure, but then rather than draft 20 players in my hypothetical scenario above, draft 30 guys....offer $1.5M take-it-or-leave-it, and walk away with 20. I think its doable to be quite honest. I think probably only a few of the guys available would need more than say $3M to sign, and if they do...just draft more as a contingency plan. I really think a lot of players just want to go to college. Going to college is not always about improving their signing bonus and therefore not always about money. If that were true, before there were draft slotting and caps, no one would have gone to college. Well still before draft slotting, many players needed seasoning, physical growth, and exposure to improve their eventual draft bonuses. Pedroia (who was 5-2 as a HS senior), Longoria and Pujols were all undrafted prior to the slotting system. Longoria was a 48th round pick.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 0:51:56 GMT -5
Short answer: Absolutely nobody worth giving up next year's #1 for. Certainly 1-for-1, because there really weren’t any top-25 guys left by the 3rd-4th round. But if you inked, say, 6 to 8 2nd-4th round talents, along with 6 or 7 more 4th-6th round guys later on...idk. Once you get past pick 15-20, the likelihood of a player becoming a “guy” drops off pretty quickly. There’s not a whole lot of difference talent-wise going from a consensus 30 to 60. Some, but not remotely like going 10 to 30. Loading up on 3rd-6th rd HS/CC guys, if you get enough, would be worth it I think. It just all depends on how many you can get. My sense is that it’s possible, and might be clearly worth it in a very deep HS-heavy draft, especially if you were position-player heavy. I mean, just looking at Lugo...he’s probably a better prospect than Cannon, marginally. And they got him 26 picks later. I just think it’s too risky...the current system seems to end up less Wild West than the old one, and really *not that many* guys slide. I think the main issue is that, if you end up having a down year and you’re sacrificing the 12-18th pick overall in one of your lost years, you’ve definitely shot yourself in the foot. FWIW, just using the fg BOARD ( www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2019-mlb-draft?type=0&sort=-1,1&pagenum=0&pageitems=10000000000000&team= ), the Sox could’ve taken Allan (20) 43rd, then Lugo, but Callihan would’ve been gone at their next pick. But they could’ve gotten: Jack Leiter (35) at 107 Brooks Lee (36) at pick 137 Spencer Jones (37) at pick 167 Hunter Barco (42) at 197 Maurice Hampton (47) at 207 possibly still Song at 237 (they could go earlier on him if they thought he wouldn’t slide far; he was 49) Jerrion Ealy (73) at 267 Bryce Osmond (77) at 327 Carter Bins at 357 (84; again, went 336 so maybe nab him the previous rd since Ealy would still be around here) Edouard Julien (88) at 387 Dylan Brewer (97) at 417 Brennan Milone (107, picked 851) at 447 Josh Rivera (116, picked at 653) at 477 Hayden Dunhurst (120, picked at 1119) at 507 Dalton Fowler (126, picked at 808) at 537 Alex McFarlane (129, picked 755) at 567 Antoine Harris (131, picked 1019) at 597 And, since money is no object, you could still take guys like Keane or Maxwell, etc since there are are at least 5-6 more rounds where you can find top-200 or so players who lasted into the 30-40 rd range. So, looking at your haul, you got Allan (20th, but a risky prep pitcher), Lugo, and six more guys (6!!) in the top-50. That’s 8 top-50 players including an essentially consensus 1st-rounder in Allan. Leiter, Lee, and Jones are probably not all that appreciably different from your next year’s 1st-rd pick, presuming you’re in the 25-32 range (assuming a non-sign or two). You’ve got a true first-rd talent, three or 4 borderline 1st-rounders, a pair of likely 2nd-rounders, plus a 2nd-rd talent in Song who would drop, 5 roughly 3rd-rounders, and 6th fourth-rounders, plus at least 6-10 more guys who are reasonably well into 5th-6th round territory. In what was a relatively uninspiring draft, that’s still awesome. You’ve already got your first-rd equivalent guy to make up for next year; Just on volume alone, you’re going to come up with at least 3 or 4 players who are worth a 20th-30th round draft pick the following year. Do this in a DEEP draft, like 2020 is shaping up to be, and you would completely change the face of your farm overnight. That’s conservatively 20 of the top 150 players in the draft. I’d argue that strictly on talent, it’s absolutely worth it as long as your team is good and isn’t going to get a top-10 pick one of those two years. Even then, with that incredible volume, it might still be worth it. The real question is, what would happen to the draft? How much would everyone hate you? And how much would it take to sign all of those guys? It’s probably $4-5 M for the top one or two, $2-3 for the guys in the 30s, and $1-2M for the rest. So figure $60-$90M, depending on how lucky you get. And you probably can’t sign 4-5 for what they’re reasonably “worth,” even taking this crazy approach. But wow, would it be something to see.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 0:57:26 GMT -5
I moved these posts over to this dedicated thread on the topic. I might take a peek eventually at the quantity of talent you might be able to acquire with an approach like this. Done. But I forgot the overage tax, so we’re talking probably $100M low end and possibly more like $150-$180M. Still, it’s a LOT of talent.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 21, 2019 9:58:06 GMT -5
I moved these posts over to this dedicated thread on the topic. I might take a peek eventually at the quantity of talent you might be able to acquire with an approach like this. Done. But I forgot the overage tax, so we’re talking probably $100M low end and possibly more like $150-$180M. Still, it’s a LOT of talent. Telson! Did you see my earlier posts? . Admittedly, they're on the TLDR side so here's the cliff notes version: I basically did the same thing you did using MLB's rankings to come up with a hypothetical 2019 draft from Rounds 1-20. I think it looks pretty similar to yours except maybe some differences in the later rounds that could be interesting to compare in a couple years to see if MLB or FG did better in that range. I also did the same thing for the 2018 draft and the 2017 draft. The 2017 draft in particular is interesting because we're far enough away from that draft to begin seeing some results. In short, that hypothetical draft has already produced two 2019 first round picks, two other guys paid like first round/sandwich round picks, and is currently projected (a lot can change) to produce three more first round picks in 2020.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2019 11:17:13 GMT -5
Yaz said his father insisted that he graduate from college, even though he was playing ball. So, he went to Merrimack College in N. Andover. 1968 I was there at the time. No one ever saw him in class. No one ever saw him anywhere. Instead, he was tutored by the priests (Catholic college). However, he donated $100,000 to the college for a new arena. I guess that worked because he graduated. He even had his own graduation ceremony in December that year. They only had those ceremonies in June, so his was special. From what I have read, Yaz graduated earlier than that, I believe. I remember reading from his book that during the winter of 1966-67, he finally didn't have college any longer and he had the time to dedicate himself to training hard - and he used that time to train with Gene Berde who really whipped him into shape for the upcoming 1967 season and between that and a batting tip from hitting coach Bobby Doerr to keep his shoulders high and arms raised (instead of bringing them up as he began to swing if I understood correctly) in order to generate more power, Yaz had the season of his life.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2019 12:11:41 GMT -5
Sure, but then rather than draft 20 players in my hypothetical scenario above, draft 30 guys....offer $1.5M take-it-or-leave-it, and walk away with 20. I think its doable to be quite honest. I think probably only a few of the guys available would need more than say $3M to sign, and if they do...just draft more as a contingency plan. I really think a lot of players just want to go to college. Going to college is not always about improving their signing bonus and therefore not always about money. If that were true, before there were draft slotting and caps, no one would have gone to college. How many high school or even College guys have turned down 2-3 million? Like it's happened, but not many will turn that down. You can always go back to College after if it doesn't workout and have a ton of money. Million dollars in a bank account at 5% interest is $50,000 a year for the rest of your life!
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 12:51:12 GMT -5
I really think a lot of players just want to go to college. Going to college is not always about improving their signing bonus and therefore not always about money. If that were true, before there were draft slotting and caps, no one would have gone to college. How many high school or even College guys have turned down 2-3 million? Like it's happened, but not many will turn that down. You can always go back to College after if it doesn't workout and have a ton of money. Million dollars in a bank account at 5% interest is $50,000 a year for the rest of your life! I have no idea and neither does anyone. I just think that some teams would have started buying up all of the HS prospects and not let any 1st round talent ever go to college before the slotting and caps started if it were that easy. I'm not going to get into an argument about what other people are thinking.
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