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6/19-6/21 Red Sox @ Royals Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 19, 2017 7:22:59 GMT -5
6/19 Red Sox (RHP Hector Velazquez 1-1, 6.48, 8.1 IP, 6K:3BB) @ Royals (RHP Jason Hammel 3-6, 5.05, 71.1 IP, 55K:24BB) 8:15 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/20 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale 8-3, 2.82, 99.0 IP, 136K:18BB) @ Royals (LHP Matt Strahm 2-3, 3.67, 27.0 IP, 29K:19BB) 8:15 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 6/21 Red Sox (LHP Drew Pomeranz 6-4, 4.19, 66.2 IP, 77K:24BB) @ Royals (RHP Ian Kennedy 1-6, 5.03, 62.2 IP, 53K:29BB) 2:15 pm ET, NESN/MLBN*/WEEI *Game will be on MLB Network in some out of market networks only MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by radiohix on Jun 19, 2017 10:43:53 GMT -5
2 wins would be nice.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2017 10:47:38 GMT -5
All 3 starters for KC have xFIPs over 5.
Strahm is making his 2nd career start and it doesn't look like he got stretched out at all before his first one.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 19, 2017 10:47:41 GMT -5
And 3 would be nicer.
(although 4 would be truly awesome)!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2017 11:17:27 GMT -5
All 3 starters for KC have xFIPs over 5. Strahm is making his 2nd career start and it doesn't look like he got stretched out at all before his first one. Strahm's kind of a weird one. Started for 2 years at his JuCo. Pitched in relief after getting drafted in 2012. Had TJ. Relieved after coming back in 2014. Relieved to start 2015 in Low A, then started starting after a promotion to High A. Started for most of the start of 2016 before being called up to pitch in KC's bullpen, where he shoved. This year, he's been good in KC's bullpen but not quite as good as last year.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 19, 2017 13:41:00 GMT -5
Could be just a small sample: while the K rate is fine at 9+, his BBs/9 stinks at 6+. So good stuff but not much control? His fielding-independent number is over 5. An all-or-nothing kind of guy, maybe.
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Post by patford on Jun 19, 2017 14:12:20 GMT -5
Remarkable that the Sox are tied for first when as a whole the lineup and starting pitching have been below what would have been expected. In many cases well below. Meanwhile as a whole the Yankees lineup has performed well beyond expectations. I doubt there is anyone who felt a career .270 hitter in the minor leagues would be hitting .335 and leading all of baseball in HRs. Yankee pitching aside from Tanaka is probably also unsustainable.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 19, 2017 14:42:20 GMT -5
Remarkable that the Sox are tied for first when as a whole the lineup and starting pitching have been below what would have been expected. In many cases well below. Meanwhile as a whole the Yankees lineup has performed well beyond expectations. I doubt there is anyone who felt a career .270 hitter in the minor leagues would be hitting .335 and leading all of baseball in HRs. Yankee pitching aside from Tanaka is probably also unsustainable. Aaron Hicks - 968 ops Starlin Castro - 872 Didi Gregorius - 851 Matt Holliday - 891 Brett Gardner - 829 They're all playing out of their minds right now. I'd expect at least 3 of them to end up with an OPS at least 100 points lower at the end of the season.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 19, 2017 16:17:36 GMT -5
Hoping Pedey is OK - every time the line up has a chance to get some consistency, a key injury seems to hit. Wish list for this series - hits. Killer Bs all clicking. It's quite an interesting season so far, and the Sox have somehow patched it up and find themselves tied for first...not too shabby.
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jun 19, 2017 17:06:26 GMT -5
I actually really like this lineup.
Mookie Benintendi Bogaerts Mitch Hanley Jackie Josh Pablo Vazquez. I really wish for one full week JF would go
Benintendi Bogaerts Mookie Mitch Hanley Pedy Jackie Josh Leon
I think that's our best chance to score. Pedy in the 6th whole would get RBI chances and he would come through. I highly doubt that this lineup would ever come true but I can hope lol. Oh and how in the world is BETTS PLAYING!? A shot in the knee and elbow. What a trooper I love that man.
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jun 19, 2017 17:11:22 GMT -5
I really like Pom and thought he would be a great set up man but who would of guessed he would be our 2nd best starter halfway through the year? If we didn't get DD we would probably be in last place. The Moncada for Sale and AE for pomeranz were incredible trades so can we give the man some credit. I know he isn't going to be popular on a prospect forum but give credit where credit is due.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 19, 2017 17:41:11 GMT -5
Gross!
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 19, 2017 17:56:59 GMT -5
I really like Pom and thought he would be a great set up man but who would of guessed he would be our 2nd best starter halfway through the year? If we didn't get DD we would probably be in last place. The Moncada for Sale and AE for pomeranz were incredible trades so can we give the man some credit. I know he isn't going to be popular on a prospect forum but give credit where credit is due. If that was the totality of who got traded they would indeed be "incredible trades." Alas, he paid a significantly higher toll so I'll withhold my kudos for the time being.
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Post by cheers on Jun 19, 2017 18:00:12 GMT -5
I'm working on a horror screenplay.
I call it "THREE DAYS OF PANDA".
Cue screechy music...
Does this make Mookie the utility infielder, or are they gonna send down a bully arm to bring up umm Selsky? (I don't think Marrero is eligible for a few days yet).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 19, 2017 18:26:44 GMT -5
Geeze hope it's not too serious.
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fenwayfaithful
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jun 19, 2017 18:38:56 GMT -5
I really like Pom and thought he would be a great set up man but who would of guessed he would be our 2nd best starter halfway through the year? If we didn't get DD we would probably be in last place. The Moncada for Sale and AE for pomeranz were incredible trades so can we give the man some credit. I know he isn't going to be popular on a prospect forum but give credit where credit is due. If that was the totality of who got traded they would indeed be "incredible trades." Alas, he paid a significantly higher toll so I'll withhold my kudos for the time being. So you would rather have a few mid tier prospects then be in first place?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 19, 2017 19:03:24 GMT -5
If that was the totality of who got traded they would indeed be "incredible trades." Alas, he paid a significantly higher toll so I'll withhold my kudos for the time being. So you would rather have a few mid tier prospects then be in first place? Are those the only two choices?
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jun 19, 2017 19:19:19 GMT -5
So you would rather have a few mid tier prospects then be in first place? Are those the only two choices? If we didn't have Sale and Pomp, our best 2 pitchers and we gave up 0 proven talent which means every player we gave up is still in the minors so let's remove Sale and Pom and what do you get? Minimum 10 less wins.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 19, 2017 19:41:19 GMT -5
Sale was a great trade. Even as a huge fan of Pomeranz I have to admit that was not a great deal. I wouldn't group those as if they were the same thing.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2017 19:44:58 GMT -5
Jeez, this team is beat up right now to put it lightly.
There is no backup infielder tonight. Hope Rutledge's ribs are ok.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2017 19:57:15 GMT -5
Are those the only two choices? If we didn't have Sale and Pomp, our best 2 pitchers and we gave up 0 proven talent which means every player we gave up is still in the minors so let's remove Sale and Pom and what do you get? Minimum 10 less wins. It's amazing anytime Pomeranz makes it into the 6th inning, let alone the 7th inning. He is not one of the Red Sox two best pitchers. E-Rod has been far better. It was a bad trade. Fortunately for the Red Sox Espinoza is injured. Calling him a mid-tier prospect is a joke. He was one of the top rated pitching prospects in baseball. The Padres know they still have six plus years of service time and he's young enough to heal and still be reasonably young when he does ascend to the majors. By then Pomeranz is long gone, and he's a swingman pitcher with the Red Sox, not the #2 starting pitcher all-star that Dombrowski thought the was getting because he, too, like Espinoza, isn't healthy. The Red Sox don't have six years of waiting for Pomeranz to get healthy and improve. As far as Sale for Kopech and Moncada, it's a great deal for the Red Sox now. The math changes in a few years if and when Moncada is a power hitting speedster with a good OBP due to his propensity to draw walks. By then Pedroia should be toward the end of the line. Hope the Sox have somebody by then to replace him. Maybe the Netzler kid? Also by then Sale is either long gone or the Sox spent a ton of money on him hoping that he doesn't go the way of David Price. Kopech might be Bard or he might be a right-handed Randy Johnson. We'll see. Either way it's a good deal for the Red Sox now and a good deal for the White Sox soon and later. Kopech and Moncada aren't mid-tier talents. Nor is Margot for that matter. Dubon probably is, but they do have value, and no it wasn't Sandoval's presence that made Shaw expendable. It was his lousy second half that did it.
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jun 19, 2017 20:08:17 GMT -5
If we didn't have Sale and Pomp, our best 2 pitchers and we gave up 0 proven talent which means every player we gave up is still in the minors so let's remove Sale and Pom and what do you get? Minimum 10 less wins. It's amazing anytime Pomeranz makes it into the 6th inning, let alone the 7th inning. He is not one of the Red Sox two best pitchers. E-Rod has been far better. It was a bad trade. Fortunately for the Red Sox Espinoza is injured. Calling him a mid-tier prospect is a joke. He was one of the top rated pitching prospects in baseball. The Padres know they still have six plus years of service time and he's young enough to heal and still be reasonably young when he does ascend to the majors. By then Pomeranz is long gone, and he's a swingman pitcher with the Red Sox, not the #2 starting pitcher all-star that Dombrowski thought the was getting because he, too, like Espinoza, isn't healthy. The Red Sox don't have six years of waiting for Pomeranz to get healthy and improve. As far as Sale for Kopech and Moncada, it's a great deal for the Red Sox now. The math changes in a few years if and when Moncada is a power hitting speedster with a good OBP due to his propensity to draw walks. By then Pedroia should be toward the end of the line. Hope the Sox have somebody by then to replace him. Maybe the Netzler kid? Also by then Sale is either long gone or the Sox spent a ton of money on him hoping that he doesn't go the way of David Price. Kopech might be Bard or he might be a right-handed Randy Johnson. We'll see. Either way it's a good deal for the Red Sox now and a good deal for the White Sox soon and later. Kopech and Moncada aren't mid-tier talents. Nor is Margot for that matter. Dubon probably is, but they do have value, and no it wasn't Sandoval's presence that made Shaw expendable. It was his lousy second half that did it. A-I didn't call Moncada or AE mid tier but Kopech yes. B-by trading the players we traded we didn't give up on our future, our team is very young. We traded for an ACE! We also got Pom who has been our 2nd best pitcher this year, why because he plays and is consistent. If you really want to bring up the Kimbrel trade as well then that even helps my argument even more. Margot is playing AVG and Kimbrel is the best closer in baseball. We are a first place team and still want to complain I just don't get it. I'm just saying that the trades really helped our team this year. This is a prospect forum and people are valuing unproven players to ACE Starters blows my mind. Anyway GO SOX! Our offense is looking really bad right now! BTW you sound like a spoiled brat not trying to be an ass but any starter who gets through 5 every start and supports a low 4.00 era is a good starter in the AL east.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2017 20:14:45 GMT -5
Man, the trades have been discussed to death.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2017 20:17:00 GMT -5
It's amazing anytime Pomeranz makes it into the 6th inning, let alone the 7th inning. He is not one of the Red Sox two best pitchers. E-Rod has been far better. It was a bad trade. Fortunately for the Red Sox Espinoza is injured. Calling him a mid-tier prospect is a joke. He was one of the top rated pitching prospects in baseball. The Padres know they still have six plus years of service time and he's young enough to heal and still be reasonably young when he does ascend to the majors. By then Pomeranz is long gone, and he's a swingman pitcher with the Red Sox, not the #2 starting pitcher all-star that Dombrowski thought the was getting because he, too, like Espinoza, isn't healthy. The Red Sox don't have six years of waiting for Pomeranz to get healthy and improve. As far as Sale for Kopech and Moncada, it's a great deal for the Red Sox now. The math changes in a few years if and when Moncada is a power hitting speedster with a good OBP due to his propensity to draw walks. By then Pedroia should be toward the end of the line. Hope the Sox have somebody by then to replace him. Maybe the Netzler kid? Also by then Sale is either long gone or the Sox spent a ton of money on him hoping that he doesn't go the way of David Price. Kopech might be Bard or he might be a right-handed Randy Johnson. We'll see. Either way it's a good deal for the Red Sox now and a good deal for the White Sox soon and later. Kopech and Moncada aren't mid-tier talents. Nor is Margot for that matter. Dubon probably is, but they do have value, and no it wasn't Sandoval's presence that made Shaw expendable. It was his lousy second half that did it. A-I didn't call Moncada or AE mid tier but Kopech yes. B-by trading the players we traded we didn't give up on our future, our team is very young. We traded for an ACE! We also got Pom who has been our 2nd best pitcher this year, why because he plays and is consistent. If you really want to bring up the Kimbrel trade as well then that even helps my argument even more. Margot is playing AVG and Kimbrel is the best closer in baseball. We are a first place team and still want to complain I just don't get it. I'm just saying that the trades really helped our team this year. This is a prospect forum and people are valuing unproven players to ACE Starters blows my mind. Anyway GO SOX! Our offense is looking really bad right now! You're misunderstanding me. I was ok with the Sale trade. I just don't think it's the slam dunk you think it is. Even if Kopech is a reliever, which is quite possible, although he could wind up being a starter and an excellent one, he has value. Kind of like a righthanded Andrew Miller, who is quite valuable. I do think Moncada will be a superstar and wish he was the 3b right now, but I understood the trade. I have been in favor of the deal for Kimbrel and was at the outset. The Kimbrel that pitched for the Sox in 2016 wasn't worth Margot and Logan Allen. The Kimbrel that pitches for the Sox in 2017 is worth it. I was fine with giving up Margot, although I wish Dombrowski hadn't included Logan Allen. I disagree with your assessment of Pomeranz. E-Rod and Sale have been the two best starters on the Sox. Price has been injured and has no command and looks like a guy who missed spring training while Porcello is a hot mess right now. Pomeranz is a guy who pitches 5 plus innings, gets in a lot of trouble, and taxes the bullpen. Espinoza was an excellent prospect, the kind of guy I'd like to see coming down the pike. He's hurt so right now it looks good for the Red Sox. They will regret this deal, I believe. Pomeranz is not worth it. He has been quite mediocre with the Red Sox.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 19, 2017 20:21:43 GMT -5
Scouting Moustakas: 0 for 2 tonight. Burly guy having career year. kingsofkauffman.com/2017/05/07/kc-royals-potential-departures-moustakas/Sounds like the Royals may hang on to him even if they have no plans on qualifying him, because they get 2/5rd picks if a top half team signs the Boras client. Can't RS do better than that? This guy will likely hit 30+ and play a very solid 3b. #Ok the leadoff is on for a change. Do something with him. TY JBJ!
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