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Post by radiohix on Jun 23, 2017 15:28:21 GMT -5
Alex Speier: Red Sox have agreed to a minor league deal with Jhonny Peralta. He'll report to Pawtucket next week.
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Post by Canseco on Jun 23, 2017 15:32:45 GMT -5
Gross! How depressing is this PawSox roster? Craig, Castillo, Peralta, and probably Sandoval on a rehab?
I hope this means Dombrowski is looking for quick band-aids at 3B instead of further depleting our system for a rental. Devers should get a shot before we unload someone like Chavis.
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Post by nomar on Jun 23, 2017 15:41:30 GMT -5
He's not good but better than what we have potentially. Why not at this point?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2017 15:44:01 GMT -5
I would have preferred the Red Sox sign Plouffe over Peralta. At least we know Plouffe can still play the position and hit an occasional homerun. Not sure what Peralta can do at this point. I guess he gets the month of July to audition. Come August if he fails it's either Devers or sayonora Chavis for Moustakas/Frazier/Lowrie/Freese.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 23, 2017 15:58:28 GMT -5
I would have preferred the Red Sox sign Plouffe over Peralta. At least we know Plouffe can still play the position and hit an occasional homerun. Not sure what Peralta can do at this point. I guess he gets the month of July to audition. Come August if he fails it's either Devers or sayonora Chavis for Moustakas/Frazier/Lowrie/Freese. They would have had to trade for Plouffe. The Rays traded for him before he was put on waivers.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 23, 2017 15:59:30 GMT -5
I'm not certain that anyone is worth sitting Marrero for yet. He's at least still a replacement level player because of his defense. And somehow he's even hitting better than Peralta this year.
I know Peralta has had a thumb issue all year, so hopefully he's close to getting over that. I hope he has to prove something in AAA before he's called up. Not super crazy about him blocking Devers even for a few weeks.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 23, 2017 16:01:14 GMT -5
Options...always good to have.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 23, 2017 16:22:56 GMT -5
I would have preferred the Red Sox sign Plouffe over Peralta. At least we know Plouffe can still play the position and hit an occasional homerun. Not sure what Peralta can do at this point. I guess he gets the month of July to audition. Come August if he fails it's either Devers or sayonora Chavis for Moustakas/Frazier/Lowrie/Freese. They would have had to trade for Plouffe. The Rays traded for him before he was put on waivers. I could be wrong but didn't the Rays only trade a player or cash considerations and when that happens you're talking either minimal cash or a very fringe player?
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Post by geostorm on Jun 23, 2017 16:26:53 GMT -5
They would have had to trade for Plouffe. The Rays traded for him before he was put on waivers. I could be wrong but didn't the Rays only trade a player or cash considerations and when that happens you're talking either minimal cash or a very fringe player? www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/plouftr01.shtml"June 17, 2017: Traded by the Oakland Athletics with cash to the Tampa Bay Rays for player to be named or cash." "2017 31 Oakland Athletics $5,250,000 5.162 $2M paid by Oakland Athletics"
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 23, 2017 16:29:49 GMT -5
They would have had to trade for Plouffe. The Rays traded for him before he was put on waivers. I could be wrong but didn't the Rays only trade a player or cash considerations and when that happens you're talking either minimal cash or a very fringe player? I'm sure they paid more (dollars) than we paid for Peralta. And that could wind up being an issue given that they'd probably replace either of them when the trade market opens up.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 23, 2017 16:50:46 GMT -5
I'm not certain that anyone is worth sitting Marrero for yet. He's at least still a replacement level player because of his defense. And somehow he's even hitting better than Peralta this year. I know Peralta has had a thumb issue all year, so hopefully he's close to getting over that. I hope he has to prove something in AAA before he's called up. Not super crazy about him blocking Devers even for a few weeks. Peralta has the capacity to hit much better than Marrero. Marrero is hitting pretty much how we thought he might. At any rate, as you allude to, it's basically a AAA audition. If he's clearly terrible, they'll just cut him and promote Devers to Pawtucket. I don't think 2 weeks changes much there. They would have had to trade for Plouffe. The Rays traded for him before he was put on waivers. I could be wrong but didn't the Rays only trade a player or cash considerations and when that happens you're talking either minimal cash or a very fringe player? Usually, but then sometimes it's Yeison Coca. <grumble grumble> I could be wrong but didn't the Rays only trade a player or cash considerations and when that happens you're talking either minimal cash or a very fringe player? www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/plouftr01.shtml"June 17, 2017: Traded by the Oakland Athletics with cash to the Tampa Bay Rays for player to be named or cash." "2017 31 Oakland Athletics $5,250,000 5.162 $2M paid by Oakland Athletics" I think the $2M might just be what they've already paid him, right? At any rate, wouldn't surprise me if this were a "here's a list of rookie ball guys, pick a guy after scouting them" situation.
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Post by manfred on Jun 23, 2017 16:58:15 GMT -5
I'm all for it. Guy was an all star two years ago. Last season he was serviceable in the games he played. If it means not putting together a big package for a rental, I'm psyched.
Thing is, I'd take even Marrero at 3B if the DH slot weren't such a letdown.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 23, 2017 17:21:12 GMT -5
Dombrowski is doing what he has to do...to stay under the cap and give us some potential "lightning in the bottle" with the Fister and Peralta signings. I like both and think he is thinking quite correctly. Quite possible they will both not be helpful, but they have succeeded before in the majors so we definitely need to try other alternatives to what has become big weaknesses...starter depth and 3rd base. I like it!
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 23, 2017 21:35:55 GMT -5
I hate the fact that this is a really good idea.
You never want to be in a situation where it's June and you desperately need the 2017 iteration of Jhonny Peralta. But here we are.
ALSO, Jhonny Peralta totally profiles as the 2017 edition of the annual washed up veteran who ends up inexplicably good down the stretch for the Yankees, so I'm glad the Sox got out ahead of Peralta AND Doug Fister on the same day.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 23, 2017 21:39:23 GMT -5
So they sign this guy to play third at AAA and thus effectively block Devers from going to AAA. Even if Peralta isn't completely washed up (and the evidence seems to think he is washed up), he would have to play for awhile at Pawtucket to show he can still be a helpful major league player before they would move him up to Boston And I doubt they are going to keep Peralta past this year no mater what he does. I would prefer to have not signed Peralta and moved Devers up to AAA and see if he is ready to play there and possibly in Boston in September. Signing Peralta seems to keep Devers from progressing as quickly as he otherwise would. I would like to know whether there is any chance Devers can help this year BEFORE the trading deadline ( so they can look for other answers if Devers struggles at AAA) and I think this signing makes it more difficult to do so since the obvious way to get a line on how well Devers might do in the Majors is to see how he does in AAA.
I do not get it.
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Post by soxjim on Jun 23, 2017 22:22:28 GMT -5
So they sign this guy to play third at AAA and thus effectively block Devers from going to AAA. Even if Peralta isn't completely washed up (and the evidence seems to think he is washed up), he would have to play for awhile at Pawtucket to show he can still be a helpful major league player before they would move him up to Boston And I doubt they are going to keep Peralta past this year no mater what he does. I would prefer to have not signed Peralta and moved Devers up to AAA and see if he is ready to play there and possibly in Boston in September. Signing Peralta seems to keep Devers from progressing as quickly as he otherwise would. I would like to know whether there is any chance Devers can help this year BEFORE the trading deadline ( so they can look for other answers if Devers struggles at AAA) and I think this signing makes it more difficult to do so since the obvious way to get a line on how well Devers might do in the Majors is to see how he does in AAA. I do not get it. I think the exact opposite. I'm still concerned Devers isn't quite ready yet for prime time. Form what I understand there isn't a huge jump from AA to AAA. If for example Devers gets on a tear, why wouldn't he get sent up to the show? In other words, I don't think Devers "needs" it. And Peralta can "be" something imo.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 23, 2017 22:35:01 GMT -5
I hate the fact that this is a really good idea. You never want to be in a situation where it's June and you desperately need the 2017 iteration of Jhonny Peralta. But here we are. ALSO, Jhonny Peralta totally profiles as the 2017 edition of the annual washed up veteran who ends up inexplicably good down the stretch for the Yankees, so I'm glad the Sox got out ahead of Peralta AND Doug Fister on the same day. I never thought it would be up to Jhonny Peralta and Doug Fister to save our farm system. Like you said.....here we are.
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Post by danr on Jun 23, 2017 23:01:07 GMT -5
I would have preferred the Red Sox sign Plouffe over Peralta. At least we know Plouffe can still play the position and hit an occasional homerun. Not sure what Peralta can do at this point. I guess he gets the month of July to audition. Come August if he fails it's either Devers or sayonora Chavis for Moustakas/Frazier/Lowrie/Freese. I cannot imagine any scenario in which Chavis gets traded. I suspect half the people on this board weren't born the last time someone with this kind of power was in the Sox minor leagues. He may have Triple Crown potential. We'll know more before long.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2017 16:57:38 GMT -5
So they sign this guy to play third at AAA and thus effectively block Devers from going to AAA. Even if Peralta isn't completely washed up (and the evidence seems to think he is washed up), he would have to play for awhile at Pawtucket to show he can still be a helpful major league player before they would move him up to Boston And I doubt they are going to keep Peralta past this year no mater what he does. I would prefer to have not signed Peralta and moved Devers up to AAA and see if he is ready to play there and possibly in Boston in September. Signing Peralta seems to keep Devers from progressing as quickly as he otherwise would. I would like to know whether there is any chance Devers can help this year BEFORE the trading deadline ( so they can look for other answers if Devers struggles at AAA) and I think this signing makes it more difficult to do so since the obvious way to get a line on how well Devers might do in the Majors is to see how he does in AAA. I do not get it. Peralta's going to get 2 or 3 weeks. If he shows something, he'll be up in Boston. If he doesn't, they'll cut him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2017 17:05:02 GMT -5
I would have preferred the Red Sox sign Plouffe over Peralta. At least we know Plouffe can still play the position and hit an occasional homerun. Not sure what Peralta can do at this point. I guess he gets the month of July to audition. Come August if he fails it's either Devers or sayonora Chavis for Moustakas/Frazier/Lowrie/Freese. I cannot imagine any scenario in which Chavis gets traded. I suspect half the people on this board weren't born the last time someone with this kind of power was in the Sox minor leagues. He may have Triple Crown potential. We'll know more before long. I think you're severely overstating Chavis' power potential. And he doesn't have triple crown potential. He's only got 4 more home runs than Devers who is a full year younger and has been playing all season a level higher. Chavis' raw power is probably about even with the likes of Devers, Brentz, Dalbec, and Washington for guys who are currently in the system right now. If the Red Sox need something at the deadline and have to deal a real piece to get it, Chavis is the really, really obvious guy to go. He's the exact prototype of the guy Dombrowski has dealt since coming to this organization - redundant positionally and has a strong potential to be topping out in terms of his value.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 25, 2017 4:37:36 GMT -5
I cannot imagine any scenario in which Chavis gets traded. I suspect half the people on this board weren't born the last time someone with this kind of power was in the Sox minor leagues. He may have Triple Crown potential. We'll know more before long. I think you're severely overstating Chavis' power potential. And he doesn't have triple crown potential. He's only got 4 more home runs than Devers who is a full year younger and has been playing all season a level higher. Chavis' raw power is probably about even with the likes of Devers, Brentz, Dalbec, and Washington for guys who are currently in the system right now. If the Red Sox need something at the deadline and have to deal a real piece to get it, Chavis is the really, really obvious guy to go. He's the exact prototype of the guy Dombrowski has dealt since coming to this organization - redundant positionally and has a strong potential to be topping out in terms of his value. Totally agree here. Chavis is having an excellent year. If he did this last year would we all be so excited? His numbers are all at A ball. If he continue at AA like he has played a A so far then I might look at him in a different light. His value is high. He plays the same position as Devers. Chavis is the obvious guy to go in a trade. Hopefully they do not get in return a relief pitcher with a bad arm.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 30, 2017 19:10:59 GMT -5
When you have a chance to block your top prospect with an over-the-hill washed up PED user, you need to jump at that chance.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 30, 2017 19:33:23 GMT -5
how is Jonny doing so far?
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Post by bookiemetts on Jul 1, 2017 0:22:46 GMT -5
how is Jonny doing so far? After today he is 1 for 10 with a double and 4Ks Seems like today was his first day in the field and he played 3 innings before rain suspension and had no chances.
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Post by ryan24 on Jul 1, 2017 7:58:08 GMT -5
how is Jonny doing so far? After today he is 1 for 10 with a double and 4Ks Seems like today was his first day in the field and he played 3 innings before rain suspension and had no chances. yuck!
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