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Post by caseytins on May 1, 2019 21:05:00 GMT -5
He would be better in CF than JBJ at this point. Why not send Bradley down at this point for a week or two?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2019 21:23:14 GMT -5
He would be better in CF than JBJ at this point. Why not send Bradley down at this point for a week or two? If you're suggesting sending JBJ down and replacing him in Boston with Castillo, that wouldn't make much sense. First off, the Sox would jump over the highest tax threshold, which is a line they don't want to cross again or else Kimbrel would still be here. Secondly, Castillo really isn't that good, so you'd be going over the threshold thanks to a mediocre player who really is not an improvement over what JBJ will ultimately give you. Eventually JBJ will hit and the overall results will be mediocre and the defense will be excellent. Castillo isn't going to give you better than that and will waste a lot of money not being any better.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 13, 2019 15:37:57 GMT -5
What do you guys think of Rusney Castillo turning down his $14mil option and agreeing to a new 3yr/15mil deal?
This would force him onto the 40 man and add to the luxury tax - but only at 5mil/year; which he may well be worth as a 4th OFer. And I'm sure ownership would appreciate not having to eat 14mil next year.
For Rusney, he would finally get back to the majors instead of sitting in the minors another year just to get a spring training invite for 2021 when he will turn 34.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 13, 2019 15:46:34 GMT -5
What do you guys think of Rusney Castillo turning down his $14mil option and agreeing to a new 3yr/15mil deal? This would force him onto the 40 man and add to the luxury tax - but only at 5mil/year; which he may well be worth as a 4th OFer. And I'm sure ownership would appreciate not having to eat 14mil next year. For Rusney, he would finally get back to the majors instead of sitting in the minors another year just to get a training camp invite for 2021 when he will turn 34. I'd rather 1/14 and try my luck next year. I don't know how this deal really helps him unless he just wants to hang around longer.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2019 15:55:55 GMT -5
What do you guys think of Rusney Castillo turning down his $14mil option and agreeing to a new 3yr/15mil deal? This would force him onto the 40 man and add to the luxury tax - but only at 5mil/year; which he may well be worth as a 4th OFer. And I'm sure ownership would appreciate not having to eat 14mil next year. For Rusney, he would finally get back to the majors instead of sitting in the minors another year just to get a training camp invite for 2021 when he will turn 34. It's not a bad idea and not much less than what he'd get with 2 years of league minimum following the $14 million option. I don't know what they're going to do with possibly trying to reset the luxury tax. They might not even have $5 million to spare if they are. And boy will this place be fun when they try to reset.
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Post by patford on Aug 13, 2019 16:39:30 GMT -5
MLB will definitely reset the luxury tax and I know exactly when they will do it. It will be exactly when it is most beneficial to the Yankees.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2019 10:00:17 GMT -5
What do you guys think of Rusney Castillo turning down his $14mil option and agreeing to a new 3yr/15mil deal? This would force him onto the 40 man and add to the luxury tax - but only at 5mil/year; which he may well be worth as a 4th OFer. And I'm sure ownership would appreciate not having to eat 14mil next year. For Rusney, he would finally get back to the majors instead of sitting in the minors another year just to get a spring training invite for 2021 when he will turn 34. I don't see why either side would do that, honestly. The Red Sox would add money tot he CBT unnecessarily and Castillo would be extending his time in an organization where he's less likely to get a full shot at starter playing time in the majors while taking a sizeable pay cut.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 14, 2019 13:13:38 GMT -5
I don't see why either side would do that, honestly. The Red Sox would add money tot he CBT unnecessarily and Castillo would be extending his time in an organization where he's less likely to get a full shot at starter playing time in the majors while taking a sizeable pay cut. I'm under the assumption that Rusney at best gets a guaranteed minimum contract for 2021. Unless you think he can get much more than that, or think he will put up strong enough numbers in 2021 to get a solid deal in 2022 (when he will be 34/35), I don't see how he's taking a sizable paycut. Please explain. This deal would actually get Rusney a shot much sooner as he would have a chance to play in the majors right away and either earn a job on the Red Sox starting (2/3 of the starting OF will be entering contact years - and there isn't a clear cut replacement internally) or another team will trade for him once he shows value given his contact would be manageable. If Rusney is thinking he could make more 3 years from now, they could always add incentives. As mentioned in my initial post, the 5mil against the CBT would hurt a bit. But it's less than either Pierce or Moreland are counting this year. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think it would be worth it.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2019 14:14:08 GMT -5
What do you guys think of Rusney Castillo turning down his $14mil option and agreeing to a new 3yr/15mil deal? This would force him onto the 40 man and add to the luxury tax - but only at 5mil/year; which he may well be worth as a 4th OFer. And I'm sure ownership would appreciate not having to eat 14mil next year. For Rusney, he would finally get back to the majors instead of sitting in the minors another year just to get a spring training invite for 2021 when he will turn 34. I don't see why either side would do that, honestly. The Red Sox would add money tot he CBT unnecessarily and Castillo would be extending his time in an organization where he's less likely to get a full shot at starter playing time in the majors while taking a sizeable pay cut. The Red Sox would be kinda dumb to let Castillo walk rather than giving him the league minimum to be a 4th OF in 2021. You usually have to spend $5 million for someone like that. (Chris Young, Jonny Gomes, etc.) I'd guess the Red Sox would want to wait so they have 2 years of league minimum rather than 3 years of $5 million, but I can definitely see why Castillo would take it if he wants to play in the majors next year. He would be a nice platoon option for JBJ and Benintendi. That is something that has been sorely missed this season.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 14, 2019 14:16:43 GMT -5
If/when he exercises his option, shouldn't some team R5 or trade for him knowing that that $14M also comes with six years of team control?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 14, 2019 14:17:58 GMT -5
If/when he exercises his option, shouldn't some team R5 or trade for him knowing that that $14M also comes with six years of team control? That's definitely possible and probably likely.
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Post by coachmac on Aug 14, 2019 21:29:09 GMT -5
If/when he exercises his option, shouldn't some team R5 or trade for him knowing that that $14M also comes with six years of team control? That's definitely possible and probably likely. I believe that at the end of Castillo's deal he becomes a free agent.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 14, 2019 21:55:18 GMT -5
That's definitely possible and probably likely. I believe that at the end of Castillo's deal he becomes a free agent. I don’t think so...he signed a major league contract but FA is determined by service time. And he’s got less than one year. He’d be a terrific R5 pick...basically a second-division starting CF or first-division 4th OF. He should have 3-4 more reasonably productive years, making the $16-17M total cost actually a pretty good deal. Once he gets to arb2 they could non-tender.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 15, 2019 0:40:59 GMT -5
I believe that at the end of Castillo's deal he becomes a free agent. I don’t think so...he signed a major league contract but FA is determined by service time. And he’s got less than one year. He’d be a terrific R5 pick...basically a second-division starting CF or first-division 4th OF. He should have 3-4 more reasonably productive years, making the $16-17M total cost actually a pretty good deal. Once he gets to arb2 they could non-tender. Someone might have to check out the language in his contract (paging Alex Speier). There's some major league international free agent contracts that grant free agency even if they have less than 6 years of service time. Can't remember the last one, but it has happened before.
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Post by coachmac on Aug 15, 2019 6:06:09 GMT -5
Sportrac has Castillo listed as an UFA in 2021.Pedro is correct, before the Cuban players were lumped under the International signing rules many of them signed deals that bypassed the normal arbitaration process.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 15, 2019 7:53:15 GMT -5
Pretty sure we've been here before and determined he becomes a free agent.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 15, 2019 18:52:04 GMT -5
There's also a rule that says you can't renew a player for lesson than either 20% or 30% of that players salary the year before, which obviously the Red Sox wouldn't do.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 15, 2019 21:04:35 GMT -5
There's also a rule that says you can't renew a player for lesson than either 20% or 30% of that players salary the year before, which obviously the Red Sox wouldn't do. I don't believe that's true and it wouldn't apply to a free agent anyway. Not quite sure what you're getting at?
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Post by telson13 on Aug 15, 2019 21:06:21 GMT -5
I don’t think so...he signed a major league contract but FA is determined by service time. And he’s got less than one year. He’d be a terrific R5 pick...basically a second-division starting CF or first-division 4th OF. He should have 3-4 more reasonably productive years, making the $16-17M total cost actually a pretty good deal. Once he gets to arb2 they could non-tender. Someone might have to check out the language in his contract (paging Alex Speier). There's some major league international free agent contracts that grant free agency even if they have less than 6 years of service time. Can't remember the last one, but it has happened before. Good call, dude!
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Post by telson13 on Aug 15, 2019 21:08:08 GMT -5
There's also a rule that says you can't renew a player for lesson than either 20% or 30% of that players salary the year before, which obviously the Red Sox wouldn't do. I don't believe that's true and it wouldn't apply to a free agent anyway. Not quite sure what you're getting at? I think he’s right re:pre-FA renewals/arb figures. There used to be a rule you couldn’t give a guy a certain pay cut, which I think was 20%. I’m not certain, but it sounds familiar.
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Post by brisox on Aug 16, 2019 6:43:09 GMT -5
I don't see why either side would do that, honestly. The Red Sox would add money tot he CBT unnecessarily and Castillo would be extending his time in an organization where he's less likely to get a full shot at starter playing time in the majors while taking a sizeable pay cut. The Red Sox would be kinda dumb to let Castillo walk rather than giving him the league minimum to be a 4th OF in 2021. You usually have to spend $5 million for someone like that. (Chris Young, Jonny Gomes, etc.) I'd guess the Red Sox would want to wait so they have 2 years of league minimum rather than 3 years of $5 million, but I can definitely see why Castillo would take it if he wants to play in the majors next year. He would be a nice platoon option for JBJ and Benintendi. That is something that has been sorely missed this season. Attempts and offers were made years ago to get him to rework his deal so that he could play at the Major league level. He refused all of them. There is too much bad blood now, He will be trapped in AAA until he is released.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 16, 2019 8:44:23 GMT -5
The Red Sox would be kinda dumb to let Castillo walk rather than giving him the league minimum to be a 4th OF in 2021. You usually have to spend $5 million for someone like that. (Chris Young, Jonny Gomes, etc.) I'd guess the Red Sox would want to wait so they have 2 years of league minimum rather than 3 years of $5 million, but I can definitely see why Castillo would take it if he wants to play in the majors next year. He would be a nice platoon option for JBJ and Benintendi. That is something that has been sorely missed this season. Attempts and offers were made years ago to get him to rework his deal so that he could play at the Major league level. He refused all of them. There is too much bad blood now, He will be trapped in AAA until he is released. Thanks brisox. That signing was a disaster from the getgo. I always felt it was an overreaction to losing Abreu and their lack of outfield depth at the time. They had JBJ and Mookie on the way up at the time, too. He probably would have made a really useful #4 outfielder (would have prevented the Chris Young signing anyways), but given the situation, it was never going to happen. Always great to hear the nuggets of wisdom you drop. Wondering what you've heard regarding Mookie and your feelings if he'll re-sign this winter or how likely you think a trade will become.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 16, 2019 8:57:56 GMT -5
Ben Cherington, from July 2014 through the start of 2015, turned in probably the worst six months that a general manager could have. Castillo, the Sandoval and Ramirez signings, his decision not to pursue a frontline starter, the whole Lester thing, the way they handled the 2014 trading deadline (Lackey traded for MLB-ready help rather than the best prospects, Okajima and Tazawa not traded so as not to hurt their '15 chances). It was like cosmic retribution for all the 2013 moves working out at a level they had no right to.
It is too bad that Rusney had to get entangled in cosmic retribution. Just totally out of his control.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 16, 2019 12:49:28 GMT -5
Attempts and offers were made years ago to get him to rework his deal so that he could play at the Major league level. He refused all of them. There is too much bad blood now, He will be trapped in AAA until he is released. Do you have any links about the offers? Players aren't allowed to take less money, so I'm not sure how that would be possible. This is the first I've read about 'bad blood' (but would understand him being frustrated) This will be the first year the Red Sox can really try and negotiate something (given its an option year), which is why I broached the subject. Also, I can see JBJ being traded or non-tendered this off-season so a Rusney $15/3 deal plus a Holt $8/2 deal may be an upgrade (if Benintendi can still play CF)
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 16, 2019 19:47:53 GMT -5
There's also a rule that says you can't renew a player for lesson than either 20% or 30% of that players salary the year before, which obviously the Red Sox wouldn't do. I don't believe that's true and it wouldn't apply to a free agent anyway. Not quite sure what you're getting at? It obviously wouldn't apply if he's actually a free agent. Only applies to players that need to have a contract tendered to them based on their service time. The point I was making was that it wouldn't be possible for the Sox to put him on the 40 man roster after his contract expires and only be responsible for the minimum salary. They would be on the hook for much more than that. (Larger point being that whether he's a free agent or not: Rusney's gone) It's on page 13-14 of the CBA if you want to take a look.
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