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Post by grandsalami on Jan 27, 2013 21:42:34 GMT -5
We need to get one thing straight about the Punto trade: it wasn't Ben Cherrington's idea. BC and Ned Colletti did not hammer out a quarter billion dollar trade and then go to their ownership groups for the OK. This is a trade that was initiated at the ownership level, period. I think you CAN give him credit for getting De La Rosa and Webster in the deal. Those details probably were sorted out on the baseball operations level. But an evaluation of Ben Cherrington should not be based on the idea that he decided to radically reshape the organization by unloading two massive contracts. I'm not making a comment on his GM-ing either way (I'll do that later), just saying we need to get the facts straight here. re it not being BC idea, can you give us a link to back up your point? IMO was BOTH BC AND the owneres idea (ie team work)
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Post by remember04 on Jan 27, 2013 23:21:22 GMT -5
We need to get one thing straight about the Punto trade: it wasn't Ben Cherrington's idea. BC and Ned Colletti did not hammer out a quarter billion dollar trade and then go to their ownership groups for the OK. This is a trade that was initiated at the ownership level, period. I think you CAN give him credit for getting De La Rosa and Webster in the deal. Those details probably were sorted out on the baseball operations level. But an evaluation of Ben Cherrington should not be based on the idea that he decided to radically reshape the organization by unloading two massive contracts. I'm not making a comment on his GM-ing either way (I'll do that later), just saying we need to get the facts straight here. re it not being BC idea, can you give us a link to back up your point? IMO was BOTH BC AND the owneres idea (ie team work) I've heard that too. I've been looking for a link to an article but alas my search-fu is weak. What I heard was that Tom Werner was talking to somebody from the Dodgers about Beckett I do believe and that they talked about it a little more then whoever he was talking to said something like "you know, the player we're really interested in is Adrian Gonzalez". I'm still googling but Tom Werner seems to be the main catalyst on the Red Sox side.
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Post by buffs4444 on Jan 27, 2013 23:50:37 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 28, 2013 0:04:06 GMT -5
If you read the whole article everyone in the SOX FO (from GM-owner) were responsible for the trade, so BC does get some credit, as does the owners
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 28, 2013 0:22:50 GMT -5
We need to get one thing straight about the Punto trade: it wasn't Ben Cherrington's idea. BC and Ned Colletti did not hammer out a quarter billion dollar trade and then go to their ownership groups for the OK. This is a trade that was initiated at the ownership level, period. I think you CAN give him credit for getting De La Rosa and Webster in the deal. Those details probably were sorted out on the baseball operations level. But an evaluation of Ben Cherrington should not be based on the idea that he decided to radically reshape the organization by unloading two massive contracts. I'm not making a comment on his GM-ing either way (I'll do that later), just saying we need to get the facts straight here. Every story that has come out about how the deal came about had Colletti beating down Cherington's door about Gonzalez, and once he said he was willing to take Crawford and Beckett, Cherington started to listen. So no, the trade wasn't originated at the ownership level that I'm aware of. Unless you've heard differently somewhere? John Henry didn't call up Magic Johnson and the rest of that ownership group and beg them to take players or anything.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 28, 2013 17:30:34 GMT -5
Every story that has come out about how the deal came about had Colletti beating down Cherington's door about Gonzalez, and once he said he was willing to take Crawford and Beckett, Cherington started to listen. Look at the ESPN piece posted directly above. But even outside of the reports, if you're dealing that much salary, there's just no way that the decision isn't ultimately going to by made by the guys who sign the checks. I very much doubt there's a GM in baseball (or pro sports in general) with the authority to make a deal of that magnitude on their own. The point is, Cherrington was involved in the trade for sure, but it's not "his" trade by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 28, 2013 17:33:20 GMT -5
If you read the whole article everyone in the SOX FO (from GM-owner) were responsible for the trade, so BC does get some credit, as does the owners Basically, I give the owners credit for having the balls to do a massive re-set of the team like that, and Cherrington credit for getting quality arms off Colletti in the deal.
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