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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 9, 2017 18:54:04 GMT -5
Now that we're eliminated, and before we find out for sure from the media, I just wanted to get an idea of what the board thinks will happen with Farrell.
To be clear, this is not what you want to happen, but what you think will happen.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 9, 2017 19:17:55 GMT -5
Sox fire JF and hire a reincarnation of Bobby valentine
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Post by larrycook on Oct 9, 2017 19:36:53 GMT -5
I think Farrell deserves to return. He had to overcome a ton of injuries, a horrible GM, and a Yankees team that played over their head all year.
Sure some of his decisions were not perfect, but he also made a lot of good decisions and handled the pitching staff pretty well despite crippling injuries and a zombie offense,
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 9, 2017 20:52:57 GMT -5
He's pretty much a lock to be back.
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Post by shaqtus on Oct 9, 2017 20:55:13 GMT -5
2018: Dave Martinez or bust
(ps: must quibble with the phrasing of this. It ought to be "should", not "will.")
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 9, 2017 20:57:31 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 9, 2017 21:05:54 GMT -5
John Heyman is a hack... He has been trying to push a leyland to BOS for months.... |
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 9, 2017 21:08:02 GMT -5
2018: Dave Martinez or bust (ps: must quibble with the phrasing of this. It ought to be "should", not "will.") I think "will" is a more interesting question for this board. I'm a fairly new poster here, and even I know where most people stand on the "should" question. I'm just curious what decision people think DD and ownership will make on Farrell.. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 9, 2017 21:08:14 GMT -5
Although I'm a huge Farrell defender and I don't think he should be fired, I can understand why someone (even someone as clueless as Heyman) would want to see him fired. I just don't see it. The team won the second AL East title in a row, they looked hungry and Farrell didn't do anything overtly stupid. I think he was more likely to be fired last season than he was this year. You never know with Dombrowski though. |
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Post by p23w on Oct 9, 2017 21:17:38 GMT -5
Have not a clue. Don't particularly trust the media to get it right, other then to report the name of the new field manager, if and when it happens.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Oct 9, 2017 22:25:48 GMT -5
So one of their two best starters has a bad elbow and is practically useless for the year, the defending Cy Young award winner has a terrible year, another starter who I believe was an all-star in 2016 is on the disabled list all year, the guy they traded for to pitch the 8th inning is hurt and out for the entire year, the guy they traded for the prior summer to pitch the 8th inning does not pitch until September, Bogarts,Betts, Bradley, Ramirez, Holt ,and Young all have sub par years and Pedroia's knee issue has apparently robbed him of his power ( not to mention kept him off the field for approximately a third of the year and they still manage to win the East.
So lets fire the manager who won a World Series and three division championships (including this year's) in 5 years. I would be disappointed if they fire him for someone who might be better, but more probably will be worse. I still remember the disaster that was Bobby Valentine. I have to believe DD is smart enough to figure that out and that Farrell will be back.
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 9, 2017 22:54:37 GMT -5
AL East titles should not be a barometer to keep the manager.
Particularly when you get knocked out of the playoffs quickly almost every time.
Farrell has no business being the manager next year. But there is no doubt in my mind this management team brings him back. Because if they do fire him they are admitting their mistake letting Lovullo go and making them look like fools.
So we get to see another year of mismanaging bullpens, horribly inept lineups, atrocious pinch hitting decisions, continued preferential treatment to veterans who have no merit playing besides the fact that they are veterans, the dumbest baserunning strategy in the history of baseball and most importantly a manager who rather putting the team in position to succeed as much as possible will regularly force the team to win in spite of him.
I'm hoping upon all hope that this manager who should have been fired after 2014-15, who literally only kept his job because he contracted a horrible disease (which I'm glad he beat), is no longer holding my favorite team back next year.
But I fully believe the people in charge of this team don't have the guts to cut bait with a bad manager because he has won a couple AL East titles.
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Post by soxfando on Oct 9, 2017 23:14:45 GMT -5
they should still fire him for using Steven Wright as a pinch runner.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 9, 2017 23:25:32 GMT -5
Will he get fired?
I voted that he will. I can't imagine that management will 1) keep Farrell around and 2) stay under the luxury tax limit after the Red Sox bowed out for the 2nd straight season, had a bunch of brushfires that made the team look bad, and looked clearly inferior to the Astros, Indians, and Yankees (even with the empty division title), too, by season's end.
The fanbase will want blood. They'll get it. There'll be a shakeup and there will me some moving and shaking with the roster, too. The Red Sox will spend money on free agents and the team will have a new manager, almost the way they fired Grady Little so they could get a manager who could take them to the next level, even though nobody was sure Francona, a guy with a spotty resume, could be that guy.
Likewise, I think Brad Ausmus would be my guess to become the next Red Sox manager. I wouldn't even be surprised if Farrell remained in the organization and was kicked upstairs in some sort of front office role.
I'm on the fence to as whether he SHOULD remain as manager.
It's not hard to find his faults and weaknesses.
What's harder to do is find better managers the Red Sox have had than Farrell.
I date back to Don Zimmer.
I liked Francona clearly above everybody. I liked Joe Morgan and Ralph Houk and I think Farrell is probably in that grouping or perhaps with Jimy Williams who was in a strange class by himself.
I like Farrell a lot better than Zimmer, McNamara, Hobson, Kerrigan, Little, and Valentine.
I just hope that if/when the Sox fire Farrell they do it for the right reasons, because they have a better candidate in mind, rather than because they want to appease the masses.
The fact of the matter is even though Farrell didn't manage the Series that well, it's really hard to win post-season games when your starting pitchers totally suck in EVERY single stinking start (7 of them!), and your closer can't keep a crucial game tied.
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Post by sportnik on Oct 9, 2017 23:30:29 GMT -5
Farrell is a lousy in game manager who lost control over his clubhouse to such an extent that they had to put David Price in the witness protection agency for the better part of the season. Players have a long history of regressing under Farrell. If he's back next year, I'm boycotting NESN.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 9, 2017 23:36:02 GMT -5
Farrell is a lousy in game manager who lost control over his clubhouse to such an extent that they had to put David Price in the witness protection agency for the better part of the season. Players have a long history of regressing under Farrell. If he's back next year, I'm boycotting NESN. LMAO. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Oct 10, 2017 1:16:06 GMT -5
Will he get fired? I voted that he will. I can't imagine that management will 1) keep Farrell around and 2) stay under the luxury tax limit after the Red Sox bowed out for the 2nd straight season, had a bunch of brushfires that made the team look bad, and looked clearly inferior to the Astros, Indians, and Yankees (even with the empty division title), too, by season's end. The fanbase will want blood. They'll get it. There'll be a shakeup and there will me some moving and shaking with the roster, too. The Red Sox will spend money on free agents and the team will have a new manager, almost the way they fired Grady Little so they could get a manager who could take them to the next level, even though nobody was sure Francona, a guy with a spotty resume, could be that guy. Likewise, I think Brad Ausmus would be my guess to become the next Red Sox manager. I wouldn't even be surprised if Farrell remained in the organization and was kicked upstairs in some sort of front office role. I'm on the fence to as whether he SHOULD remain as manager. It's not hard to find his faults and weaknesses. What's harder to do is find better managers the Red Sox have had than Farrell.I date back to Don Zimmer. I liked Francona clearly above everybody. I liked Joe Morgan and Ralph Houk and I think Farrell is probably in that grouping or perhaps with Jimy Williams who was in a strange class by himself. I like Farrell a lot better than Zimmer, McNamara, Hobson, Kerrigan, Little, and Valentine. I just hope that if/when the Sox fire Farrell they do it for the right reasons, because they have a better candidate in mind, rather than because they want to appease the masses. The fact of the matter is even though Farrell didn't manage the Series that well, it's really hard to win post-season games when your starting pitchers totally suck in EVERY single stinking start (7 of them!), and your closer can't keep a crucial game tied. I sure hope that isn't a qualification in the decision making process. Just because they have had worse managers in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't attempt to upgrade a manager with lots of weaknesses. I understand the logic that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. But the inverse of that is true as well. Sometimes the grass is greener. If people are okay with settling for a division title and a quick exit every year, John Farrell is your guy. If you want someone to lead your team to bigger and better things, we should be attempting to find a better manager. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 10, 2017 1:27:13 GMT -5
Managing the Sox might be one of the most scrutinized jobs in America, right next to the president. Farrell has handled that part for the most part while here, but the decision making process isn't there.
I'm sure I'll scrutinize the next guy as much as Farrell, but at least I'll give him the chance to have a leash on his decision making.
We know Farrell can't make the best decisions and doesn't put the best lineups out, bring in the right arm out of the bullpen, or manages the aggressive baserunning style he likes to play that cost the team a lot of runs this year.
I want a complete change in the coaching staff, a complete clean house. I hope this will be the case, I'm really crossing my fingers that this will happen.
The Sox have really 1 more year until they start losing players in free agency. Time to put the best decision makers in place now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 10, 2017 6:08:33 GMT -5
Will he get fired? I voted that he will. I can't imagine that management will 1) keep Farrell around and 2) stay under the luxury tax limit after the Red Sox bowed out for the 2nd straight season, had a bunch of brushfires that made the team look bad, and looked clearly inferior to the Astros, Indians, and Yankees (even with the empty division title), too, by season's end. The fanbase will want blood. They'll get it. There'll be a shakeup and there will me some moving and shaking with the roster, too. The Red Sox will spend money on free agents and the team will have a new manager, almost the way they fired Grady Little so they could get a manager who could take them to the next level, even though nobody was sure Francona, a guy with a spotty resume, could be that guy. Likewise, I think Brad Ausmus would be my guess to become the next Red Sox manager. I wouldn't even be surprised if Farrell remained in the organization and was kicked upstairs in some sort of front office role. I'm on the fence to as whether he SHOULD remain as manager. It's not hard to find his faults and weaknesses. What's harder to do is find better managers the Red Sox have had than Farrell.I date back to Don Zimmer. I liked Francona clearly above everybody. I liked Joe Morgan and Ralph Houk and I think Farrell is probably in that grouping or perhaps with Jimy Williams who was in a strange class by himself. I like Farrell a lot better than Zimmer, McNamara, Hobson, Kerrigan, Little, and Valentine. I just hope that if/when the Sox fire Farrell they do it for the right reasons, because they have a better candidate in mind, rather than because they want to appease the masses. The fact of the matter is even though Farrell didn't manage the Series that well, it's really hard to win post-season games when your starting pitchers totally suck in EVERY single stinking start (7 of them!), and your closer can't keep a crucial game tied. I sure hope that isn't a qualification in the decision making process. Just because they have had worse managers in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't attempt to upgrade a manager with lots of weaknesses. I understand the logic that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. But the inverse of that is true as well. Sometimes the grass is greener. If people are okay with settling for a division title and a quick exit every year, John Farrell is your guy. If you want someone to lead your team to bigger and better things, we should be attempting to find a better manager. No, that wasn't the point. The point is that whoever comes in probably will look great compared to what Farrell was. History shows that the Red Sox really haven't had many better managers. If the Sox think the next manager can be the next Francona, then by all means....but if you're just making change for the sake of making change, then prepared to be disappointed. As far as Farrell goes, I'm fine if he stays because the odds are the next manager won't be any better. It's not like if the next manager gets here, it's a guarantee that Price, Pomeranz, Sale, and Porcello won't suck in their post-season start, nor is it a guarantee that the team will hit in October, or that Kimbrel won't have a season killing meltdown. If Farrell goes, I won't miss him too much. I never cared for his game strategies, so whatever happens, happens (and I suspect he gets fired - with 1 year left on his deal, I doubt the Sox want a lame duck manager and I doubt Dombrowski is married to him long-term, so I think he goes. |
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Post by jdb on Oct 10, 2017 6:46:37 GMT -5
2018: Dave Martinez or bust (ps: must quibble with the phrasing of this. It ought to be "should", not "will.") Martinez with Hickey as the pitching coach sounds good to me. |
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Post by soxcentral on Oct 10, 2017 6:59:16 GMT -5
I voted he'll be back, but i don't want to see it.
The reasons being:
- a general up tightness with how this team has played for years
- the baserunning and other fundamentally unsound play that has been too common
- young players seemingly all leveling off below their projected performance when they first came up. This of course can be attributed to better scouting reports and injuries too, but it seems like a pattern has emerged with Bogaerts, JBJ, E rod, Barnes, and Betts.
Feels like it's time for a change.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 10, 2017 7:25:57 GMT -5
I voted for him to be let go, because I believe we need a real change in direction and a different voice in the club house. BUT IMO, Our fearless leader Dombroski is really the problem. I know, I know......Dave is not going anywhere, but I loved how we were set-up for the future a couple of years ago....and now it is sort of NOW or we have failed.
Look, I think Sale is great. Price was an expensive bauble. Somehow counting on Sandoval? That can't be true. Right up against the cap? Yeah we have little wiggle room because of all those dollars for 3 starters. In a way, Farrell didn't have a full deck, and that is DD's fault.
I admit Cherington signing Hanley and Pablo was crazy and started this carousel, but I miss his patience (unitl he signed those clowns). Sure fire Farrell, but send the main man out also!
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 10, 2017 7:30:47 GMT -5
The Sox missed Papi's or an equivalent bat this year. This is borne out by the stats which show the team last or near last in runs scored and home runs. Not a single grand slam this year is a prime example.
Dombrowski has got to get a power bat in the offseason. If he does, and the team stayys healthy next year, Farrell should be replaced if it doesn't advance further than the ALDS.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 10, 2017 8:00:38 GMT -5
The fact that Dombrowski didn't immediately endorse him when asked is enough for me to believe he's done.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 10, 2017 8:04:33 GMT -5
The Sox missed Papi's or an equivalent bat this year. This is borne out by the stats which show the team last or near last in runs scored and home runs. Not a single grand slam this year is a prime example. They were fifth in the American league in runs scored, despite being last in home runs. Doubles, walks, and to some extent stolen bases drove what turned out to be a pretty good offense. Improvable, sure - but already decent. Is the "no grand slams" thing getting play on talk radio or something? I've suddenly seen it a LOT in the last 48 hours. It's more of a frivolity than an interesting stat or indicative of something greater. They led the league in bases loaded doubles. |
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