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Post by jimed14 on Nov 15, 2017 18:05:44 GMT -5
I really think JDM is the backup plan and that Stanton is the #1 target. I kind of agree with it considering how short the window is now. I'd also get the best offer for JBJ and move Mookie or Benintendi to CF. We could use part of the return for JBJ to get Stanton. I'd also consider some kind of trade centered on Benintendi if the Marlins would add a nice prospect and Bour.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2017 20:42:19 GMT -5
I really think JDM is the backup plan and that Stanton is the #1 target. I kind of agree with it considering how short the window is now. I'd also get the best offer for JBJ and move Mookie or Benintendi to CF. We could use part of the return for JBJ to get Stanton. I'd also consider some kind of trade centered on Benintendi if the Marlins would add a nice prospect and Bour. If the Sox deal for Stanton I think Chavis is a goner, which is too bad. I like him and if Pedroia isn't the same down the road I think Chavis could be a 2b or he can play 1b in the 2nd half perhaps if Hanley gets hurt or he could wind up in LF in Chavis gets dealt. He has value to the organization and I like his bat. I have no desire to see Benintendi get dealt. I still see young Fred Lynn in him. I think he's going to be a .300 hitter with walks and power. Bour is a good player and I don't know how good the prospect would be, but I wouldn't deal Benintendi. Benintendi, Betts, Devers, and whoever they acquire whether it's Stanton or Martinez - that's the core of the Sox offense for years to come as Betts is the one guy to go all for to extend. I do like your idea of dealing JBJ to get the prospects Florida wants to reduce Stanton's salary obligations if the Sox obtained him, but I don't think Dombrowski is inclined to weaken the OF defense just yet and would probably deal Chavis plus somebody else (Mata?) for Stanton. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2017 21:42:30 GMT -5
I really think JDM is the backup plan and that Stanton is the #1 target. I kind of agree with it considering how short the window is now. I'd also get the best offer for JBJ and move Mookie or Benintendi to CF. We could use part of the return for JBJ to get Stanton. I'd also consider some kind of trade centered on Benintendi if the Marlins would add a nice prospect and Bour. I hope you're wrong. Stanton as the back-up plan make so much more sense. We need the best overall hitter, not the best power bat. Martinez is going to give you that and he costs only money. Then adding Benintendi so we can get Bour? Just sign Martinez and trade Bradley for a 1B guy or pieces to get one. Better yet don't move Bradley. Just sign Martinez and Duda. If you have Hanley we don't need a beast, just insurance and depth. Someone like Duda. All this Stanton talk and all that money. You should almost look at Cabrera for DH. I'm only have joking. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 15, 2017 21:49:26 GMT -5
To be honest, all the options kind of stink. Neither JD or Stanton will probably live up to their contracts but the Sox need a bat big-time. It's a tough position to be in when you're desperate.
At least there is options however. If you're looking for a ACE this off-season, then it would be Ohtani or bust really. Just like the case was for Sale last year.
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Post by scottysmalls on Nov 15, 2017 21:55:41 GMT -5
www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-case-for-acquiring-stanton/Interesting article showing that even with very poor aging Stanton could very well be worth his contract. If you're more optimistic about his most recent season or his aging, he's probably worth much more (although very possible he opts out in that case). I'd love to have Stanton, but it's contingent on so many things. I think the Red Sox would prefer to acquire him for close to his full deal and minimum player value in return, but that's hard to know. I wouldn't trade Benintendi or JBJ for him straight up, so it comes down to what value can you get for one of those guys on the open market, which may not be as strong as hoped after this season. If that's the case then I think it may make sense to sign JDM and be able to keep everyone. It also depends on what you think of JBJ and Benintendi. If Jackie is his 2016 self and Benintendi makes significant strides it really makes no sense to acquire Stanton. Overall I tend to be optimistic about this last part being close enough to true that I'd rather keep them and go with the signing, but I'd understand if Dombrowski feels differently.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 15, 2017 21:57:54 GMT -5
My thought process if the Sox do get Stanton and are able to assume nearly the entire contract, not deal JBJ, and hold onto Chavis and Ockimey (and of course Groome), and deal lesser talents..perhaps Sam Travis if the rebuilding Marlins are inclined to deal Bour elsewhere (I assume Bour would cost more assets than I'd like to see the Sox give up in their limited farm system).
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DH Stanton, and keep the best defensive OF intact. Hanley would play 1b and the Sox could find a stopgap LH hitting 1b. Money would be an issue, but if Hanley is healthy enough to get thru the first half, I think Chavis could be the guy in the 2nd half if Hanley is ineffective or injured.
To get by the 1st half, assuming Duda and Alonso, and Morrison wind up elsewhere, perhaps the Sox sign Adam Lind as insurance as he wouldn't cost too much and he can certainly function on the bench as the trusted LH PH they didn't have last year that they could have used at times.
So if Hanley gets hurt early on Lind plays 1b. If it's later on then it's Chavis assuming he's ready.
Then while everybody else is spending big bucks in offseason 2018, the Sox deal JBJ for Xander's replacement if Marcos Hernandez won't be the answer or a young pitcher or maybe a bat if need be.
My hope is that by 2019 Chavis is ready to play regularly whether it's 1b or LF. I'd assume Stanton would move back to LF although if health is a concern and Chavis can handle left, maybe it's Chavis.
The DH spot would be open for Josh Ockimey if he's ready by then. If not they can a temporary bat unless it's obvious Ockimey won't be the answer - then they'd have to sign somebody to DH - wouldn't have to spend big $ though. They'd certainly need a LH bat because if JBJ leaves they'd only have Benintendi and Devers.
Playing two young kids with plus power who don't make big $ can help offset some of the big $ they're spending on Stanton if they get him.
That's what I'd look to do over the next couple of years for the lineup.
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 15, 2017 21:58:48 GMT -5
I really think JDM is the backup plan and that Stanton is the #1 target. I kind of agree with it considering how short the window is now. I'd also get the best offer for JBJ and move Mookie or Benintendi to CF. We could use part of the return for JBJ to get Stanton. I'd also consider some kind of trade centered on Benintendi if the Marlins would add a nice prospect and Bour. I hope you're wrong. Stanton as the back-up plan make so much more sense. We need the best overall hitter, not the best power bat. Martinez is going to give you that and he costs only money. Then adding Benintendi so we can get Bour? Just sign Martinez and trade Bradley for a 1B guy or pieces to get one. Better yet don't move Bradley. Just sign Martinez and Duda. If you have Hanley we don't need a beast, just insurance and depth. Someone like Duda. All this Stanton talk and all that money. You should almost look at Cabrera for DH. I'm only have joking. And I completely disagree with this. We need the best player, and that's what Stanton is. Don't get me wrong, I won't be heartbroken if JDM is in the team next year, but he was was less than 4 fWar this year for a reason. His baserunning and defense limit his upside and delegate him to strictly DH duties for the next half dozen + years and his AAV hit will almost certainly be the same or higher than Stanton's. |
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Post by Guidas on Nov 15, 2017 22:02:56 GMT -5
My thought process if the Sox do get Stanton and are able to assume nearly the entire contract, not deal JBJ, and hold onto Chavis and Ockimey (and of course Groome), and deal lesser talents..perhaps Sam Travis if the rebuilding Marlins are inclined to deal Bour elsewhere (I assume Bour would cost more assets than I'd like to see the Sox give up in their limited farm system). For 2018: DH Stanton, and keep the best defensive OF intact. Hanley would play 1b and the Sox could find a stopgap LH hitting 1b. Money would be an issue, but if Hanley is healthy enough to get thru the first half, I think Chavis could be the guy in the 2nd half if Hanley is ineffective or injured. To get by the 1st half, assuming Duda and Alonso, and Morrison wind up elsewhere, perhaps the Sox sign Adam Lind as insurance as he wouldn't cost too much and he can certainly function on the bench as the trusted LH PH they didn't have last year that they could have used at times. So if Hanley gets hurt early on Lind plays 1b. If it's later on then it's Chavis assuming he's ready. Then while everybody else is spending big bucks in offseason 2018, the Sox deal JBJ for Xander's replacement if Marcos Hernandez won't be the answer or a young pitcher or maybe a bat if need be. My hope is that by 2019 Chavis is ready to play regularly whether it's 1b or LF. I'd assume Stanton would move back to LF although if health is a concern and Chavis can handle left, maybe it's Chavis.The DH spot would be open for Josh Ockimey if he's ready by then. If not they can a temporary bat unless it's obvious Ockimey won't be the answer - then they'd have to sign somebody to DH - wouldn't have to spend big $ though. They'd certainly need a LH bat because if JBJ leaves they'd only have Benintendi and Devers. Playing two young kids with plus power who don't make big $ can help offset some of the big $ they're spending on Stanton if they get him. That's what I'd look to do over the next couple of years for the lineup. Where does Benintendi fit into all of this? Personally, I would offer to take Stanton and all his money and offer back one of Travis or Ockimey, and hey, they can have Ben Cherington’s favorite future #2 starter Henry Owens as a throw-in. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Nov 15, 2017 23:13:03 GMT -5
Since 4/1/14 JDM and Stanton have an identical 148 wRC+, and are only separated by 30 PA's during that time. I think it's hard to argue that either player projects to be a meaningfully better hitter than the other during the next couple years (Steamer disagrees with me FWIW). Stanton walks more and hits a few more homers, while JDM makes up the difference by getting a lot more hits. The market for JDM would have to go insane in order to make trading significant talent AND absorbing Stanton's deal the superior option between the two.
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Post by soxjim on Nov 15, 2017 23:15:50 GMT -5
www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-case-for-acquiring-stanton/Interesting article showing that even with very poor aging Stanton could very well be worth his contract. If you're more optimistic about his most recent season or his aging, he's probably worth much more (although very possible he opts out in that case). I'd love to have Stanton, but it's contingent on so many things. I think the Red Sox would prefer to acquire him for close to his full deal and minimum player value in return, but that's hard to know. I wouldn't trade Benintendi or JBJ for him straight up, so it comes down to what value can you get for one of those guys on the open market, which may not be as strong as hoped after this season. If that's the case then I think it may make sense to sign JDM and be able to keep everyone. It also depends on what you think of JBJ and Benintendi. If Jackie is his 2016 self and Benintendi makes significant strides it really makes no sense to acquire Stanton. Overall I tend to be optimistic about this last part being close enough to true that I'd rather keep them and go with the signing, but I'd understand if Dombrowski feels differently. This is why I can't see the Red Sox getting him. Miami can get some nice young talent for him. As fangraphs article indicates below regarding "competitiveness," imo someone will pay and imo the Marlins will wait. The Marlins aren't going to give away a generational player. Heck, according to the article he is probably worth more than $400m. That's generational. You don't get that type of player by giving up as your main piece JBJ who in the last year 1.5 years has hit pretty bad. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-case-for-acquiring-stanton/". . . they aren’t under team control as long, and Stanton is projected for a win and a half more. The closer you are to competitiveness, the more that win-plus matters. . ." |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2017 23:39:24 GMT -5
I hope you're wrong. Stanton as the back-up plan make so much more sense. We need the best overall hitter, not the best power bat. Martinez is going to give you that and he costs only money. Then adding Benintendi so we can get Bour? Just sign Martinez and trade Bradley for a 1B guy or pieces to get one. Better yet don't move Bradley. Just sign Martinez and Duda. If you have Hanley we don't need a beast, just insurance and depth. Someone like Duda. All this Stanton talk and all that money. You should almost look at Cabrera for DH. I'm only have joking. And I completely disagree with this. We need the best player, and that's what Stanton is. Don't get me wrong, I won't be heartbroken if JDM is in the team next year, but he was was less than 4 fWar this year for a reason. His baserunning and defense limit his upside and delegate him to strictly DH duties for the next half dozen + years and his AAV hit will almost certainly be the same or higher than Stanton's. I won't even go into the fact Stanton hasn't been close to as good as he was last year for his career. Martinez in my opinion is the better pure hitter. His average shows this. Nevermind Baseball Refrence has Martinez with a higher ops projection next year. We really need the best hitter with so many of our hitters being so inconsistent. Baseball is a team sport. It's really about the best collection of talent, not just the best player. If you can have Martinez, Bradley and Chavis or Stanton, which is better? Stanton cost you assets and means you have to move an OF. With some saying Bradley and flip the return plus Chavis for Stanton. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 16, 2017 0:03:46 GMT -5
And I completely disagree with this. We need the best player, and that's what Stanton is. Don't get me wrong, I won't be heartbroken if JDM is in the team next year, but he was was less than 4 fWar this year for a reason. His baserunning and defense limit his upside and delegate him to strictly DH duties for the next half dozen + years and his AAV hit will almost certainly be the same or higher than Stanton's. I won't even go into the fact Stanton hasn't been close to as good as he was last year for his career. Martinez in my opinion is the better pure hitter. His average shows this. Nevermind Baseball Refrence has Martinez with a higher ops projection next year. We really need the best hitter with so many of our hitters being so inconsistent. Baseball is a team sport. It's really about the best collection of talent, not just the best player. If you can have Martinez, Bradley and Chavis or Stanton, which is better? Stanton cost you assets and means you have to move an OF. With some saying Bradley and flip the return plus Chavis for Stanton. And Martinez has never had a year as good as Stanton even though he's quite a few years older. As far as JDM being the better hitter, Steamer has Stanton with 30 more points of wOBA for next year, so it's a pretty big stretch to say that he's the worse hitter just because his average is lower. But the truth is that JDM is going to have to remain an elite hitter during his decline years to even get close to earning his pay. Stanton, being by far the better fielder and baserunner has much more room for error to live up to his AAV than does JDM. As far as the cost to aquire Stanton: I'll believe it when I see it that it will take what you think to acquire him. Yes, trading Bradley seems to be a must, but he's much more likely, imo, to be traded for something of value than for prospect filler in a Stanton trade. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 16, 2017 0:31:34 GMT -5
My thought process if the Sox do get Stanton and are able to assume nearly the entire contract, not deal JBJ, and hold onto Chavis and Ockimey (and of course Groome), and deal lesser talents..perhaps Sam Travis if the rebuilding Marlins are inclined to deal Bour elsewhere (I assume Bour would cost more assets than I'd like to see the Sox give up in their limited farm system). For 2018: DH Stanton, and keep the best defensive OF intact. Hanley would play 1b and the Sox could find a stopgap LH hitting 1b. Money would be an issue, but if Hanley is healthy enough to get thru the first half, I think Chavis could be the guy in the 2nd half if Hanley is ineffective or injured. To get by the 1st half, assuming Duda and Alonso, and Morrison wind up elsewhere, perhaps the Sox sign Adam Lind as insurance as he wouldn't cost too much and he can certainly function on the bench as the trusted LH PH they didn't have last year that they could have used at times. So if Hanley gets hurt early on Lind plays 1b. If it's later on then it's Chavis assuming he's ready. Then while everybody else is spending big bucks in offseason 2018, the Sox deal JBJ for Xander's replacement if Marcos Hernandez won't be the answer or a young pitcher or maybe a bat if need be. My hope is that by 2019 Chavis is ready to play regularly whether it's 1b or LF. I'd assume Stanton would move back to LF although if health is a concern and Chavis can handle left, maybe it's Chavis.The DH spot would be open for Josh Ockimey if he's ready by then. If not they can a temporary bat unless it's obvious Ockimey won't be the answer - then they'd have to sign somebody to DH - wouldn't have to spend big $ though. They'd certainly need a LH bat because if JBJ leaves they'd only have Benintendi and Devers. Playing two young kids with plus power who don't make big $ can help offset some of the big $ they're spending on Stanton if they get him. That's what I'd look to do over the next couple of years for the lineup. Where does Benintendi fit into all of this? Personally, I would offer to take Stanton and all his money and offer back one of Travis or Ockimey, and hey, they can have Ben Cherington’s favorite future #2 starter Henry Owens as a throw-in. In the scenario where either Stanton or Chavis man LF, Benintendi would be in CF with Betts in RF or vice versa because JBJ would have been traded away. I'd personally much rather give up Sam Travis than Josh Ockimey. I'm now no longer convinced that Travis will ever hit for the power necessary to be an impact 1b and he hasn't shown enough of a hit tool to get away with being a guy hitting a dozen homers per year. Ockimey is more of a three true outcomes kind of guy and he's the most promising LH hitter left in the minors. He does have raw power that he might be able to tap into. The question with him is will he hit enough. I'm not convinced yet that he won't. The only guy Henry Owens could be traded straight up for at this point is Daniel Bard. Just so I'm perfectly clear, unless the Sox can get Stanton for Sam Travis or less I would prefer to see the Sox go sign JD Martinez. I think Martinez is a better hitter, but Stanton has been just a hair better offensively and Stanton has been a serviceable OF which is more than you can say about Martinez. But as has been said elsewhere I'd sign JD Martinez, keep JBJ and Chavis as opposed to dealing JBJ and Chavis to go along with acquiring Stanton. The one question I have that maybe somebody here can answer is what happened to JD Martinez in Arizona? Why did he suddenly go from being a really excellent hitter with good power to being a really excellent hitter with ridiculous HR power? I mean he hit 45 homers in 119. Projected over 162 games and you get around 62 homers. Is he capable of anywhere near that if healthy over a full season? Why did he suddenly go HR crazy in AZ? I mean if that's a new level of performance rather than a fluke, then he's really the guy to get. I believe that Stanton is more likely to approach 60 homers again and has a shot at 500 - 600 HRs in his career, but has Martinez found something to make himself a 40 plus HR threat over the next few years? (Assuming that baseballs keep flying out of the park - they're shortening the strike zone to at the top of the knee instead of at the bottom of the knee so I can still see HRs being hit. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2017 1:06:15 GMT -5
I won't even go into the fact Stanton hasn't been close to as good as he was last year for his career. Martinez in my opinion is the better pure hitter. His average shows this. Nevermind Baseball Refrence has Martinez with a higher ops projection next year. We really need the best hitter with so many of our hitters being so inconsistent. Baseball is a team sport. It's really about the best collection of talent, not just the best player. If you can have Martinez, Bradley and Chavis or Stanton, which is better? Stanton cost you assets and means you have to move an OF. With some saying Bradley and flip the return plus Chavis for Stanton. And Martinez has never had a year as good as Stanton even though he's quite a few years older. As far as JDM being the better hitter, Steamer has Stanton with 30 more points of wOBA for next year, so it's a pretty big stretch to say that he's the worse hitter just because his average is lower. But the truth is that JDM is going to have to remain an elite hitter during his decline years to even get close to earning his pay. Stanton, being by far the better fielder and baserunner has much more room for error to live up to his AAV than does JDM. As far as the cost to aquire Stanton: I'll believe it when I see it that it will take what you think to acquire him. Yes, trading Bradley seems to be a must, but he's much more likely, imo, to be traded for something of value than for prospect filler in a Stanton trade. Last 4 years of offensive bwar Martinez 4.3, 4.6, 4.0 and 4.7, Stanton 5.9, 2.7, 2.1 and 6.5. That's 17.6 for Martinez and 17.2 for Stanton. Who's is better? The consistent guy or the guy with up and down years? For this team I prefer the player that doesn't have up and down years. I feel this team needs more of a high average hitter because of the makeup of the team and its streaky hitters. Thats not what I think, just an idea from a poster. I have no clue, but it will cost a good amount . I will change my opinion if it cost Travis and Beeks. Then flip Bradley for a 1B/DH. So trading Bradley allows us to not gut our system. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 16, 2017 1:38:14 GMT -5
And Martinez has never had a year as good as Stanton even though he's quite a few years older. As far as JDM being the better hitter, Steamer has Stanton with 30 more points of wOBA for next year, so it's a pretty big stretch to say that he's the worse hitter just because his average is lower. But the truth is that JDM is going to have to remain an elite hitter during his decline years to even get close to earning his pay. Stanton, being by far the better fielder and baserunner has much more room for error to live up to his AAV than does JDM. As far as the cost to aquire Stanton: I'll believe it when I see it that it will take what you think to acquire him. Yes, trading Bradley seems to be a must, but he's much more likely, imo, to be traded for something of value than for prospect filler in a Stanton trade. Last 4 years of offensive bwar Martinez 4.3, 4.6, 4.0 and 4.7, Stanton 5.9, 2.7, 2.1 and 6.5. That's 17.6 for Martinez and 17.2 for Stanton. Who's is better? The consistent guy or the guy with up and down years? For this team I prefer the player that doesn't have up and down years. I feel this team needs more of a high average hitter because of the makeup of the team and its streaky hitters. Thats not what I think, just an idea from a poster. I have no clue, but it will cost a good amount . I will change my opinion if it cost Travis and Beeks. Then flip Bradley for a 1B/DH. So trading Bradley allows us to not gut our system. How long will you keep pretending like defense and baserunning don't count? In the same four year stretch that you're citing, JD Martinez has been worth 5.2 less in defensive bWar than Stanton and according to FanGraphs' baserunning metric he is another ~1 win worse. With all of these numbers happening before Stanton's peak age even get started, it's not really hard to see that he will easily be the better player (and almost assuredly the better hitter) going forward. Having said all these things I'll again repeat what I said before: I will not be heartbroken whatsoever if JD Martinez is on the Sox on opening day. Hell, I'll even admit that it's by far the more likely scenario. But he's absolutely not the better overall player than Stanton - and I will always prefer the better overall player when the AAV is as close as it will be. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2017 2:27:48 GMT -5
Most people have Martinez pegged as a DH. I don't think we sign Martinez to play the OF, maybe 1B. I don't see the gain in D, when you have to remove Bradley for Stanton.
This isn't a Martinez versus Stanton only type thing. They are both going to cost per year around the same. Yet Stanton cost assets and money. Martinez is only money. You have no clue who the better hitter will be. No one does. I post that Baseball Refrence has Martinez being better next year and you post so and so think Stanton is. It just goes to show that it's a toss up. At the same time Martinez is the better bet to be that .300 hitter we really need with power. He has done that 3 of the last 4 years. Stanton is a lower average more power type guy. I will always bet on the better pure hitters i.e. the guys with higher averages to age better. Nevermind with a team built to win in the next two years and we start losing guys most likely after next year. I want the more consistent player. I can see people loving Stanton if the last 3 years happen again, ok but not great 2018 and 2019, with a monster 2020. Yet we are retooling in 2020.
So what does Stanton cost in trade? Who do we trade Bradley for? Who plays 1B or DH after you get Stanton?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 16, 2017 2:53:01 GMT -5
I don't agree that Stanton isn't consistently great. Stanton literally got his face crushed in by a hit by pitch 3 years ago. His down years were the 2 following seasons after that hit by pitch.
Two years later in 2017, it looks like he's better than ever this past season and he's fully back and recovered.
Get back to me with Stanton's worst years if he isn't getting hit in the face with pitches.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2017 3:16:38 GMT -5
I don't agree that Stanton isn't consistently great. Stanton literally got his face crushed in by a hit by pitch 3 years ago. His down years were the 2 following seasons after that hit by pitch. Two years later in 2017, it looks like he's better than ever this past season and he's fully back and recovered. Get back to me with Stanton's worst years if he isn't getting hit in the face with pitches. So 2015 was because of that and not the fact he got injured? His hitting numbers were just fine, he showed no signs of it having any impact. Then he got injured and missed half a year. So I don't buy that for one second. 2016 was just a down year, with injuries again being an issue. 2017 he was fully healthy playing in a career high number of games, hence the huge year. Injuries are an issue with him and they usually don't just go away the older you get. Go look at his games played over the years, that really tells the story. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 16, 2017 4:02:12 GMT -5
I don't agree that Stanton isn't consistently great. Stanton literally got his face crushed in by a hit by pitch 3 years ago. His down years were the 2 following seasons after that hit by pitch. Two years later in 2017, it looks like he's better than ever this past season and he's fully back and recovered. Get back to me with Stanton's worst years if he isn't getting hit in the face with pitches. So 2015 was because of that and not the fact he got injured? His hitting numbers were just fine, he showed no signs of it having any impact. You literally have no way of knowing that it did or did not affect his hitting. He's a great hitter regardless. It's a miracle he even put those numbers he put up in 2015. He posted the two worst years in his career OBP wise those two years outside of his rookie season. There is every indication that he probably wasn't seeing the ball as well those two years either due to vision problems or tentativenes after getting hit in the face. |
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Post by danr on Nov 16, 2017 4:16:42 GMT -5
I think the Sox should sign JDM AND trade for Stanton. It's taking me a while to come around to this position. The Sox should go for the best possible combination. They have money and they have enough prospects to make the Stanton trade. We are in the era of super teams and the Sox should be one of them. I am assuming that Hanley will be able to handle most of the load at 1B and that JBJ would go to Miami along with a couple of prospects not named Chavis or Groome.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 16, 2017 4:19:36 GMT -5
I think the Sox should sign JDM AND trade for Stanton. It's taking me a while to come around to this position. The Sox should go for the best possible combination. They have money and they have enough prospects to make the Stanton trade. We are in the era of super teams and the Sox should be one of them. I am assuming that Hanley will be able to handle most of the load at 1B and that JBJ would go to Miami along with a couple of prospects not named Chavis or Groome. I think this could only be possible if you manage to clear Porcello's salary, which I'm open to doing if I'm the Sox. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2017 7:42:47 GMT -5
A couple things:
Does it concern anyone that both Martinez ask Stanton miss a lot of games each year? Just look at the games played numbers for each of them over the last 4 years or so. Its not pretty. I’d be happy to have either under the right circumstances but the games played is worrisome.
There are very few teams that can absorb Stanton’s Contract. The real money is about to start so if the Marlins want (need) to rid themselves of it then at the end of the day their options are limited and any team taking on that contract shouldn’t be giving up real prospects for it. It’s an albatross and just because Harper will make more doesn’t make it any less of one. They can have guys like Travis, Beeks, Johnson, Swithart and Dalbec (not all of them but those types).
If they get Stanton and maybe even if they don’t, it’s time to deal Bradley.
Porcello is going to have a bounce back year. Keep him.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 16, 2017 8:03:22 GMT -5
The attractive thing about Stanton is the $25 million AAV. JDM will probably surpass that or at least come close. Stanton is the much better player because he's actually a very decent RF, which would allow the Red Sox to trade JBJ or Benintendi. He is not Mookie Betts out there, but he is above average and has an above average range.
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 16, 2017 8:18:24 GMT -5
Who plays 1B or DH after you get Stanton? Ideally someone that JBJ brings back in a trade with Belt being my ideal candidate, but by trading JBJ you would save enough money to be able to sign a first baseman with no trouble if need be. So I'll ask you the same question. Who plays 1B after you get Martinez? If your answer is Hanley then that's just not an idea I'll ever get behind - and if you answer someone besides Hanley then what exactly will we be doing with our $22M player that will be pissed off that he isn't at least given the opportunity to try and vest his option? |
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 16, 2017 9:00:31 GMT -5
Stanton's a solid defender, but for a guy with his injury history, I'd prefer to keep him out of the most difficult RF in baseball. He's had groin and hamstring trouble in the past, and we're looking to acquire him for his bat to be in the lineup as much as possible. Left field with the opportunity to DH a substantial amount would be ideal, especially as he continues to age out of his twenties. He strikes me as the type of guy who will slow down considerably (range-wise), earlier than some other physical profiles.
RE: Hanley, I'm fine with the approach of DL'ing him if he's not able to play first base regularly. His glove may be below average, but he's not a complete butcher. And you'd want to bring in a LHH, solid defensive option for first, potentially knocking Holt off the roster. Unfortunately Travis just didn't show enough last year to be the option for 2018 that we'd hoped he'd be.
It's an absolute no-brainer to target JDM over Stanton. Hanley's situation isn't crippling enough to be a real factor in pursuing Stanton (and moving a current OF) instead.
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