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Post by ramireja on Jan 20, 2018 17:31:25 GMT -5
Aside from a thread announcing his draft selection, we do not have a C.J. Chatham thread which isn't all that surprising given how little he has played. I'm starting one now with a link to an article recapping his injury-filled 2017 with some offseason updates. Here's to hoping he can stay healthy in 2018 and put himself on the prospect map.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jan 20, 2018 20:01:47 GMT -5
Sox could really use some depth at the middle infield position, a guy like C.J. Taking a step forward would make this system look a lot stronger.
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 4, 2018 13:20:32 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 30, 2018 21:48:57 GMT -5
Given that his defense is his best asset, is there a chance he gets some reps at different infield positions next season? Would give him a better shot at the majors and more value as a potential super-utility guy.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 10, 2018 9:08:15 GMT -5
Given that his defense is his best asset, is there a chance he gets some reps at different infield positions next season? Would give him a better shot at the majors and more value as a potential super-utility guy. I disagree with the initial premise. It's more of an average-across-the-board profile. Anyway, he's probably a year away from getting reps at other positions. Tough to see that happening much if, as we project, he's sharing an infield with Dalbec and Netzer again to start the year in Portland, as both of those guys need regular reps too.
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 10, 2018 10:37:32 GMT -5
I disagree with the initial premise. It's more of an average-across-the-board profile. Anyway, he's probably a year away from getting reps at other positions. Tough to see that happening much if, as we project, he's sharing an infield with Dalbec and Netzer again to start the year in Portland, as both of those guys need regular reps too. Is Chatam too far away to have any impact on Bogaerts' free agency? I would say yes. He’s probably going to start the year in Portland and a good year will see him finish in Pawtucket. Even that’s not guaranteed though. Anything outside of a crazy, crazy good year I wouldn’t feel comfortable with him as a starting SS in 2020. And asking him to take over for Bogaerts without even seeing him play above high-A, we don’t even know if he’s going to be a major league regular at this point.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 10, 2018 10:56:28 GMT -5
Tzu-Wei Lin had a 129 wRC+ in AAA and a 99 in MLB last year as a good defensive shortstop. We don't need Chatham anytime soon. I feel comfortable in saying Lin would easily be a 2 win player if he were the fulltime SS as a conservative estimate.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 10, 2018 12:21:15 GMT -5
I disagree with the initial premise. It's more of an average-across-the-board profile. Anyway, he's probably a year away from getting reps at other positions. Tough to see that happening much if, as we project, he's sharing an infield with Dalbec and Netzer again to start the year in Portland, as both of those guys need regular reps too. Is Chatam too far away to have any impact on Bogaerts' free agency? Too far away and doesn't even project to be a starting MLB SS right now in my (and the site's) opinion, so definitely not. Tzu-Wei Lin had a 129 wRC+ in AAA and a 99 in MLB last year as a good defensive shortstop. We don't need Chatham anytime soon. I feel comfortable in saying Lin would easily be a 2 win player if he were the fulltime SS as a conservative estimate. I think that's incredibly aggressive. There were 18 2-win shortstops in MLB last year (FG), and that counts guys like Baez, Chris Taylor, Jurickson Profar, and Daniel Robertson who saw a great deal of time at other positions. So in other words, you're saying he'd be in the top half of the league's shortstops. Given that he hasn't been able to convince the team to give him a full-time bench spot while Blake Swihart wears a hole into the bench says to me that they, at least don't agree with that projection at all. I like Lin a LOT as the guy to replace Holt and/or Nunez after this season, but I'm not sure I'm in on him as a regular.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 10, 2018 12:45:46 GMT -5
Is Chatam too far away to have any impact on Bogaerts' free agency? Too far away and doesn't even project to be a starting MLB SS right now in my (and the site's) opinion, so definitely not. Tzu-Wei Lin had a 129 wRC+ in AAA and a 99 in MLB last year as a good defensive shortstop. We don't need Chatham anytime soon. I feel comfortable in saying Lin would easily be a 2 win player if he were the fulltime SS as a conservative estimate. I think that's incredibly aggressive. There were 18 2-win shortstops in MLB last year (FG), and that counts guys like Baez, Chris Taylor, Jurickson Profar, and Daniel Robertson who saw a great deal of time at other positions. So in other words, you're saying he'd be in the top half of the league's shortstops. Given that he hasn't been able to convince the team to give him a full-time bench spot while Blake Swihart wears a hole into the bench says to me that they, at least don't agree with that projection at all. I like Lin a LOT as the guy to replace Holt and/or Nunez after this season, but I'm not sure I'm in on him as a regular. Lin hasn't broken through because he's left handed and is the only one with options. He didn't take Swihart's place because they still wanted to extract some value from him and didn't want to give him up for nothing. If Lin were right handed, I doubt they would have signed Nunez. If Xander went down for any length of time, I'd expect Lin to be the starting shortstop. There were many times during the season where I would have rather had Lin playing 2B over Nunez, who was playing below replacement level. So I don't really agree with how they (didn't) use Lin last year. He looks like he should be able to hit some and still should be above average defensively at SS.
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Post by michael on Nov 10, 2018 13:33:00 GMT -5
There were 18 2-win shortstops in MLB last year (FG), and that counts guys like Baez, Chris Taylor, Jurickson Profar, and Daniel Robertson who saw a great deal of time at other positions. So in other words, you're saying he'd be in the top half of the league's shortstops. Given that he hasn't been able to convince the team to give him a full-time bench spot while Blake Swihart wears a hole into the bench says to me that they, at least don't agree with that projection at all.
I like Lin a LOT as the guy to replace Holt and/or Nunez after this season, but I'm not sure I'm in on him as a regular.[/quote]
Chris, I don't think Sweihart with his use him or lose him caveat was an apt comparison. I speculate that if Lin was more highly regarded last Jan, the Sox might have considered him over Nunez. Just pickin' nits.
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Post by classylefthander on Nov 10, 2018 14:57:26 GMT -5
Now that he is healthy and apparently recovered from his wrist injury does Chatham rework his swing to develop more power? Does he have that potential given his build?
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Post by unitspin on Nov 11, 2018 19:20:21 GMT -5
I may be in minority but I would rather a stop gap at ss for a cpl years then strap the team with a ten year contract. Xander is a hell of a player but he is not a game changer. So giving him in the range of 20 for 10 years is a no brainier for me to say good luck with your next club. Now if he is willing to take 5 years at 20 then I'd change my mind but 10 years no way. All the saber metrics in the world can not justify a ten year contract.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 12, 2018 8:32:55 GMT -5
I may be in minority but I would rather a stop gap at ss for a cpl years then strap the team with a ten year contract. Xander is a hell of a player but he is not a game changer. So giving him in the range of 20 for 10 years is a no brainier for me to say good luck with your next club. Now if he is willing to take 5 years at 20 then I'd change my mind but 10 years no way. All the saber metrics in the world can not justify a ten year contract. I hope this year represents a 25-year-old breakout for him (and it probably does; all-star at 23 with second half fade, overplayed through an injury at 24, improved on AS year at 25 with full-year production) but given the potential need for a position change, he's not the kind of player I'd want to commit to more than 5/6 years either. His bat as-is will play anywhere but it's unclear whether he could man the hot corner and doubt he's agile enough for 2nd, so by the end of the contract we'd be talking first? Left field with no experience?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 13, 2018 14:02:58 GMT -5
I may be in minority but I would rather a stop gap at ss for a cpl years then strap the team with a ten year contract. Xander is a hell of a player but he is not a game changer. So giving him in the range of 20 for 10 years is a no brainier for me to say good luck with your next club. Now if he is willing to take 5 years at 20 then I'd change my mind but 10 years no way. All the saber metrics in the world can not justify a ten year contract. I'd like all of our home grown players to stick around, but only if their contracts make sense. That's why I was wondering about Chatham. If Xander got real expensive, then I'm ok with him going somewhere else. However, if Chatham isn't a long-term solution then you're talking about a stop gap to get us to Flores and he's so far off that we're not really talking stop gap anymore. Not a great place to be in. That's going to be the issue with Xander next year. He may not be the best player on the team, but he will be difficult to replace and we have no reason to expect anyone in the farm system stepping up in the next year or two. I doubt if Chatham will pass Lin or Hernandez (if he can get back on track). I hope he does but I just don't see it with no standout tools.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 15, 2019 22:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 16, 2019 6:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by dmaineah on Apr 18, 2019 22:44:20 GMT -5
With Bogaerts locked up and Pedroia hobbling the Sox should have Chatham start seeing time at Second Base and maybe even Center Field. If he keeps hitting it be nice to have him ready as a utility player along with Lin & Chavis.
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Post by dmaineah on Apr 25, 2019 3:48:40 GMT -5
Chatham should be promoted to AAA
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 25, 2019 6:42:23 GMT -5
Chatham should be promoted to AAA He’s played 14 games at Portland. There’s no need to rush him. Nor has he earned a promotion that quickly yet.
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Post by tookme55 on Apr 25, 2019 20:13:14 GMT -5
I'd like to see Chatham get some time in the OF.
How do we position following players?
Devers Chavis Chatham Dalbec
SS is Xander's.
I am intrigued by having a power bat play 2B. I think Chavis can be adequate 2B defensively. Gold Glover? Absolutely not. A guy with 30 HR pop at 2B is great upgrade.
To me Dalbec at 3B and Devers to 1B make more sense. I'm guessing fielding is a draw at best but throwing across the diamond edge goes to Dalbec.
With that, I would move Chatam to LF. Move Beni to CF and trade JBJ. He simply struggles too much at the plate.
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 25, 2019 22:58:17 GMT -5
I'd like to see Chatham get some time in the OF. How do we position following players? Devers Chavis Chatham Dalbec SS is Xander's. I am intrigued by having a power bat play 2B. I think Chavis can be adequate 2B defensively. Gold Glover? Absolutely not. A guy with 30 HR pop at 2B is great upgrade. To me Dalbec at 3B and Devers to 1B make more sense. I'm guessing fielding is a draw at best but throwing across the diamond edge goes to Dalbec. With that, I would move Chatam to LF. Move Beni to CF and trade JBJ. He simply struggles too much at the plate. I’m curious as to what makes you think he can even play the outfield. Chatham is a shortstop. A reasonably good defensive one. I’m all for positional versatility, but the idea that you can just move anyone anywhere is ridiculous.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 25, 2019 23:13:44 GMT -5
I’m encouraged by Chatham’s solid 2018 and his following that up with a nice start to 2019. He’s shown good selectivity/discipline (those walk and whiff rates stabilize pretty quickly, 50-60 PA) despite moving up a level. He’s historically been a GB/LD hitter (had a horrific iffb rate last year though), so getting the ball in the air more would help. I think it was soxscout who posted a batted-ball distribution earlier this season and Chatham seems to continue with what he’s been doing: fewer GB than in the past, some gap power, goes oppo. The oppo and LD approach bode well for BABIP, but there’s no way in hell he’s going to go .430-something on BABIP. So the average is due to regress a LOT. But I could still see him hitting .320 with 25-30 2b and 5-10 HR this year. Personally, I’d like to see him up his angle a bit and start selling out for power some. His K rate is quite low. I also wonder if his flat swing path plays a role in all those IFFB. Getting on-plane might help there. He’s a pretty tall guy, at least wiry-gangly, so I think he’s got room to add strength and power. And the hit tool is certainly solid, which is nice to see. Despite missing a lot of time, he’s still progressing AND showing improvement as he progresses. All good signs.
Idk where the hit tool lands unltimately, but 10% walk rate with a 13% K rate and a .170 Iso is excellent for a SS. I’m especially encouraged by the fact he’s having AA success and continuing to hit for nice gap power...the .350+ BA isn’t empty. As Chris said, he’s kinda average-across-the-board, except game power. But an average defensive SS who might (*might*) eek out a 55-60 hit tool, with 35-40 game power but plenty of doubles...that’s a solid player. He’s got plenty of time to develop, too, with Bogey extended. A full year in AA, maybe a short AAA cameo...who knows? Like I said, if he hits .320, with his walk rate and current IsoP, that’s a .320/.390/.490 season, which is something to genuinely get excited about. He’s older, but he’s had a lot of injuries. Could be knocking on the door of being a starting MLB SS. But he’s still got a LONG ways to go. I wouldn’t promote him until late July at the earliest, and only then if he’s got a line like I posted above. No rush...let him have some success and make adjustments.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 25, 2019 23:23:20 GMT -5
As I noted in the gameday thread yesterday, Chatham has a very high BABIP, but his BABIP really isn't inflating his line that much. He has a ton of doubles, VERY few strikeouts, and he's walking more than he ever has. Granted, if his OPS is like .880 rather than close to 1.000 then the box score scouts aren't talking about promoting him, but he's still been one of the two or three most impressive players in the system so far this year either way. Arguably the most impressive, since Fitzgerald's and Duran's hot starts are more BABIP-driven than Chatham's.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2019 3:06:39 GMT -5
I believe the only path to Catham on this team in 2020 is if Devers moves to first and Catham moves to third base. If that doesn't happen, then I have no idea what the plan is for him. Probably trade bait based off of his good first half this year.
Xander isn't going anywhere and the Sox have like 4 options at second base in 2020 in Pedrioa, Lin, and maybe Chavis/Marco Hernandez.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 26, 2019 7:41:21 GMT -5
For context, CJ Chatham is hitting .351/.415/.509 in his first 65 AA plate appearances. We are acting like his bat is ready for MLB right now.
Garin Cecchini hit .400/.507/.564 in his first 67 AA plate appearances (his age 22 season compared to Chatham's age 24 season). He hit .265/.395/.357 the rest of the way that season in 228 PA as AA pitching adjusted to him. He went on to be unable to hit major league pitching.
Let's calm down here and let Chatham get some plate appearances in what might wind up being Chatham's first professional season without a significant injury if he stays healthy, eh?
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