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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 15:05:26 GMT -5
Reports say Hosmer has a 7-year deal on the table from San Diego that would make him the highest paid Padre in history.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 2, 2018 16:19:16 GMT -5
Reports say Hosmer has a 7-year deal on the table from San Diego that would make him the highest paid Padre in history. Like the Red Sox/Martinez 5-year offer news, this comes from Nightengale, so interpret it accordingly. Also, Wil Myers' 6/83 extension is the largest contract in franchise history, so that's not even saying very much. (If you go AAV, it's Shields at 4/75, so you'd be looking at 7/132, but I'd presume they mean the former.) So all we know is it's at least 7/84, which is nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 18:47:30 GMT -5
Good info. I was researching what the biggest contract in Padres history could be. Saw Will Myers contract and the numbers and moved on thinking there was a larger deal out there
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 2, 2018 19:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 2, 2018 20:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by kman22 on Jan 2, 2018 20:32:57 GMT -5
I wonder where this plan has them moving...
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Post by mredsox89 on Jan 3, 2018 9:40:20 GMT -5
The Royals have offered Hosmer 7/147, the Padres 7/140
Good lord
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 3, 2018 9:41:26 GMT -5
That number for Hosmer is crazypants.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 3, 2018 10:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 3, 2018 10:17:52 GMT -5
"Big profits" likely consist of entirely revenue sharing, which they won't spend on payroll. Baseball's CBA is so horrible.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 3, 2018 10:27:43 GMT -5
The Royals have offered Hosmer 7/147, the Padres 7/140 Good lord Feeling a bit better about Moreland at 1/10th the cost. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 10:45:02 GMT -5
Carlos Santana received a 3year 60 million dollar contract. Mitch Moreland got 2years 13 million. Here's a comparison. Santana 3.4war 23hr 79rbi .259ba 363obp
Moreland 2.0war 22hr 79rbi .246ba .326obp
Moreland looks like a good deal
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Post by mredsox89 on Jan 3, 2018 10:54:28 GMT -5
Moreland is a good deal. It becomes less of a worthwhile deal if they don't sign JDM or have some other elite bat
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Post by pedroiaesque on Jan 3, 2018 11:50:06 GMT -5
"Big profits" likely consist of entirely revenue sharing, which they won't spend on payroll. Baseball's CBA is so horrible. There are some questionable numbers being thrown around by Jeter in this article... - A spike in attendance from 820,000 in 2017 to 1.1 million in 2018, 1.2 million in 2019, 1.35 million in 2020, 1.5 million in 2021, and 1.65 million in 2022.
- Revenue from a new TV deal from $17-20M to $50-55M, which doesn't even kick in until 2021
- Increase in corporate sponsorship revenue
So, he wants to strip all the talent from this team, and he expects more people to come to the park and sponsors to be so excited that they pay more. Seems legit.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 3, 2018 11:59:50 GMT -5
"Big profits" likely consist of entirely revenue sharing, which they won't spend on payroll. Baseball's CBA is so horrible. There are some questionable numbers being thrown around by Jeter in this article... - A spike in attendance from 820,000 in 2017 to 1.1 million in 2018, 1.2 million in 2019, 1.35 million in 2020, 1.5 million in 2021, and 1.65 million in 2022.
- Revenue from a new TV deal from $17-20M to $50-55M, which doesn't even kick in until 2021
- Increase in corporate sponsorship revenue
So, he wants to strip all the talent from this team, and he expects more people to come to the park and sponsors to be so excited that they pay more. Seems legit.
Who would be surprised if he came out of retirement and paid himself $20 million a year to play SS?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 3, 2018 12:12:44 GMT -5
Jeter is baiting even the few Marlins fans they do have into not going to the ballpark this year. Does this guy realize that Miami doesn't like him or does he think everyone still likes him because he's Jeter?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 3, 2018 12:30:45 GMT -5
The Royals have offered Hosmer 7/147, the Padres 7/140 Good lord Which losing team does he want to go to? That's a great question. If he wants the most money, go to Missouri in Kansas City. Less taxes than Cali. However, that part of California is beautiful and the Padres could be closer to winning, which could be a factor. Bowden said last night that Hosmer was looking for a no trade clause also. I don't know if it was a full no trade, or a full no trade for the first 3 years or so with a opt out. There's so many ways to build a contract these days.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 3, 2018 12:41:07 GMT -5
Carlos Santana received a 3year 60 million dollar contract. Mitch Moreland got 2years 13 million. Here's a comparison. Santana 3.4war 23hr 79rbi .259ba 363obp Moreland 2.0war 22hr 79rbi .246ba .326obp Moreland looks like a good deal FYI, it's helpful to label your WAR numbers. Looks like you were using Baseball Reference, so bWAR, as opposed to fWAR from Fangraphs. They're calculated quite differently, so that's a good benchmark to give folks. As for the comparison, I don't think I agree if you're trying to say that the players are similar, or really even close to being so. 1.4 WAR is actually pretty significant. A 2-WAR player is an average regular. A 3.4-WAR player is an impact regular. And it's also worth noting that Fangraphs has the two at 3.0 WAR and 0.9 WAR for last year, respectively, an even bigger gap. 37 points of OBP is also very significant - a .326 obp is average-ish, while a .363 obp is very good to great (Santana was 13th in the AL in obp last year). Throw in the immense difference in track record - Santana has played at this level for seven years and has been one of the top 30 or so hitters in baseball during that time, while Moreland has only one other season as good as his 2017 - and that's why there's a huge difference in their respective contracts. Moreland is actually half a year older too. For me, looking at the comparison, Santana's contract actually doesn't look as bad as I thought it did.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 3, 2018 13:06:25 GMT -5
The Royals have offered Hosmer 7/147, the Padres 7/140 Good lord I'm sure this won't hold but so far this is the saddest sentence I've read in 2018.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 3, 2018 14:36:14 GMT -5
Carlos Santana received a 3year 60 million dollar contract. Mitch Moreland got 2years 13 million. Here's a comparison. Santana 3.4war 23hr 79rbi .259ba 363obp Moreland 2.0war 22hr 79rbi .246ba .326obp Moreland looks like a good deal FYI, it's helpful to label your WAR numbers. Looks like you were using Baseball Reference, so bWAR, as opposed to fWAR from Fangraphs. They're calculated quite differently, so that's a good benchmark to give folks. As for the comparison, I don't think I agree if you're trying to say that the players are similar, or really even close to being so. 1.4 WAR is actually pretty significant. A 2-WAR player is an average regular. A 3.4-WAR player is an impact regular. And it's also worth noting that Fangraphs has the two at 3.0 WAR and 0.9 WAR for last year, respectively, an even bigger gap. 37 points of OBP is also very significant - a .326 obp is average-ish, while a .363 obp is very good to great (Santana was 13th in the AL in obp last year). Throw in the immense difference in track record - Santana has played at this level for seven years and has been one of the top 30 or so hitters in baseball during that time, while Moreland has only one other season as good as his 2017 - and that's why there's a huge difference in their respective contracts. Moreland is actually half a year older too. For me, looking at the comparison, Santana's contract actually doesn't look as bad as I thought it did. In my mind I prefer MM at 2/13 over Santana at 3/60. I prefer the contract for the production cost. I like the fit with Hanley and hopefully JD splitting Abs at 1st and dh. And I think the Sox like MM in the clubhouse which you don't know how CS will fit in. Also can you platoon Santana? I don't think so. I am bullish on both MM and Hanley for next year so I think this course just makes sense. Of course the Sox need to sign JD for it to work as planned but I think that is going to happen soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 15:03:45 GMT -5
Sorry. Forgot to include the gold glove and Mitch's pitching prowess.Who knows Mitch maybe Dombrowski's answer to Otani
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jan 3, 2018 15:22:06 GMT -5
There are some questionable numbers being thrown around by Jeter in this article... - A spike in attendance from 820,000 in 2017 to 1.1 million in 2018, 1.2 million in 2019, 1.35 million in 2020, 1.5 million in 2021, and 1.65 million in 2022.
- Revenue from a new TV deal from $17-20M to $50-55M, which doesn't even kick in until 2021
- Increase in corporate sponsorship revenue
So, he wants to strip all the talent from this team, and he expects more people to come to the park and sponsors to be so excited that they pay more. Seems legit.
Who would be surprised if he came out of retirement and paid himself $20 million a year to play SS? AND then traded himself to another team for pennies on the dollar.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 3, 2018 16:13:24 GMT -5
FYI, it's helpful to label your WAR numbers. Looks like you were using Baseball Reference, so bWAR, as opposed to fWAR from Fangraphs. They're calculated quite differently, so that's a good benchmark to give folks. As for the comparison, I don't think I agree if you're trying to say that the players are similar, or really even close to being so. 1.4 WAR is actually pretty significant. A 2-WAR player is an average regular. A 3.4-WAR player is an impact regular. And it's also worth noting that Fangraphs has the two at 3.0 WAR and 0.9 WAR for last year, respectively, an even bigger gap. 37 points of OBP is also very significant - a .326 obp is average-ish, while a .363 obp is very good to great (Santana was 13th in the AL in obp last year). Throw in the immense difference in track record - Santana has played at this level for seven years and has been one of the top 30 or so hitters in baseball during that time, while Moreland has only one other season as good as his 2017 - and that's why there's a huge difference in their respective contracts. Moreland is actually half a year older too. For me, looking at the comparison, Santana's contract actually doesn't look as bad as I thought it did. In my mind I prefer MM at 2/13 over Santana at 3/60. I prefer the contract for the production cost. I like the fit with Hanley and hopefully JD splitting Abs at 1st and dh. And I think the Sox like MM in the clubhouse which you don't know how CS will fit in. Also can you platoon Santana? I don't think so. I am bullish on both MM and Hanley for next year so I think this course just makes sense. Of course the Sox need to sign JD for it to work as planned but I think that is going to happen soon. My point wasn't to say that the Red Sox should have signed Santana. My point is that the fact that Moreland got 2/13 actually makes 3/60 for Santana not look as bad to me as it looked in a vacuum (although the AAV is definitely higher than it probably needed to be).
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 3, 2018 16:24:41 GMT -5
The good news is that Hosmer looks like the first shoe to drop with the Boras clients. After that we could get a Arrieta or J.D. Martinez signing after, because Boras likes to get one or two players deals closed at a time.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 3, 2018 21:51:59 GMT -5
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