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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2018 16:04:22 GMT -5
I think people are underrating or forgetting about Hernandez. I’m a huge fan of Hernandez, but we do need to temper the expectations for him. At least at the beginning. We’re talking about a guy with barely 100 career ABs at the major league level coming off of a major surgery that cost him an entire year. There will be rust and there will be struggles. Someone here cited a report from Hernandez the other day that he’s slowly making his way back but isn’t there yet. I don’t know if it’s realistic to expect him to be a contributor at the beginning of the season. I guess time and spring training will tell. I don't have huge expectations for him other than being better than Marrero and possibly Holt (as a hitter). I hadn't heard anything about his health.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 15, 2018 16:08:04 GMT -5
If I was sure he'd be ready on opening day I'd 100% be on board. But...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 15, 2018 16:38:54 GMT -5
If Holt is healthy and unable to win a spot on the 25-man roster, I can't imagine they'll pay him $2.23M (that will count toward the CBT, to head off the obvious Rusney Castillo replies) to play for the PawSox. Holt: arbitration non-guarantee split contract He gets about 600k guarantee if he gets optioned at end of ST Then goes onto his milb pay scale We don't know his milb pay or if it is guaranteed The remainder of the 2.3M is guaranteed when he is recalled I wager that Marrero or Brentz or someone will be waived or DL by mid May. Huh. Hadn't seen that before. Where's that from?
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Post by jmei on Feb 15, 2018 16:47:24 GMT -5
I’m a huge fan of Hernandez, but we do need to temper the expectations for him. At least at the beginning. We’re talking about a guy with barely 100 career ABs at the major league level coming off of a major surgery that cost him an entire year. There will be rust and there will be struggles. Someone here cited a report from Hernandez the other day that he’s slowly making his way back but isn’t there yet. I don’t know if it’s realistic to expect him to be a contributor at the beginning of the season. I guess time and spring training will tell. I don't have huge expectations for him other than being better than Marrero and possibly Holt (as a hitter). I hadn't heard anything about his health. I think if you look up "damning with faint praise" in the dictionary, the example they cite is describing someone as "better than Deven Marrero as a hitter."
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 15, 2018 17:33:23 GMT -5
I don't have huge expectations for him other than being better than Marrero and possibly Holt (as a hitter). I hadn't heard anything about his health. I think if you look up "damning with faint praise" in the dictionary, the example they cite is describing someone as "better than Deven Marrero as a hitter." To clarify, I meant that he'd be better than Marrero period and better than Holt as a hitter without the versatility to play the OF or 1B.
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Post by jmei on Feb 15, 2018 19:07:58 GMT -5
In light of his reported signing, I moved some Nunez discussion to that thread.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 16, 2018 14:02:16 GMT -5
Holt: arbitration non-guarantee split contract He gets about 600k guarantee if he gets optioned at end of ST Then goes onto his milb pay scale We don't know his milb pay or if it is guaranteed The remainder of the 2.3M is guaranteed when he is recalled I wager that Marrero or Brentz or someone will be waived or DL by mid May. Huh. Hadn't seen that before. Where's that from? Arbitration players: m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/non-guaranteed-contract Players who are on arbitration (unless specified at the time of the agreement),
m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/split-contract
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 16, 2018 17:00:00 GMT -5
It looks like you're saying that if they cut him before March 16th, they owe him 600k, but according to this site, he has an option year remaining. Does being optioned to the minor leagues fall under being 'cut'?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 16, 2018 18:29:39 GMT -5
If they option him the day before opening day, then 45 days is guaranteed
If they option him, then he didn't make the 25 man roster.
See links
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 17, 2018 11:39:18 GMT -5
If they option him the day before opening day, then 45 days is guaranteed If they option him, then he didn't make the 25 man roster. See links I have, that's why I asked about the term 'cut'. In each instance in the links you provided, and where I have looked elsewhere, it notes the 30 and 45 day pay when a player is 'cut' but never references a team using a minor league option. If 'cut' means released from the organization then your point is moot; but if 'cut' means that they did not make the 25 man roster and are released, optioned, etc. then it holds
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 17, 2018 12:00:56 GMT -5
If they option him the day before opening day, then 45 days is guaranteed If they option him, then he didn't make the 25 man roster. See links I have, that's why I asked about the term 'cut'. In each instance in the links you provided, and where I have looked elsewhere, it notes the 30 and 45 day pay when a player is 'cut' but never references a team using a minor league option. If 'cut' means released from the organization then your point is moot; but if 'cut' means that they did not make the 25 man roster and are released, optioned, etc. then it holds "The arbitration salary becomes guaranteed if the player is on the 25-man roster when the season begins"
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 17, 2018 12:14:22 GMT -5
"The arbitration salary becomes guaranteed if the player is on the 25-man roster when the season begins" The question is whether having a team option a player to the minors prior to the season beginning constitutes being 'cut'. The above does not clarify the discussion. This excerpt below seems to imply the terms 'released' and 'cut' are the same, which leads me to believe that having a minor league option used is not the same as being cut, and therefore no severance pay is required.
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Post by jiant2520 on Oct 21, 2018 13:01:35 GMT -5
In spring training many of us thought Marrero and Brentz would be on this team.... seems like a decade ago that they actually were, lol.
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