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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Feb 18, 2018 10:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Feb 18, 2018 11:42:21 GMT -5
I don't love this countermove. Taylor is on the older side and isn't a real high-ceiling player, but he has two option left, has legitimate long-term major league potential and seems unlikely to clear waivers. They must be unwilling to 60-day Pedroia and be high on Jerez.
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Post by giltg on Feb 18, 2018 12:37:03 GMT -5
Puzzling. The Sox DFA'd Kyle Martin last year and he wasn't claimed. Maybe because he has two options and pitched well in the majors before getting injured there may be value and the Sox can work a deal with a team that claims Taylor.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 18, 2018 12:56:04 GMT -5
Was texting with Ian about this, but I wonder if he's not healthy, or if his stuff didn't come back after his extended time on the DL last year. Recall that he was placed on the DL on July 26 last year after having last pitched on the 22nd, went on a rehab assignment on August 8 and made one appearance before apparently reaggravating the injury, and was placed on another rehab assignment on August 25 during which he made three appearances (and was activated and optioned).
That latter rehab/option was the one that basically kept them from putting him on the 60-day DL to make room for Brentz. I posited that they may have been evaluating him for a September call-up and weren't happy with where he was at, so they shut it down. It makes me wonder if the stuff was diminished.
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Post by gator39 on Feb 18, 2018 13:15:20 GMT -5
Maybe they think Taylor is more likely to clear waivers than Jerez. Maybe Jerez will be gone if J.D. Martinez signs with us anyway.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 18, 2018 13:26:41 GMT -5
Maybe they think Taylor is more likely to clear waivers than Jerez. Maybe Jerez will be gone if J.D. Martinez signs with us anyway. I’d think the countermove for JDM would be Brentz. With Martinez on the team, he’s doesn’t have a place on the 25 man roster and doesn’t have any options left. |
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 18, 2018 14:21:06 GMT -5
Maybe they think Taylor is more likely to clear waivers than Jerez. Maybe Jerez will be gone if J.D. Martinez signs with us anyway. I’d think the countermove for JDM would be Brentz. With Martinez on the team, he’s doesn’t have a place on the 25 man roster and doesn’t have any options left. The Nunez signing also cuts into Brentz playing time. I hope he clears wavers if/when cut. Imagine he will be needed at some point this season. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 18, 2018 14:36:59 GMT -5
Maybe they think Taylor is more likely to clear waivers than Jerez. Maybe Jerez will be gone if J.D. Martinez signs with us anyway. I’d think the countermove for JDM would be Brentz. With Martinez on the team, he’s doesn’t have a place on the 25 man roster and doesn’t have any options left. Agree. This is the obvious DFA for Martinez. Jerez's stuff was apparently much improved in the second half last year. The fact that they bothered adding him to the 40 to keep him from hitting free agency when they already had such middle relief depth (compared to Brentz, where the depth would be added over the offseason and might not happen) says a lot. |
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Post by bosox on Feb 18, 2018 15:20:47 GMT -5
I’d think the countermove for JDM would be Brentz. With Martinez on the team, he’s doesn’t have a place on the 25 man roster and doesn’t have any options left. Agree. This is the obvious DFA for Martinez. Jerez's stuff was apparently much improved in the second half last year. The fact that they bothered adding him to the 40 to keep him from hitting free agency when they already had such middle relief depth (compared to Brentz, where the depth would be added over the offseason and might not happen) says a lot. Would they be better off seeing if Brentz crushes it in Spring Training and perhaps get something for him or DFA him right away (presuming JDM signs with them within the next week or two) and receive less or nothing. |
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Post by natesp4 on Feb 18, 2018 17:20:20 GMT -5
Agree. This is the obvious DFA for Martinez. Jerez's stuff was apparently much improved in the second half last year. The fact that they bothered adding him to the 40 to keep him from hitting free agency when they already had such middle relief depth (compared to Brentz, where the depth would be added over the offseason and might not happen) says a lot. Would they be better off seeing if Brentz crushes it in Spring Training and perhaps get something for him or DFA him right away (presuming JDM signs with them within the next week or two) and receive less or nothing. Timing won't matter much with a player of Brentz's pedigree. He'll net cash considerations or a very minor prospect until he proves himself in a sustained major league sample. |
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 21, 2018 13:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 21, 2018 13:04:19 GMT -5
That's disappointing.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2018 13:18:34 GMT -5
Really? They don't have enough Ben Taylor types?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 21, 2018 13:30:39 GMT -5
My guess is they'd be monitoring the market anyway.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2018 13:33:38 GMT -5
My guess is they'd be monitoring the market anyway. Yeah, but it's kinda silly to think they need to replace Taylor. More like Hembree. (with Koji please) |
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Post by nomar on Feb 21, 2018 13:37:44 GMT -5
Some odd decisions with the DFAs lately.
I would have gone with Jerez. Maybe they see a good lefty specialist in him, but I see potential LOOGY, that’s it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 21, 2018 13:45:14 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2018 13:48:42 GMT -5
He sounds better than Robbie Scott already. |
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Post by gator39 on Feb 23, 2018 14:42:17 GMT -5
Lefties batted .121/.224/.303 vs Robby Scott last season
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 23, 2018 15:32:34 GMT -5
A .182 Iso by LOOGY against lefties isn't really what you want, but it's also a small enough sample that literally one fewer home run would make it fine.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2018 16:26:25 GMT -5
I’m skeptical that Scott’s funky delivery is going to work long term and his stuff just isn’t good enough. Reminds me of Okijima.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 25, 2018 0:53:05 GMT -5
I'm expecting Sox to announce the trade of Taylor on Monday
Wed is day 10 of his DFA
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 25, 2018 13:48:51 GMT -5
Taylor has been claimed by the Indians, per Christopher Smith.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 26, 2018 9:33:03 GMT -5
So, to recap here.
1. They added Ben Taylor to the active roster two years before he was Rule 5 eligible because he was such an important immediate upgrade.
2. Used him for 17 1/3 innings.
3. Didn't call Brentz up in September because they didn't have a spot on the 40-man, despite Taylor being injured.
4. Placed him on waivers due to a roster crunch, losing him for nothing.
Again, these are the sort of at-the-margins mistakes that a good organization doesn't make.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 26, 2018 12:28:09 GMT -5
So, to recap here. 1. They added Ben Taylor to the active roster two years before he was Rule 5 eligible because he was such an important immediate upgrade. 2. Used him for 17 1/3 innings. 3. Didn't call Brentz up in September because they didn't have a spot on the 40-man, despite Taylor being injured. 4. Placed him on waivers due to a roster crunch, losing him for nothing. Again, these are the sort of at-the-margins mistakes that a good organization doesn't make. I agree, and not to bring the discussion off-topic, but the current plethora of out-of-options types (Swihart, Marrero, Hembree, Wright, Johnson) fighting for a position on the 25-man roster lead me to believe more guys will be lost for nothing. You can never have enough pitching....until you actually start losing pitchers for nothing. |
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