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Post by doctorduck21 on May 9, 2018 18:42:54 GMT -5
Man, outside of Beeks, has there been anything good about the system to start the year? This sucks. Hopefully Groome comes back fine but it's never a guarantee Ummm, we are in first place. Talking about the farm system specifically. The major league team is good but the farm is barren
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Post by manfred on May 9, 2018 19:03:27 GMT -5
I feel bad for Groome, but I am hopeful. He is still young, and this can give him a chance to get even fitter and stronger. Yes, he loses a year or more of development, but he seems advanced for his age anyway. I am hopeful.
As for the "barren" farm system, the Groome injury is tough because the Sox don't have great pitching on the farm, but I feel like the attacks on the system overlooks the fact that they have young, homegrown players a C, 3B, SS, LF, CF, and RF. If Devers and Benny were still playing in AAA, would we still bash the system? But then... we wouldn't likely be in first place.
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Post by dirtdog on May 9, 2018 21:20:50 GMT -5
It's weird when I was on the home page yesterday and looking at the top 10, I was thinking before this happened, a couple years ago feast and now famine. I guess after this happened my initial thought was kinda of surprised DD hadnt already traded him. This organization is going through a bad spell in producing top line pitching.
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Post by James Dunne on May 10, 2018 8:00:31 GMT -5
Just a reminder that there's a light at the end of the tunnel: Alex Reyes, who had TJ in Spring Training 2017 while the #1 pitching prospect in baseball, made his return to the mound last night at Low A and was hitting 99.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 10, 2018 9:13:38 GMT -5
Bad past six months for the farm starting in November.
And now the two top prospects have had wasted seasons. We probably won't even see Groome until late next year or more likely 2020.
And Chavis will only have a partial season this year which doesn't help his development.
The farm isn't looking too strong. There's probably others that I can't think of off the top of my head, but only Jalen Beeks and Bobby Poyner have really asserted themselves and raised their stocks as prospects. Kutter Crawford, too, perhaps? Mata is progressing, too. Nobody else really jumps out at me.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 10, 2018 13:12:28 GMT -5
It sucks, but he's young. TJ has come a long way, way more guys come back the same or better than ones that never bounce back. Look at the bright side, DD can't trade him now.
It's been a crazy year, Groome TJ surgery, Chavis suspended, our top international guy dies right after signing and almost no one has taken a huge jump forward. At the same time if DD can keep doing what he did in 2017 we'll be 100% fine. Way too early to even come close to judging that class or the international guys.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 13, 2018 22:29:33 GMT -5
I made a joke recently that Groome will be rule 5 eligible before hitting 100 IP. Seeming more likely now... at best, he'll be under 100 heading into his potential walk year. What a waste (so far)
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Post by telson13 on May 13, 2018 23:40:20 GMT -5
I made a joke recently that Groome will be rule 5 eligible before hitting 100 IP. Seeming more likely now... at best, he'll be under 100 heading into his potential walk year. What a waste (so far) I’m just bummed to see him have worked so hard in the offseason and watch it all crash down.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 13, 2018 23:59:04 GMT -5
I made a joke recently that Groome will be rule 5 eligible before hitting 100 IP. Seeming more likely now... at best, he'll be under 100 heading into his potential walk year. What a waste (so far) I just don't get how it's a waste when he got hurt. His career isn't over. We won't know if he's a wasted pick until 3 years from now.
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Post by Addam603 on May 16, 2018 12:12:00 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 9, 2018 16:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 21, 2019 9:06:51 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 21, 2019 9:07:50 GMT -5
Unfortunate day to bump a thread with Tommy John in the title. I panicked a little. Very excited to see Groome get back to it.
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Post by cdj on Aug 21, 2019 9:19:11 GMT -5
The left-handed 6’6” unicorn is back
He exists! He exists!
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 21, 2019 10:19:27 GMT -5
Yea my heart sank a bit when I saw the TJ in the title of this thread, but very excited he's back!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 21, 2019 10:28:05 GMT -5
Better?
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Post by ramireja on Aug 21, 2019 11:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by cotuitfan on Aug 21, 2019 12:19:32 GMT -5
Ignoring some of these silly posts, the subject of Chris Sale made me think of his old workout partner ... quick search just found this from Jon Heyman five minutes ago ...
Jason Groome is back ... 1IP, 1H, 0BB, 2K 93-95 for GCL Red Sox. picking up where he left off. Back from Tommy John surgery after 15 months, 6 days.
Encouraging
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 21, 2019 12:48:09 GMT -5
Ignoring some of these silly posts, the subject of Chris Sale made me think of his old workout partner ... quick search just found this from Jon Heyman five minutes ago ... Jason Groome is back ... 1IP, 1H, 0BB, 2K 93-95 for GCL Red Sox. picking up where he left off. Back from Tommy John surgery after 15 months, 6 days. Encouraging Thankfully, he's still super young and hopefully this is what held him back from "popping" early in his pro career. He has the time and the potential to still turn into an elite starting pitcher.
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 21, 2019 13:50:46 GMT -5
Him becoming a guy again next year changes the outlook of things
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 21, 2019 14:44:16 GMT -5
A great day for the organization.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 21, 2019 19:13:02 GMT -5
Bring him up, he can pitch Saturday.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Aug 21, 2019 21:01:41 GMT -5
We'll take any piece of encouraging news right about now. His throwing is a big hurdle crossed. Let's hope his rehab goes smoothly. Boston's done a poor job of developing top-end starters.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 22, 2019 7:06:02 GMT -5
Boston's done a poor job of developing top-end starters. As I've tweeted, I think this narrative is so overblown. - What is a "top-end starter?" How many of those are there in baseball? - Given their success developing position players, therefore freeing up resources to acquire starters by other means, why does it matter? - If we expand what we're looking for to just MLB starters, the issue is more that they've traded those players (see Logan Allen and Shaun Anderson, for example, who would certainly be in the Boston rotation right now) than that they have failed to have them at all. Just some things to consider related to that narrative.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 22, 2019 7:39:54 GMT -5
Of the 17 pitchers in baseball who have a 4.0+ bWAR, there are six who were originally signed by the team they currently pitch for: Ryu, deGrom, Gray, Soroka, Strasburg, and Bieber.
Two of them were drafted before the Red Sox would've had an opportunity to (Gray and Strasburg). One was passed on in favor of a player who has been better for their careers (Benintendi in lieu of Soroka).
Using your excess minor league talent to acquire MLB pitching is just as legitimate as developing it yourself. Using the extra cash you have on hand to buy pitching because you've developed an entire lineup on your own is legitimate. The Red Sox didn't develop pitching for the 2018 team either. The difference between that team and this is that last year the pitching they went outside of the organization to get was very good, and this year the pitching they went out of the organization to get was very poor.
And for whatever it's worth, the Red Sox acquired Eduardo Rodriguez when he was going sideways in Double-A and have turned in him into basically a #2 starter. And if that doesn't count as developing talent then I don't think the term is very meaningful.
EDIT: I do agree there was a level of... I don't want to say it's quite arrogance, but maybe over-confidence... by the organization in its ability to get the most out of pitchers after 2018. That has nothing to do with issues at the development level, though.
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