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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 19, 2018 21:25:01 GMT -5
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I think the Rays have to find at least two more spots today/tomorrow for must adds. If they want to add Joe McCarthy as well, they need to find a third additional spot.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 19, 2018 21:25:20 GMT -5
When teams set their rosters is one of the good times to put guys on waivers. Subtracting those 2, adding the sure 4, and signing three more free agents (e.g., Eovalidi, Kelly, LHR) puts them at 40. The only way they would need to do something else is if they trade Swihart and (and quite possibly Workman) and get back extra guys that are already on 40-man rosters. But Robby Scott seems the next most fungible guy, and that wouldn't be much of a loss.
You seem to be fixated on them trading Swihart when the man that DD listens to, Tek, seems to want to keep him. I'll bet another box of donuts for charity that Leon gets moved rather than Swihart. If neither gets moved, we both buy a box, deal ? Dombrowski might listen to Tek, but if Swihart is going to be a backup to Vazquez and if Vazquez has become the regular catcher based on the fact that he was catching the most important games of the year, then what good does it do Swihart to catch once or twice per week? Leon is definitely more of the backup catcher type although I am scared he could hit worse than your average hitting pitcher the way he's going. He's already in Marc Sullivan offensive territory which is below the Mendoza line. The only step down from Sullivan, and it's a small step down is the average offensive pitcher line. Swihart can probably fetch more in a deal. If the Sox were open minded about there being a competition between Vazquez and Swihart for the regular catching job or they were going to split their time like 90-70 I'd be all for it. I still think Swihart will be the one who's gone, I guess we'll see. I'd be surprised if come the New Year the Sox still have 3 catchers.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 19, 2018 21:48:55 GMT -5
You seem to be fixated on them trading Swihart when the man that DD listens to, Tek, seems to want to keep him. I'll bet another box of donuts for charity that Leon gets moved rather than Swihart. If neither gets moved, we both buy a box, deal ? Dombrowski might listen to Tek, but if Swihart is going to be a backup to Vazquez and if Vazquez has become the regular catcher based on the fact that he was catching the most important games of the year, then what good does it do Swihart to catch once or twice per week? Leon is definitely more of the backup catcher type although I am scared he could hit worse than your average hitting pitcher the way he's going. He's already in Marc Sullivan offensive territory which is below the Mendoza line. The only step down from Sullivan, and it's a small step down is the average offensive pitcher line. Swihart can probably fetch more in a deal. If the Sox were open minded about there being a competition between Vazquez and Swihart for the regular catching job or they were going to split their time like 90-70 I'd be all for it. I still think Swihart will be the one who's gone, I guess we'll see. I'd be surprised if come the New Year the Sox still have 3 catchers. A few days ago DD said Swihart will come to camp as a catcher. Yesterday, Cora said he misused him this past year. Time will tell but we'll see. I also don't expect them to do anything until spring training but we'll see there as well. For me I'm expecting Vazquez as starting catcher, Swihart backup (2-3 games a week) with Leon elsewhere. They will need to lose one of them to get Lin onto the roster if Pedroia isn't ready. If Pedroia is ready, they won't have room to carry 3 catchers either. ADD: “Offensively, it wasn’t fair for him this year,” Cora recently told The Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo. “He feels that he lost it right-handed. We’ll see where we’re at, but yeah, he’s capable (of being a No. 1 catcher). nesn.com/2018/11/alex-cora-admits-he-wasnt-fair-to-blake-swihart-during-2018-season/ADD2: Jason Mastrodonato Verified account @jmastrodonato Also in this story, Red Sox have once again not asked Blake Swihart to focus on a different position this offseason. Instead, they plan on bringing him to camp as a catcher, again, despite DD’s comments that it’s unlikely they carry three catchers
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 20, 2018 13:44:55 GMT -5
Today is the day? I suspect we will be hearing something on who we will end up losing? Anyone know what time this all goes down and is completed by?
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 20, 2018 13:57:57 GMT -5
Today is the deadline for 40-man roster additions. The Rule 5 draft itself isn't until the Winter Meetings.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Nov 20, 2018 14:51:34 GMT -5
Today is the day? I suspect we will be hearing something on who we will end up losing? Anyone know what time this all goes down and is completed by? Deadline is 8pm for adding to MLB roster
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 20, 2018 16:49:32 GMT -5
Interesting that Denyi Reyes got the nod over Ockimey.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 20, 2018 16:59:13 GMT -5
Hmmm, guess they added Reyes to stop the Orioles from drafting him, but now they'll probably draft Ockimey to replace Chris Davis. Will he be better than him? Probably.
Theoretically, they still have time to put Ockimey on the 40. Maybe they're considering trades...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 20, 2018 18:07:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't be afraid to lose Ockimey. Seems like there is a million of his types anywhere.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 20, 2018 18:10:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't be afraid to lose Ockimey. Seems like there is a million of his types anywhere. There are probably 100 million RH relief pitchers like Walden though. I'll be shocked if they just let Ockimey get drafted.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 20, 2018 18:37:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't be afraid to lose Ockimey. Seems like there is a million of his types anywhere. There are probably 100 million RH relief pitchers like Walden though. I'll be shocked if they just let Ockimey get drafted. I don't disagree about Walden. Don't know why he's still here.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2018 22:18:28 GMT -5
I always thought they'd protect either Reyes or Taylor, but protecting both and not Ockimey is a surprise. The rationale, per Ian Cubdall's tweet, is that there's no room on an MLB bench these days for a platoon 1B.
I can see him getting taken and returned, though. Someone might think it's worth the tiny outlay of cash to see if maybe they can tweak him and use him as a platoon starter.
In the meantime, they can make room for three free agents by DFA'ing Walden and either trading Workman or DFA'ing Robby Scott.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 20, 2018 22:48:45 GMT -5
Anybody think Sheppard could give us some innings in Boston in 19?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 20, 2018 23:06:17 GMT -5
Theoretically, they still have time to put Ockimey on the 40. No, they do not. That was today's deadline.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 21, 2018 1:21:46 GMT -5
Interesting that Denyi Reyes got the nod over Ockimey. Re:Reyes, I’ve got to wonder if internally they’re dreaming on him as a Shane Bieber type. His command really is something. He seems like a guy who, with a tweak here or there, a new wrinkle like a Beeks-style cutter or mod of a secondary to get it into 60-65 range, or adding a tick or two to sitting velocity...anything like that and suddenly he’s a 3/4 and not an org/AAAA guy or 6th-inning reliever. He’s still really young, and his control/command just make him kinda exciting to watch. Watching Porcello, or Corbin (OK, he’s got that wicked slider I know), or Bieber (who actually has a sold FB at 93)...it’s obviously possible to have significant success without great velo, or even with fringy velo.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 21, 2018 9:38:46 GMT -5
It turns out that Cuevas was released to sign to play in Korea.
Sorry, no source, I don't remember where I read that.
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Post by patford on Nov 21, 2018 10:00:40 GMT -5
Interesting that Denyi Reyes got the nod over Ockimey. Re:Reyes, I’ve got to wonder if internally they’re dreaming on him as a Shane Bieber type. His command really is something. He seems like a guy who, with a tweak here or there, a new wrinkle like a Beeks-style cutter or mod of a secondary to get it into 60-65 range, or adding a tick or two to sitting velocity...anything like that and suddenly he’s a 3/4 and not an org/AAAA guy or 6th-inning reliever. He’s still really young, and his control/command just make him kinda exciting to watch. Watching Porcello, or Corbin (OK, he’s got that wicked slider I know), or Bieber (who actually has a sold FB at 93)...it’s obviously possible to have significant success without great velo, or even with fringy velo. I really like the Reyes move. Although a number of people seem to have made up their mind that he's not MLB material it indicates Dombrowski sees something he likes and I place Dombrowski's evaluations above most people's.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 21, 2018 10:50:42 GMT -5
Maddox being outrighted to AAA removes him from the 40 man roster?
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 21, 2018 10:59:01 GMT -5
I was an Okimey supporter. I am surprised especially after the time they took with the kid. They must feel pretty dame good about the hitters in the system. I think one of these franchises that has been funneling our prospects over the years will grab him. I.e. San Diego, Oakland we’ll see.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 21, 2018 11:19:02 GMT -5
I was an Okimey supporter. I am surprised especially after the time they took with the kid. They must feel pretty dame good about the hitters in the system. I think one of these franchises that has been funneling our prospects over the years will grab him. I.e. San Diego, Oakland we’ll see. I'd bet money that he'd be better than Chris Davis. Damning with faint praise.
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Post by juanpena on Nov 21, 2018 11:38:20 GMT -5
Anybody think Sheppard could give us some innings in Boston in 19? It's hard for me to see it, unless they had a rainout with a doubleheader the next day, and he came up as the 26th man for one of those games. The writeup on the site says he has no above-average pitches, and his minor-league numbers are pedestrian at best. I'm surprised he's on the roster and Ockimey isn't. (Nothing personal against Shepherd, and I'd love for him to prove me wrong).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 22, 2018 11:57:34 GMT -5
I really like the Reyes move. Although a number of people seem to have made up their mind that he's not MLB material it indicates Dombrowski sees something he likes and I place Dombrowski's evaluations above most people's. For whatever it's worth, you can like Reyes and not like that they chose to put him on the 40-man. The questions of whether or not he's MLB material and whether or not they should've added him to the 40-man this offseason are two different questions. My primary concerns are with the latter much more than the former. Maddox being outrighted to AAA removes him from the 40 man roster? Yes. That's the point of outrighting a player. Anybody think Sheppard could give us some innings in Boston in 19? It's hard for me to see it, unless they had a rainout with a doubleheader the next day, and he came up as the 26th man for one of those games. The writeup on the site says he has no above-average pitches, and his minor-league numbers are pedestrian at best. I'm surprised he's on the roster and Ockimey isn't. (Nothing personal against Shepherd, and I'd love for him to prove me wrong). They may just think Shepherd is more likely to be selected in Rule 5 and stick than Ockimey, an argument that I think would have merit.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 22, 2018 15:54:33 GMT -5
Is Maddox available to be drafted in the rule 5 draft? And if so, can the drafting team put him on the DL for the year and next year have him start in the minors? How serious is his injury? Seems like he would be a player to draft.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2018 20:46:46 GMT -5
Gotta say I'm surprised no Ockimey. Sure he has issues, but age 22 season had OPS over .800, 20 HRs in AA/AAA. He's getting picked, the only question is what is the chances he sticks on a roster for the year? All depends on the team,but a lot higher than you'd like, which is no chance at all. His on base skills and power give him a chance. I really wanted to see him a full year at AAA before making a decision.
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Post by doctorduck21 on Nov 22, 2018 20:55:27 GMT -5
Is Maddox available to be drafted in the rule 5 draft? And if so, can the drafting team put him on the DL for the year and next year have him start in the minors? How serious is his injury? Seems like he would be a player to draft. A rule 5 pick must be on the active roster for 90 days or they'll have the same restrictions the next season
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