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Post by dmaineah on Dec 8, 2018 4:04:35 GMT -5
Is Maddox available to be drafted in the rule 5 draft? And if so, can the drafting team put him on the DL for the year and next year have him start in the minors? How serious is his injury? Seems like he would be a player to draft. A rule 5 pick must be on the active roster for 90 days or they'll have the same restrictions the next season I thought it was the entire year
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 8, 2018 7:58:19 GMT -5
Active roster meaning not on the disabled list, either.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 9, 2018 18:31:14 GMT -5
A rule 5 pick must be on the active roster for 90 days or they'll have the same restrictions the next season I thought it was the entire year They can't option a Rule 5 pick until next year. They also can't option him until he's spent 90 days on the active roster, so they can't just stash a guy (like Maddox) on the DL for the year and have that count.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Dec 9, 2018 19:11:49 GMT -5
I thought it was the entire year They can't option a Rule 5 pick until next year. They also can't option him until he's spent 90 days on the active roster, so they can't just stash a guy (like Maddox) on the DL for the year and have that count. It doesn't count but teams have done that.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 9, 2018 19:46:58 GMT -5
They can't option a Rule 5 pick until next year. They also can't option him until he's spent 90 days on the active roster, so they can't just stash a guy (like Maddox) on the DL for the year and have that count. It doesn't count but teams have done that. Have done what? Stash a player on the DL all year?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 9, 2018 21:28:27 GMT -5
It doesn't count but teams have done that. Have done what? Stash a player on the DL all year? Didn't the Orioles do that with Almanzar then end up giving the Sox something to keep him without having to do that a second year ? I might be wrong but I think that's how it went down.
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Dec 9, 2018 22:03:53 GMT -5
It doesn't count but teams have done that. Have done what? Stash a player on the DL all year? Yes the sox have done that i the example i think of was a pitcher Gonzales I believe what's his name
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 9, 2018 22:39:30 GMT -5
Have done what? Stash a player on the DL all year? Yes the sox have done that i the example i think of was a pitcher Gonzales I believe what's his name The Red Sox had to keep Adam Stern in the majors for the first month or so in 2006 because he didn't hit the 90-day minimum in 2005. Which, hey, I've been reminded of one of my longstanding roster management pet peeves: Adam Stern got into 36 games in in 2005, and netted only 16 plate appearances. The Red Sox lost the division the Yankees that year in a tie breaker. So using that 25th roster spot on stalling Adam Stern's development rather than an actual major league baseball player very likely cost them the division. They kept Roberto Petagine in Triple-A all year hitting .327/.452/.635.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 10, 2018 0:17:14 GMT -5
Have done what? Stash a player on the DL all year? Didn't the Orioles do that with Almanzar then end up giving the Sox something to keep him without having to do that a second year ? I might be wrong but I think that's how it went down. In 2014, Almanzar was returned to the Red Sox on July 1. He was then traded to Baltimore on 8/30 with Kelly Johnson for Jemile Weeks and Ivan De Jesus. Have done what? Stash a player on the DL all year? Yes the sox have done that i the example i think of was a pitcher Gonzales I believe what's his name Miguel Gonzalez they picked in the 2008 draft and he missed all of 2008 after Tommy John. He was outrighted to Pawtucket at the end of the season which makes me think that the Angels declined to take him back, but I can't find anything on the transaction. That was long enough ago that it may not have received any attention.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 10, 2018 0:35:09 GMT -5
So, let me see if I have this right. A team could draft Maddox in this years rule 5 draft, add him to the 40 man roster & (because he has about 45 days of service time) keep him on their active roster for 45 days, then put him on the DL (where he would continue to accumulate service time) for the year & then in 2020 start him in AAA because he still has options?
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Post by doctorduck21 on Dec 10, 2018 1:59:16 GMT -5
So, let me see if I have this right. A team could draft Maddox in this years rule 5 draft, add him to the 40 man roster & (because he has about 45 days of service time) keep him on their active roster for 45 days, then put him on the DL (where he would continue to accumulate service time) for the year & then in 2020 start him in AAA because he still has options? It's 90 days on the active roster during the 2019 season. His previous service time doesn't count towards the rule 5 stuff
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 10, 2018 4:04:25 GMT -5
So a team could draft Maddox in this years rule 5 draft & keep him on their active roster for 90 days (essentially playing with 24) then put him on the DL for the remainder of year & then in 2020 start him in AAA because he still has options?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 10, 2018 4:27:09 GMT -5
So a team could draft Maddox in this years rule 5 draft & keep him on their active roster for 90 days (essentially playing with 24) then put him on the DL for the remainder of year & then in 2020 start him in AAA because he still has options? yes
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 10, 2018 11:47:25 GMT -5
So a team could draft Maddox in this years rule 5 draft & keep him on their active roster for 90 days (essentially playing with 24) then put him on the DL for the remainder of year & then in 2020 start him in AAA because he still has options? yes And they will not. No team is going to play shorthanded for 3 months - half the season - in order to stash Austin Maddox. It'd be different if he could at least contribute by eating blowout innings. Jason Garcia in 2015 comes to mind - he threw 29.2 average-ish innings of minimal leverage (0.23 pLI, which is nothing) on a team not going anywhere. If a team picks him, they will hope to put him on the DL this year, then have him up for 90 days next year, likely after a lengthy rehab assignment, after Maddox will basically have not played for two years. That's why I don't think it'll happen.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 10, 2018 12:28:07 GMT -5
And they will not. No team is going to play shorthanded for 3 months - half the season - in order to stash Austin Maddox. It'd be different if he could at least contribute by eating blowout innings. Jason Garcia in 2015 comes to mind - he threw 29.2 average-ish innings of minimal leverage (0.23 pLI, which is nothing) on a team not going anywhere. If a team picks him, they will hope to put him on the DL this year, then have him up for 90 days next year, likely after a lengthy rehab assignment, after Maddox will basically have not played for two years. That's why I don't think it'll happen. A team would have little to lose by doing that. Either he's good enough the second year, when ready, or he isn't.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Dec 10, 2018 13:04:43 GMT -5
They would have to pay him the major league minimum salary for that entire time (as opposed to a minor league salary), which would count towards the caps/thresholds. And he would take up a 40-man spot during two off-seasons. Agree with Chris - seems really unlikely unless some team is super enamored with him and has confidence in his medicals.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 10, 2018 21:11:40 GMT -5
They would have to pay him the major league minimum salary for that entire time (as opposed to a minor league salary), which would count towards the caps/thresholds. And he would take up a 40-man spot during two off-seasons. Agree with Chris - seems really unlikely unless some team is super enamored with him and has confidence in his medicals. Good point.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 12, 2018 15:11:41 GMT -5
It'd be one thing if Maddox had pitched this season, but like I said, missing basically two entire seasons is something different.
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In other news, per BA's preview article, Taylor Grover and his newfound triple-digit fastball will be available in the minor league portion. Assuming there aren't hard feelings (not a given since they cut him once before), I wouldn't mind taking a flier.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 13, 2018 10:14:26 GMT -5
At MLB.com, Jonathan Mayo doesn't have Ockimey in his top 15.
7 teams have no roster space, so the Sox are really picking 23rd. You could absolutely see them drafting a reliever.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 13, 2018 12:11:30 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 13, 2018 12:13:40 GMT -5
The MLB portion of the Rule 5 draft is done and Josh Ockimey was not selected.
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Post by ericmvan on Dec 13, 2018 12:15:11 GMT -5
A lot of AAA pitchers not ranked as prospects. Now you know why they kept Walden on the roster.
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Post by Costigan on Dec 13, 2018 12:21:00 GMT -5
Detroit just took Tyler Hill from our AA roster.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 13, 2018 12:21:03 GMT -5
I can't believe the Reds wouldn't have put Taylor Grover on the Triple-A reserve list after signing him. My lord.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 13, 2018 12:22:06 GMT -5
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