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Post by m1keyboots on May 28, 2018 1:19:48 GMT -5
Sale needs to cowboy up for the 2nd half. I mean he's been good overall, but not Chris Sale good. For a guy getting paid only* 13 mil, him going 7 and giving up a run or two while holding the other team to a baserunner an inning with the strikeouts? I'm not sure anyone thinks the Chris sale of 4/6 months last year is the forever version. He seems to be perfectly awesome the way he is, just one person's opinion
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2018 2:28:49 GMT -5
Sale needs to cowboy up for the 2nd half. I mean he's been good overall, but not Chris Sale good. For a guy getting paid only* 13 mil, him going 7 and giving up a run or two while holding the other team to a baserunner an inning with the strikeouts? I'm not sure anyone thinks the Chris sale of 4/6 months last year is the forever version. He seems to be perfectly awesome the way he is, just one person's opinion Yeap. Believe in Sale. I know I will be in the postseason. I won't be making predictions or nothing this year in the Sox playoffs, just hoping and wishing on the heels of *Chris Sales shoulders.*
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 28, 2018 4:26:47 GMT -5
Sale needs to cowboy or bullgirl up for the 2nd half. I mean he's been good overall, but not Chris Sale good. FTFY, we wouldn't want to offend anyone.
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Post by patford on May 28, 2018 13:18:07 GMT -5
Sale is a really good pitcher but not nearly as good as I had hoped for. His lack of control and well established record of rather severe 2nd half fades concerns me. I don't see how he can be expected to have a strong 2nd half when it looks very much like fatigue is the explanation for him being less and less effective as the season wears on.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2018 17:00:27 GMT -5
Sale is a really good pitcher but not nearly as good as I had hoped for. His lack of control and well established record of rather severe 2nd half fades concerns me. I don't see how he can be expected to have a strong 2nd half when it looks very much like fatigue is the explanation for him being less and less effective as the season wears on. The Sox are trying to manage that the best they can this year.
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Post by patford on May 28, 2018 17:56:02 GMT -5
Sale is a really good pitcher but not nearly as good as I had hoped for. His lack of control and well established record of rather severe 2nd half fades concerns me. I don't see how he can be expected to have a strong 2nd half when it looks very much like fatigue is the explanation for him being less and less effective as the season wears on. The Sox are trying to manage that the best they can this year. That was the intent but when he is at 80 pitches after four innings it makes it difficult.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 28, 2018 20:17:39 GMT -5
The Sox are trying to manage that the best they can this year. That was the intent but when he is at 80 pitches after four innings it makes it difficult. I think Cora is doing a really good job so far. We will see what happens in October and September if the division stays this close though. That is when things get really dicey with innings and pitch restrictions....
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Post by ericmvan on May 28, 2018 21:40:52 GMT -5
Its been two months, at least DL Pomeranz because his 85 mph fastball against Houston would be throwing a game down the toilet. that's one way of looking at it and very reasonable. I look at it like great teams lose 70 games a year and a start against a great lineup like Houston is the kind of challenge that could help him. This is RARA (Runs Above Replacement Average, i.e., b-Ref RAR per 9 innings) for the guys who can start:
3.99 Hector Velazquez 3.12 Chris Sale 2.45 Steven Wright (before today, will go up) 2.35 Eduardo Rodriguez 2.14 Rick Porcello 1.41 David Price
1.00 Brian Johnson ?.?? Jalen Beeks -0.84 Drew Pomeranz
It's not like Pomeranz has this big upside over Wright. They were both All-Stars the same year. It makes no sense to stick with the guy who's been below replacement level and who is visibly subpar over the guy who's been terrific.
Especially when Pomeranz, if he starts pitching better as hoped, would be a potent LHR. Double especially since he's had extensive experience in that role. Triple especially because pitching more often might give him a better shot at settling into the proper mechanics.
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Post by bluechip on May 28, 2018 22:00:49 GMT -5
that's one way of looking at it and very reasonable. I look at it like great teams lose 70 games a year and a start against a great lineup like Houston is the kind of challenge that could help him. This is RARA (Runs Above Replacement Average, i.e., b-Ref RAR per 9 innings) for the guys who can start: 3.99 Hector Velazquez 3.12 Chris Sale 2.45 Steven Wright (before today, will go up) 2.35 Eduardo Rodriguez 2.14 Rick Porcello 1.41 David Price
1.00 Brian Johnson ?.?? Jalen Beeks -0.84 Drew Pomeranz It's not like Pomeranz has this big upside over Wright. They were both All-Stars the same year. It makes no sense to stick with the guy who's been below replacement level and who is visibly subpar over the guy who's been terrific.
Especially when Pomeranz, if he starts pitching better as hoped, would be a potent LHR. Double especially since he's had extensive experience in that role. Triple especially because pitching more often might give him a better shot at settling into the proper mechanics.
To play the devil’s advocate, while Pomeranz and Wright were both all stars in the same year, Pomeranz was a pretty darn good pitcher last year. While Pomeranz was the Red Sox number two starter last year, Wright was still recuperating from an injury. That said, Pomeranz has the telltale signs of injury. He should be skipped in the rotation and possibly dl’d. I am in favor of giving Wright or Beeks a start in his place.
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Post by ericmvan on May 28, 2018 22:07:12 GMT -5
A day late, but since I strongly declared Johnson would never be any good as a reliever, he's hard 5 outings with an 8 6 0 0 1 4 line, for a 63 xWP- and 52 WP-. He's had a 99 xFIP- and weak contact. He's held LHB to a 648 OPS this year and 552 in his career, so he can double as a long man and lefty specialist.
When you adjust for the strong hitters he's faced and the Sox' defense, he's been an above-average MLB pitcher despite his earlier first-inning struggles. With Pomeranz shaky and Beeks coming back to earth, it's easy to see him being the #7 starter option some time soon rather than the #9.
So, yeah, I've changed my mind again about whether he should go or stay. If he's ultimately going to be traded, I think his value will only go up.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jun 4, 2018 12:33:37 GMT -5
For a guy getting paid only* 13 mil, him going 7 and giving up a run or two while holding the other team to a baserunner an inning with the strikeouts? I'm not sure anyone thinks the Chris sale of 4/6 months last year is the forever version. He seems to be perfectly awesome the way he is, just one person's opinion Yeap. Believe in Sale. I know I will be in the postseason. I won't be making predictions or nothing this year in the Sox playoffs, just hoping and wishing on the heels of *Chris Sales shoulders.* Agreed. Hopefully Sale can avoid some of those august games chuck in 99 in the 7th inning.
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