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Post by gerry on Sept 13, 2018 2:07:22 GMT -5
The best thing we can do with David Price is say thank you for working through a bunch of stuff, much of it inane and not of your making, and coming out the other side as a real winner on the winningest Sox team in decades. Thank you David.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 17, 2018 2:47:04 GMT -5
With what Price is doing in the second half of this season, there is a legitimate discussion of whether Price could actually opt out again. Chris Costillo of MassLive.com asked Price about it the other day. Price said he isn't thinking about it when he's currently playing on the best team in the planet.
Price opting out would be best for optimizing your chances of signing resigning Xander, Sale, and Betts, but of course you'd be missing out on the one of the best pitcher's in baseball in the second half of he does opt out.
Price opting out also probably keeps Porcello around until the end of his contract. He has 7 days after the world series ends or something like that, so one of the biggest questions of the offseason will be answered quickly after the playoffs are over.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2018 6:21:47 GMT -5
With what Price is doing in the second half of this season, there is a legitimate discussion of whether Price could actually opt out again. Chris Costillo of MassLive.com asked Price about it the other day. Price said he isn't thinking about it when he's currently playing on the best team in the planet. Price opting out would be best for optimizing your chances of signing resigning Xander, Sale, and Betts, but of course you'd be missing out on the one of the best pitcher's in baseball in the second half of he does opt out. Price opting out also probably keeps Porcello around until the end of his contract. He has 7 days after the world series ends or something like that, so one of the biggest questions of the offseason will be answered quickly after the playoffs are over. Price has already said (just this past week I think) that he's not opting out. He's getting paid a ton of money and he already asked the reporters, "What team am I going to go to that's going to be better than this (I'm paraphrasing but it's close to a direct quote)?" Price expects that the Sox are capable of being just as good or even better in 2019. The likelihood Price opts out is next to nothing at this point. The Sox will probably have to choose who among Sale, Bogaerts, and Porcello they allocate the money to. A huge part of that is the player will have options, so the Sox could offer all the money that want to for X player but if that player gets a better offer or wants to go elsewhere than the Sox can't necessarily control who they're giving the money to. The bottom line is I wouldn't anticipate $31 million shaking lose from the budget and frankly I'd rather have this David Price than have Rick Porcello if I was given a choice.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 17, 2018 7:38:50 GMT -5
With what Price is doing in the second half of this season, there is a legitimate discussion of whether Price could actually opt out again. Chris Costillo of MassLive.com asked Price about it the other day. Price said he isn't thinking about it when he's currently playing on the best team in the planet. Price opting out would be best for optimizing your chances of signing resigning Xander, Sale, and Betts, but of course you'd be missing out on the one of the best pitcher's in baseball in the second half of he does opt out. Price opting out also probably keeps Porcello around until the end of his contract. He has 7 days after the world series ends or something like that, so one of the biggest questions of the offseason will be answered quickly after the playoffs are over. Price has already said (just this past week I think) that he's not opting out. He's getting paid a ton of money and he already asked the reporters, "What team am I going to go to that's going to be better than this (I'm paraphrasing but it's close to a direct quote)?" Price expects that the Sox are capable of being just as good or even better in 2019. The likelihood Price opts out is next to nothing at this point. The Sox will probably have to choose who among Sale, Bogaerts, and Porcello they allocate the money to. A huge part of that is the player will have options, so the Sox could offer all the money that want to for X player but if that player gets a better offer or wants to go elsewhere than the Sox can't necessarily control who they're giving the money to. The bottom line is I wouldn't anticipate $31 million shaking lose from the budget and frankly I'd rather have this David Price than have Rick Porcello if I was given a choice. While I agree that it is highly unlikely Price opts out of the contract, I don't really put any stock into him answering the question the way he did. Sox are in the middle of an awesome season and there's no reason for Price to answer that question by saying he is thinking of opting out. Just nothing to be gained by talking about the opt out in my mind.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2018 8:11:49 GMT -5
Price has already said (just this past week I think) that he's not opting out. He's getting paid a ton of money and he already asked the reporters, "What team am I going to go to that's going to be better than this (I'm paraphrasing but it's close to a direct quote)?" Price expects that the Sox are capable of being just as good or even better in 2019. The likelihood Price opts out is next to nothing at this point. The Sox will probably have to choose who among Sale, Bogaerts, and Porcello they allocate the money to. A huge part of that is the player will have options, so the Sox could offer all the money that want to for X player but if that player gets a better offer or wants to go elsewhere than the Sox can't necessarily control who they're giving the money to. The bottom line is I wouldn't anticipate $31 million shaking lose from the budget and frankly I'd rather have this David Price than have Rick Porcello if I was given a choice. While I agree that it is highly unlikely Price opts out of the contract, I don't really put any stock into him answering the question the way he did. Sox are in the middle of an awesome season and there's no reason for Price to answer that question by saying he is thinking of opting out. Just nothing to be gained by talking about the opt out in my mind. True, but he could have given an ambiguous answer the way Mookie has, something along the lines of, "I'm only focused on the here and now and this team. We'll see what happens after the season is over. At that point it will be in God's hands" or whatever ambiguous type quote that basically says I don't know and/or want to talk about it now. He didn't hedge. He made it pretty clear he intends to come back. Could my take on what he said be made to look foolish in a couple of months? Sure. I think it would be a very bad look if a guy says he's going to stick around (it's totally his option here - not like Johnny Damon situation where the Red Sox are involved and it's a two party type of thing) and then he decides to bolt for greener pastures.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 18, 2018 8:20:38 GMT -5
Price had two distinct stretches of great pitching, the first from 2010-12 with the Rays and the second in 2014-15 when he was traded each year. He became less of a GB pitcher, improved his K/W but gave up harder contact, with the net result being pretty much a wash; 4.9 bWAR per 32 starts to 5.1. What he's doing now is almost unprecedented in a very specific way: he is dramatically reducing hard contact. When xFIP- FIP- ERA- BABIP GB% HR/FB 2010-12 83 81 75 .278 .469 .087 2014-15 76 71 74 .299 .409 .088 last 9 GS 77 54 35 .253 .404 .040
7/4-8/21/12 65 60 32 .230 .484 .083 I was able to find one comparable stretch of 9 starts, late in 2012. But that was found among 96 starts over three seasons. The 9 starts this year are the last 9 of the 11 starts he made since beginning a set of serious adjustments. The first two of those starts had a much better K/W (and hence xFIP) and much harder contact, and that's a well-established trade-off, so I think it's fair to say that these are all of the starts he's made with his current approach.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 18, 2018 16:24:26 GMT -5
Remember, it's not whether Price knows he can't get more than the 124 million for 4 years, it is whether he thinks he can beat that figure and he bets on himself and the market. He can't negotiate with other teams until he opts out.
The Cardinals, Brewers, Astros, Yankees, and plenty of other rich teams will be after starting pitching on the market hard.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 24, 2018 23:08:33 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 25, 2018 5:39:07 GMT -5
The most vilified, Price, JBJ and the pen, have been the most valuable. On top of everything that is especially gratifying to see.
Two more wins and the greatest Sox season of all time is in the books, what a ride.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Oct 25, 2018 10:45:33 GMT -5
Trade him for Madison Bumgarner 1yr/12 for Price's 4yr/127. We could eat a little. Why would Giants do? They only have to pay Price for 4 years. He'll be very good in NL West. They'll have to pay Madbum 7yr 200m and won't get value at end of contract. We can just let Madbum walk after a year. Hopefully, pitches us to The World Series. Money saved let's you keep Bogey, Mookie and Re-do JD's deal. Gotta let Kimbrel go after this year. Gotta let Porcello go after next year.
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Post by jdb on Oct 25, 2018 10:57:47 GMT -5
I don’t think he’s going anywhere bc I don’t see him getting 30+ million anywhere. I was thinking last night watching him would we be able to add an extra year at say $8 million and have the AAV for tax purposes go down 4-5 million?
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 25, 2018 11:14:07 GMT -5
I don’t think he’s going anywhere bc I don’t see him getting 30+ million anywhere. I was thinking last night watching him would we be able to add an extra year at say $8 million and have the AAV for tax purposes go down 4-5 million? You mean an opt-out and immediate re-sign? He'll be 37 in that extra year, but let's say he'll still be worth $8M.
It would reduce the AAV by exactly $4M for the next four years, but then increase it by $27M in 2023. It's actually a net loss in AAV (that's because he counted $31M the last three years while making "just" $30M) and I think that adding even $16M to one year is worse than subtracting $4M from each of 4 years. $4M more might mean getting a somewhat better player to fill a position, especially as a deadline rental, but $16M less (let alone $27M) to spend in a year might cost you an entire contract extension.
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Post by terriblehondo on Oct 25, 2018 11:37:27 GMT -5
Give him the ball every 5th day. Oh yeah sometimes give it to him on short rest also.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 29, 2018 10:58:46 GMT -5
Give him the ball every 5th day. Oh yeah sometimes give it to him on short rest also. Or really just whenever. I’m not totally convinced that it wasn’t David Price in an extremely convincing Chris Sale consume pitching the 9th last night.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 29, 2018 16:35:29 GMT -5
What to do with Price?
He holds the decision and I think he now has a week to make his decision for the opt out.
Losing him means you free up a bunch of money, losing some durability (usually), losing some moral in the clubhouse.
This is such a complex thing we all debate with wanting him versus keeping him. There's plenty of reasons for wanting him to leave and wanting him to stay.
I think he stays, and that might not be a bad thing, but it forces future roster payroll constrictions.
I'll always remember how he threw every friggen single day in the postseason. I've never seen that. Taking the term horse to a new extreme.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 29, 2018 16:40:28 GMT -5
What to do with Price? He holds the decision and I think he now has a week to make his decision for the opt out. Losing him means you free up a bunch of money, losing some durability (usually), losing some moral in the clubhouse. This is such a complex thing we all debate with wanting him versus keeping him. There's plenty of reasons for wanting him to leave and wanting him to stay. I think he stays, and that might not be a bad thing, but it forces future roster payroll constrictions. I'll always remember how he threw every friggen single day in the postseason. I've never seen that. Taking the term horse to a new extreme. I'm not sure if opt-out dates are set by the contract or the league, but Kershaw said he had 3 days to decide on his.
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Post by jmei on Oct 29, 2018 16:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 29, 2018 17:12:46 GMT -5
Ohh shoot, good catch guys. I thought it was a week after the world series ended.
Wow that's a bum rap to decide a whole future that quickly. I guess it's better for us to know sooner and probably good for the Sox, so they know how much to spend this offseason.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 29, 2018 17:31:25 GMT -5
Ohh shoot, good catch guys. I thought it was a week after the world series ended. Wow that's a bum rap to decide a whole future that quickly. I guess it's better for us to know sooner and probably good for the Sox, so they know how much to spend this offseason. I honestly believe that there was never much of a chance of Price opting out. I think now, there's even less of a chance. Who doesn't want to be loved in the town that loves so few?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 29, 2018 17:37:57 GMT -5
Ohh shoot, good catch guys. I thought it was a week after the world series ended. Wow that's a bum rap to decide a whole future that quickly. I guess it's better for us to know sooner and probably good for the Sox, so they know how much to spend this offseason. I honestly believe that there was never much of a chance of Price opting out. I think now, there's even less of a chance. Who doesn't want to be loved in the town that loves so few? Depends what's motivating Price. He came here for multiple reasons. The young core, chance of winning, but the biggest reason was the money. I still think he's the 3rd or 4th best option behind Kershaw, Corbin, and Keuchel. If money is the motivator, he might risk making more after cashing in on his best postseason performance and showing everyone that his magical elbow is real after throwing sooo much this postseason. I can't wait to find out and get it over with.
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Post by prangerx on Oct 29, 2018 19:08:10 GMT -5
I don't see the Red Sox easily replacing him if he opts out. Certainly.not on the open market.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 29, 2018 21:10:44 GMT -5
I don't see the Red Sox easily replacing him if he opts out. Certainly.not on the open market. For that money? He can be replaced in free agency. Corbin is best available starter. Younger. Kershaw. Even if Kershaw isn’t 2014 Kershaw, I’d take his production over Price for the next four years.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 29, 2018 21:36:36 GMT -5
I don't see the Red Sox easily replacing him if he opts out. Certainly.not on the open market. For that money? He can be replaced in free agency. Corbin is best available starter. Younger. Kershaw. Even if Kershaw isn’t 2014 Kershaw, I’d take his production over Price for the next four years. You had me right up until Kershaw. Kershaw has a bad back, nothing guaranteed with him from now on.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 30, 2018 0:52:41 GMT -5
Here's the date we find out. Friday is it. Maybe it comes sooner though.
Edit- This time (5pm eastern time) is when Free Agency officially begins and any player eligible for free agency is free to sign with any other team in baseball. This is why the players can't opt out past this time on Friday.
Second Edit- Morrosi thinks all opt out dates will be resolved by Wednesday, but that is his opinion, I think.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 31, 2018 7:01:32 GMT -5
Price has until midnight tonight to decide whether or not to exercise his opt out of his contract. I would think it might be best for both him and the Red Sox to go their separate ways. He helped them win the 2018 World Series, however he didn't seem to be enjoying himself in his three years in Boston. I would imagine that he could get a similar contract from teams such as the Braves, Brewers or Cardinals, with a couple of years added on. The Red Sox clearly could use the money to seek to sign Betts and Bogaerts to long term contracts.
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