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Post by lennsakata on Feb 24, 2015 8:53:03 GMT -5
Mulder had excellent fastball command which Owen's doesn't have yet. Yes they are both tall lefties with plus secondary pitches and great makeup, but you are right other than that, it's not a great comp. I don't see many other recent comps. Tall lefties, high pedigrees in the minors. Middling fastballs that play up bc of a dominant secondary pitch. HO proved to be an innings eater and MM had higher k rates in the minors. relatively clean deliveries, not great fastball command, cool demeanor, highly touted at young age...think thats more than just tall and left handed handed....don't remember if it was you or the previous comment who daid those were the only similarities Aaron Harang is 6'7, strikes out a healthy amount of guys without great velocity. He throws in the high 80's mostly and has averaged 7.3 k's/9 for his MLB career (only 2.8 BB's/9). Harang is listed at 260 so that may mitigate the height similarity as their body types are quite different. Hope Owens is better than Harang but he's had 8 or 9 good MLB seasons with some atrocious ones mixed in.,..although his time in the AL marks 3 of his worst seasons,.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 28, 2015 12:40:11 GMT -5
Jason Mastrodonato ?@jmastrodonato 35m35 minutes ago Almost the entire Red Sox front office and major league coaching staff watching Henry Owens throw live BP.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 28, 2015 22:43:28 GMT -5
The delivery, and the body type, of Owens and Harang are so different they might as well be from different planets. Sorry, but 0 comp points.
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 28, 2015 23:04:11 GMT -5
The delivery, and the body type, of Owens and Harang are so different they might as well be from different planets. Sorry, but 0 comp points. Agree for the most part...I was not even making an attempt at the mechanics..the original post alluded to a tall lefty with a middling fastball and good K rates. That's about all I was comparing....Harang does not have a dominant secondary pitch like Owen's change. His curve was pretty good in the past but he is mostly a fastball, sinker, slider guy now. I mentioned the body type being different in my post...only semi interesting comparable is the middling fastball and high K rates Harang has enjoyed along with several productive seasons despite stuff that does not seemingly project to that kind of success...which is sort of the issue with projecting Owens, albeit with the advantage of a great change to go with his avg velocity but not the same level of control as Harang.
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Post by jmei on Feb 28, 2015 23:39:08 GMT -5
Uh, Harang is a righty...
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 28, 2015 23:53:04 GMT -5
Uh, Harang is a righty... I was testing you and you passed....barely. That's kind of embarrasing....had it in my mind he was a lefty for some reason.
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Post by m1keyboots on Mar 1, 2015 2:20:00 GMT -5
Uh, Harang is a righty... I was testing you and you passed....barely. That's kind of embarrasing....had it in my mind he was a lefty for some reason. Do I get any pointS for the orinigal post? I didn't want to seem like a know it all with the harang being righty. MiddLing changeup, no high leg kick. 91 ish fb, plus muldy and owens HD similair deivory inconsistencies early . Plus harang seemed like the guy hitters use as a pitcher for the Home Run Derby
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 1, 2015 4:34:19 GMT -5
Jason Mastrodonato ?@jmastrodonato 35m35 minutes ago Almost the entire Red Sox front office and major league coaching staff watching Henry Owens throw live BP. This strikes me as unusual. Any speculation on why the group think ? . . . Mastrodonato article on Owens. Nice comments on the changeup, Nieves pretty non committal. www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/boston_red_sox/2015/02/henry_owens_looks_to_impressThe 22-year-old southpaw didn’t have great command of his unassuming, low-90s fastball yesterday, but his changeup might as well have been wearing a mask.
“Great deception, hard to pick up,” said Red Sox catcher Ryan Hanigan, who faced Owens and was badly fooled by one of his signature pitches. “He got me on the changeup today because you can’t see the spin. It looks just like his fastball. That’s a huge advantage. That deception right there is a big reason why he’s here
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Post by atzar on Mar 2, 2015 12:25:01 GMT -5
^ If you're one if those people who enjoy reading between the lines of a quote, then you should have a field day with Nieves' comments on Owens. He could mean any number of things.
Kind of mirrors his entire path as a prospect. We STILL have no real idea of what we have in this kid.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Mar 2, 2015 15:04:04 GMT -5
Jason Mastrodonato ?@jmastrodonato 35m35 minutes ago Almost the entire Red Sox front office and major league coaching staff watching Henry Owens throw live BP. This strikes me as unusual. Any speculation on why the group think ? . . . Mastrodonato article on Owens. Nice comments on the changeup, Nieves pretty non committal. www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/boston_red_sox/2015/02/henry_owens_looks_to_impressThe 22-year-old southpaw didn’t have great command of his unassuming, low-90s fastball yesterday, but his changeup might as well have been wearing a mask.
“Great deception, hard to pick up,” said Red Sox catcher Ryan Hanigan, who faced Owens and was badly fooled by one of his signature pitches. “He got me on the changeup today because you can’t see the spin. It looks just like his fastball. That’s a huge advantage. That deception right there is a big reason why he’s here Don't forget; Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 3h3 hours ago Phillies special assistant Charlie Kerfeld scouted Red Sox camp today.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 2, 2015 22:18:20 GMT -5
This strikes me as unusual. Any speculation on why the group think ? . . . Mastrodonato article on Owens. Nice comments on the changeup, Nieves pretty non committal. www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/boston_red_sox/2015/02/henry_owens_looks_to_impressThe 22-year-old southpaw didn’t have great command of his unassuming, low-90s fastball yesterday, but his changeup might as well have been wearing a mask.
“Great deception, hard to pick up,” said Red Sox catcher Ryan Hanigan, who faced Owens and was badly fooled by one of his signature pitches. “He got me on the changeup today because you can’t see the spin. It looks just like his fastball. That’s a huge advantage. That deception right there is a big reason why he’s here Don't forget; Nick Cafardo @nickcafardo 3h3 hours ago Phillies special assistant Charlie Kerfeld scouted Red Sox camp today. And Owens would make sense as the headliner prospect in a trade for a left handed pitcher with a long contract.
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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 1, 2015 10:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by cologneredsox on Apr 30, 2015 8:04:22 GMT -5
Wow, can't wait for the writeup from Ian, the news about the slider could be a gamechanger!
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 30, 2015 8:41:10 GMT -5
Wow, can't wait for the writeup from Ian, the news about the slider could be a gamechanger! ??
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 30, 2015 8:53:56 GMT -5
Wow, can't wait for the writeup from Ian, the news about the slider could be a gamechanger! ?? Ian Cundall Ian Cundall · 12h 12 hours ago Just got back from Henry Owens start. Will have a write up on @soxprospects, but of note, Owens incorporated a new pitch, a slider tonight.
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Post by bigpupp on Apr 30, 2015 17:09:50 GMT -5
So Badler was right all along about Owens having a slider?
(it was Badler, wasn't it?)
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 30, 2015 22:41:27 GMT -5
I think it was Chris Crawford. Owens said its a new pitch so I guess not.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 30, 2015 22:55:21 GMT -5
Crawford. And it's definitely new. Predictable that he'd add it though. Needs either that or the curve to become more than a show me pitch.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 1, 2015 9:15:52 GMT -5
Crawford. And it's definitely new. Predictable that he'd add it though. Needs either that or the curve to become more than a show me pitch. If it's either/or I would opt for the slider. The curve I have seen was so slow and loopy it could not have had that much deception. Some people here have mentioned that he has tightened up the curve or throws a harder one in addition. But a slider would give a bit more speed off the curve and change. His reported 79 MPH slider could use a bit more octane though, no?
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Post by cologneredsox on May 27, 2015 3:47:19 GMT -5
news.soxprospects.com/2015/05/the-write-up-henry-owens.htmlNice writeup by Chaz, it's good to read that some of Hanks results this year may be based on him trying to develop his offerings which lag behind. And it really was a good point that he still is the 8th youngest SP in AAA, for still one of our prospects I regard very highly and continiue to dream on.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 27, 2015 19:37:43 GMT -5
I agree, that was just a very good writeup. It has been mentioned before, that the results are probably secondary at this point. Instead, he's focusing on the development of the slider and, as Chaz made clear, he's willing to reduce the number of changeups to get those reps in at gametime. What is fascinating is that he's doing this at AAA. I think that punches the ticket on the proposed timeframe for his arrival, as the write-up mentions, that it won't be this year. The changeup is so good that it's always there in reserve. He really needs to focus on the other pitches, and that's what he's doing if the pitch count by type is any indication.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 29, 2015 9:04:12 GMT -5
After watching his video I found he threw more curve and less changeup.
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Post by cologneredsox on May 29, 2015 9:34:14 GMT -5
www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=26472Him and Diaz got scouted by old friend Chris Mellen. Given I read Owens threw 92 already on some occasions this year, I think the projected peak velocity is a little low. To bad the slider wasn't thrown or not enough to be evaluated. Chris was always a little less enthusiastic about him than others, overall an encouraging report by him.
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Post by telson13 on May 29, 2015 10:54:57 GMT -5
Owens is really an interesting prospect. I just don't know what to make of him. His height, easy fluid mechanics, natural deception, and release point all say to me that his FB probably isn't getting any faster (most pitchers achieve peak velocity at 21-23), but probably does not need to be. I haven't seen an analysis of the actual distance from the plate of his release point, but given his height and delivery it seems to me that it's probably a foot or more closer to home than "average," meaning his effective velocity may be more like sitting 90-92 and touching 94. When he's been over the plate this year he's been pretty unhittable. I'm certain his BAA is in the top 5-10 of all minor leaguers with, say, 40 or more innings this year. So if his control troubles really are the product of him working heavily on the slider/curve, he's still had pretty good results, with an ERA under 3. Also, I'll never understand the lack of projection on offspeed stuff for young starters. Current/future 65 grades for the change? That seems silly to me. If he's 22, his FB probably isn't getting much faster. But a "feel" pitch like the change? I'd think a future 70 would be as good a chance as not, and 80 isn't out of the question (although for obvious reasons, not projectable). But for a pitcher with a clean, low-effort delivery...who has previously shown the ability to dramatically improve his command in the jump from Greenville to Portland...I'm starting to hope Owens can really learn to spot well.
Obviously, Owens is never going to be Randy Johnson (who also really only became good once his command dramatically improved), but a Cliff Lee/Tom Glavine (especially Glavine with the avg FB-excellent CH combo) type pitcher is not out of the question. True, those guys are two rare cases of true ace-caliber starters, with Glavine a HOFer, but after being a bit down on Owens, I'm genuinely starting to believe he's a future 2.
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Post by jimed14 on May 29, 2015 10:58:38 GMT -5
Let's say Owens never develops that fastball command. What would happen in the bullpen if he threw mainly changeups and pitched backwards with fastballs to keep hitters off balance?
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