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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2018 22:07:09 GMT -5
The idea was floated around in the trade deadline thread, but it wasn't all that bad of a idea, to be honest.
You have Rafael Devers to offer the Mets, which is probably the best starting point than any other team in baseball can offer. Maybe you add in a Darwinzon Hernandez or something, but this idea could work.
Michael Chavis is probably less than a year away from being ready and can obviously play 3B and Chavis might have the same power potential as Devers.
You could acquire Moustakas as a rental and replace Devers that way.
I hate the idea of trading Devers, but as we've talked as nauseam on here the starting pitching is highly questionable right now and going to the playoffs. The team is on pace to win over 100 games and is in win now mode.
Edit- This scenario is way more plausible than Blake Snell, who is on a division rival.
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Post by Coreno on Jul 17, 2018 22:33:49 GMT -5
Why does everyone want to trade Devers all of a sudden?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2018 22:37:16 GMT -5
It's not a matter of want. It's more of a matter of need. The Sox might need a top of the rotation starter after the losses of Pomeranz, Wright, and Eduardo. All of these players have performed like top of the rotation starters the past two years, but can't stay healthy and are questionable in terms of coming back or performing the rest of the year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 17, 2018 23:45:45 GMT -5
But then you'd need to spend chips to acquire a 3b. None of the Sox minor league 3b are ready.
The Sox, if they make a deal, will get a backend starter.
The Red Sox don't need to do anything splashy, some astute small moves like they did last year would suffice nicely.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 18, 2018 17:15:38 GMT -5
Why does everyone want to trade Devers all of a sudden? Don't at all, but the with cupboard bare for all but a reliever or a rental, if you want to go all in it has to hurt. The replacement opportunity - both with a rental for the rest of this year, and a run at Machado or a one-two year FA replacement in the off season - is there. Finding controllable, good starting pitching is much, much more difficult going forward. It would be a tough pill to swallow, but it's the type of thinking Dombrowski has to consider. As for Snell, I think other GMs would blink, but both Dombrowski and Tampa's GM don't give a rip about trading within the division. If anything the perceived advantage would be on Tampa's side as they would acquire an asset that would face Boston 19 times a year and losing one that only faces them 4 times a year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 18, 2018 17:31:05 GMT -5
It's not a matter of want. It's more of a matter of need. The Sox might need a top of the rotation starter after the losses of Pomeranz, Wright, and Eduardo. All of these players have performed like top of the rotation starters the past two years, but can't stay healthy and are questionable in terms of coming back or performing the rest of the year. It's more want than need to say we need another Ace type pitcher. We don't even know if those guys can or can't come back. Right now we have 3 top 50 starters per bwar and the best offense in the game. I can agree we now need to get a starter, but we don't need an Ace level starter. Even of ERod is done for the year, we need more of a guy that can start a game 4 in the playoffs. Think a guy like Haap, a solid starter, not an elite guy. It sucks because I would have slotted ERod in game 2 the way he was pitching, but that doesn't mean we need another guy to pitch game 2.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2018 17:31:14 GMT -5
They probably need to trade for a starter. They do not need to trade for Noah Syndergaard, which could only be achieved by creating another hole on the MLB roster that would then need to be filled.
The losses of Rodriguez, Pomeranz, and Wright do not create a need for Syndergaard. They create a need for more depth. Would've been nice if Beeks were that guy but based on the MLB looks so far, they can't depend on him for that right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 18, 2018 17:44:16 GMT -5
It's not a matter of want. It's more of a matter of need. The Sox might need a top of the rotation starter after the losses of Pomeranz, Wright, and Eduardo. All of these players have performed like top of the rotation starters the past two years, but can't stay healthy and are questionable in terms of coming back or performing the rest of the year. It's more want than need to say we need another Ace type pitcher. We don't even know if those guys can or can't come back. Right now we have 3 top 50 starters per bwar and the best offense in the game. I can agree we now need to get a starter, but we don't need an Ace level starter. Even of ERod is done for the year, we need more of a guy that can start a game 4 in the playoffs. Think a guy like Haap, a solid starter, not an elite guy. It sucks because I would have slotted ERod in game 2 the way he was pitching, but that doesn't mean we need another guy to pitch game 2. Rick Porcello and David Price are your 2 best starters after Sale. Both have ERA's over 4. That's not ideal imo. You're banking on one of those guys to comeback. I don't feel good after Sale in the postseason.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 18, 2018 19:05:26 GMT -5
It's more want than need to say we need another Ace type pitcher. We don't even know if those guys can or can't come back. Right now we have 3 top 50 starters per bwar and the best offense in the game. I can agree we now need to get a starter, but we don't need an Ace level starter. Even of ERod is done for the year, we need more of a guy that can start a game 4 in the playoffs. Think a guy like Haap, a solid starter, not an elite guy. It sucks because I would have slotted ERod in game 2 the way he was pitching, but that doesn't mean we need another guy to pitch game 2. Rick Porcello and David Price are your 2 best starters after Sale. Both have ERA's over 4. That's not ideal imo. You're banking on one of those guys to comeback. I don't feel good after Sale in the postseason. Steven Wright will save us all.
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Post by uconnsox on Jul 21, 2018 14:00:52 GMT -5
If the Sox were to trade with the Mets, and go for something big, something like Devers and E-Rod for deGrom, Frazier, and Familia would definitely be tempting to me. The World Series would be Boston's to lose from this season until 2020.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 21, 2018 15:25:20 GMT -5
If the Sox were to trade with the Mets, and go for something big, something like Devers and E-Rod for deGrom, Frazier, and Familia would definitely be tempting to me. The World Series would be Boston's to lose from this season until 2020. I wouldn't trade Eduardo, but giving up Devers for deGrom and Asdrubal Cabrera would be a nice get. Syndergaard was experiencing lack of velocity in his last start, so trading for him could be bad. He's injury prone too, so there's that.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2018 16:40:01 GMT -5
I think people are going to be pretty shocked when the Red Sox no longer have any decent players making $550K and have to sign free agents instead with a very limited budget. It's not going to be pretty. We don't need to make it worse with trades like this. That's when we'll be heading into a season with guys like Nunez all over the lineup being counted on to be starters. (and he wasn't supposed to be one this year)
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Post by telson13 on Jul 21, 2018 22:12:08 GMT -5
If the Sox were to trade with the Mets, and go for something big, something like Devers and E-Rod for deGrom, Frazier, and Familia would definitely be tempting to me. The World Series would be Boston's to lose from this season until 2020. I wouldn't trade Eduardo, but giving up Devers for deGrom and Asdrubal Cabrera would be a nice get. Syndergaard was experiencing lack of velocity in his last start, so trading for him could be bad. He's injury prone too, so there's that. I would hate that trade, but part of me would love it too. That’s a tough one...I’m confident that Devers is a future .280/.350/.550 hitter before his control runs out. I think he’s got a shot at being an elite hitter, too...read something that said about 20% of hitters who get the AB he did at 20 in MLB become HOFers. But DeGrom and Cabrera would make them nearly unstoppable. Just tough to give up Devers for a pitcher...and you never know how Chavis turns out or if either Syndergaard or DeGrom (post-TJ) goes down. My rational side says no with all the salary issues coming up, but my exuberant side says “back-to-back WS wins.”
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Post by telson13 on Jul 21, 2018 22:13:37 GMT -5
I think people are going to be pretty shocked when the Red Sox no longer have any decent players making $550K and have to sign free agents instead with a very limited budget. It's not going to be pretty. We don't need to make it worse with trades like this. That's when we'll be heading into a season with guys like Nunez all over the lineup being counted on to be starters. (and he wasn't supposed to be one this year) Ah, i thought my rational side would chime in again.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2018 1:13:41 GMT -5
I think people are going to be pretty shocked when the Red Sox no longer have any decent players making $550K and have to sign free agents instead with a very limited budget. It's not going to be pretty. We don't need to make it worse with trades like this. That's when we'll be heading into a season with guys like Nunez all over the lineup being counted on to be starters. (and he wasn't supposed to be one this year) Ah, i thought my rational side would chime in again. You have Chavis and Bobby Dalbec that could come up in the next 1-3 years that is cost controlled. Cabrera would only be a rental that plays 3B and deGrom would be a cheap cost controlled pitcher.
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Post by sparkygian on Jul 22, 2018 2:27:36 GMT -5
The Mets front office would have to be high on jet fumes to give up DeGrom and whoever else for Devers, and whichever secondary players. Just my opinion that this trade proposal ain't a balanced one for the Mets. Between Devers, Chavis, and Dalbec though, I could see either Chavis or Dalbec being traded at this season's trade deadline, along with someone like Shawaryn, for someone like Keone Kela. No matter what, this trade deadline is going to perhaps be the most important one that DD and the Sox have encountered, based on ERod's injury, Kelly's flat-lining over the last month and a half, and possibly a second-baseman.
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Post by sparkygian on Jul 22, 2018 2:36:48 GMT -5
Can't believe MLB.com is floating the possibility of Devers being flipped for Moustakas, or Dozier, or a late-inning reliever from the Twins or Royals. Please, please don't trade Devers, DD!!!!! I could see Devers being part of a package for DeGrom or Syndergaard, but I really doubt the Mets are seriously considering trading either of their aces.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2018 6:29:10 GMT -5
The Mets front office would have to be high on jet fumes to give up DeGrom and whoever else for Devers, and whichever secondary players. Just my opinion that this trade proposal ain't a balanced one for the Mets. Ummm what? Devers is 21 and is on pace for over 25 home runs this year. DeGrom is 30 or soon to be 30 soon and is cost controlled for 2 more years afterwards. Devers would absolutely be one of the best gets for a DeGrom if the Mets made him available.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 22, 2018 10:49:40 GMT -5
Ah, i thought my rational side would chime in again. You have Chavis and Bobby Dalbec that could come up in the next 1-3 years that is cost controlled. Cabrera would only be a rental that plays 3B and deGrom would be a cheap cost controlled pitcher. Neither of those two is currently a good or safe bet to be even a passable replacement. Chavis is coming off a PED suspensión and is stalled with a minor injury in AA; Dalbec is 23 in high A and whiffs 30% of the time. Betting on getting anything approaching average (1.5-2.5 WAR) out of either of them...let alone expecting them to replace a player who’s probably destined for 4+ WAR/season in 2-3 years...is absolute folly. If Dalbec were doing what he’s doing in AAA at 23, it would still be risky but I could see it. Right now those two are both way too high risk to bank on.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 22, 2018 10:54:27 GMT -5
The Mets front office would have to be high on jet fumes to give up DeGrom and whoever else for Devers, and whichever secondary players. Just my opinion that this trade proposal ain't a balanced one for the Mets. Between Devers, Chavis, and Dalbec though, I could see either Chavis or Dalbec being traded at this season's trade deadline, along with someone like Shawaryn, for someone like Keone Kela. No matter what, this trade deadline is going to perhaps be the most important one that DD and the Sox have encountered, based on ERod's injury, Kelly's flat-lining over the last month and a half, and possibly a second-baseman. For consideration: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-trade-value-1-to-10/
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2018 11:08:19 GMT -5
You have Chavis and Bobby Dalbec that could come up in the next 1-3 years that is cost controlled. Cabrera would only be a rental that plays 3B and deGrom would be a cheap cost controlled pitcher. Neither of those two is currently a good or safe bet to be even a passable replacement. Chavis is coming off a PED suspensión and is stalled with a minor injury in AA; Dalbec is 23 in high A and whiffs 30% of the time. Betting on getting anything approaching average (1.5-2.5 WAR) out of either of them...let alone expecting them to replace a player who’s probably destined for 4+ WAR/season in 2-3 years...is absolute folly. If Dalbec were doing what he’s doing in AAA at 23, it would still be risky but I could see it. Right now those two are both way too high risk to bank on. The Sox would probably need to sign or trade for a one year bridge type until Chavis is ready.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 22, 2018 11:20:27 GMT -5
Neither of those two is currently a good or safe bet to be even a passable replacement. Chavis is coming off a PED suspensión and is stalled with a minor injury in AA; Dalbec is 23 in high A and whiffs 30% of the time. Betting on getting anything approaching average (1.5-2.5 WAR) out of either of them...let alone expecting them to replace a player who’s probably destined for 4+ WAR/season in 2-3 years...is absolute folly. If Dalbec were doing what he’s doing in AAA at 23, it would still be risky but I could see it. Right now those two are both way too high risk to bank on. The Sox would probably need to sign or trade for a one year bridge type until Chavis is ready. They would absolutely have to, and on top of that there’s a high likelihood of needing to sign an expensive FA on the 60-90% chance neither Chavis nor Dalbec is an adequate replacement in year 2. I like both of those guys, but they’re super high risk. Could be high-reward, but that’s the benefit of Devers: several years of likely massive excess value with very low salaries.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2018 16:58:55 GMT -5
Knew something was up with Noah's drop in velocity. Never heard of this before, at first I thought it was a joke.
Feel bad for Noah, just seems to be struck by the injury bug. DeGrom seems like the guy the Mets should sell high on now.
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Post by tizzle on Jul 22, 2018 18:09:43 GMT -5
By the sounds of it, about as minor a condition as you're going to see someone get.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2018 19:12:02 GMT -5
Its a viral illness that usually effects children under 5 years old. He likely only misses one start per ESPN.
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