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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 17, 2018 15:55:32 GMT -5
JP: what would be your AL MVP ballot as of today? Keith Law: Betts, Ramirez, Trout. Lark11: Honest question: to this point in his career, is Mike Trout the best baseball player in the history of the sport? Keith Law: I would say so. I tend to favor contemporary players over past ones, because the level of competition today is so much higher. The best player in the world in 1910 had a lower bar to clear than the best player today. Flip side of this is players today have better medical care, training, equipment etc. I can’t imagine finishing a series and heading for the TRAIN for the next one... or staying in dives, or working in the off season etc. Or having to play only against white people.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 17, 2018 16:13:45 GMT -5
IMO.... Many pitchers in those days were just getting the ball over the plate and serving up meatballs. You will never convince me that guys who threw as many innings as they did could be anywhere near as effective as todays pitchers need to be. Different ball, different game but I have to think todays players are heads and shoulders above the past guys. I have heard stories about Rico Petrocelli drinking a six pack between double headers.
Bigger, stronger, faster and much much more competition to become a MLB player.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 17, 2018 17:43:44 GMT -5
Or, for contemporary hitters/position players, not having to worry very much about the next fastball buzzing at your chin with malicious intent. Or, on defense, not having to worry about a runner coming in with spikes high or his leg raised to leg-whip you on the DP turn, or an elbow out to flatten the catcher.
I will take to my grave the conviction that the greatest player in the history of the game to this point has been ...... Babe Ruth, for two reasons: (1) He fundamentally changed the game of baseball toward power; and (2) He is the only player in the history of the game to have demonstrated legitimate HOF credentials both as a pitcher and a position player/hitter.
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2018 18:19:33 GMT -5
I think it is fair to say you simply can’t compare. Trout is the best today in the conditions he plays in, Ruth, same in his day. It isn’t fair to say, for example, wow, Trout would’ve been even better then... since we don’t know what a Mike Trout born in the 1900s would look like.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 17, 2018 18:23:32 GMT -5
It is soo nice to see Kinsler back playing 2B
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 18:23:34 GMT -5
Kinsler to Xander is a fun double play combo.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 18:27:03 GMT -5
Alright stop throwing pitches down the middle Johnson.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2018 18:27:14 GMT -5
Lance Lynn falling apart in the 1st. 4-0 Jays.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2018 18:28:38 GMT -5
Not one of these balls are hit hard. 95 mph was the hardest hit.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 17, 2018 18:29:23 GMT -5
Gotta bury those Curves. Leaving them up over the middle
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 18:39:27 GMT -5
I'd walk Martinez if I was the Rays here.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 17, 2018 18:48:08 GMT -5
Nice Bogey! Back in the game
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 18:49:09 GMT -5
Good. Knock the Rays bullpen out in the first game of the series and hurt them for the entire series.
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2018 18:50:05 GMT -5
Bogey is strooong... that pitch was high and away. I never thought he could pull it with power. Impressive.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 18:53:21 GMT -5
Nunez is a much better third baseman without even thinking twice about it.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 17, 2018 18:53:29 GMT -5
Nunez!! So much difference between him and 2nd and at 3rd. You can tell the way he attacks the ball at 3rd he's more confident being there
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2018 18:56:39 GMT -5
Johnson has guts. I really like him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 19:03:24 GMT -5
JBJ would be better served trying to go that way on ground balls for his batting average sake.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2018 19:06:18 GMT -5
JP: what would be your AL MVP ballot as of today? Keith Law: Betts, Ramirez, Trout. Lark11: Honest question: to this point in his career, is Mike Trout the best baseball player in the history of the sport? Keith Law: I would say so. I tend to favor contemporary players over past ones, because the level of competition today is so much higher. The best player in the world in 1910 had a lower bar to clear than the best player today. Flip side of this is players today have better medical care, training, equipment etc. I can’t imagine finishing a series and heading for the TRAIN for the next one... or staying in dives, or working in the off season etc. The Bambino wast facing bullpens full of 100 MPH flame throwers from the 6th inning on either.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 19:10:59 GMT -5
That man JBJ.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 19:24:46 GMT -5
Johnson doesn't even let you go grab a beer before he ends a inning. He pitches like his head is on fire.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2018 19:29:51 GMT -5
Flip side of this is players today have better medical care, training, equipment etc. I can’t imagine finishing a series and heading for the TRAIN for the next one... or staying in dives, or working in the off season etc. The Bambino wast facing bullpens full of 100 MPH flame throwers from the 6th inning on either. Luckily, we have season adjusted stats that compare someone like Ruth to present day players based on how much better he was than the average player. No one comes close other than Ted Williams. I mean if it was so easy to hit during Babe Ruth's time, you'd think there would be a lot of other hitters like Ruth back then but there are none. There never has been in the history of baseball.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2018 19:35:56 GMT -5
The Bambino wast facing bullpens full of 100 MPH flame throwers from the 6th inning on either. Luckily, we have season adjusted stats that compare someone like Ruth to present day players based on how much better he was than the average player. No one comes close other than Ted Williams. I mean if it was so easy to hit during Babe Ruth's time, you'd think there would be a lot of other hitters like Ruth back then but there are none. There never has been in the history of baseball. I mean, you had some like Shoeless Joe Jackson and Ty Cobb, but no sluggers like him for sure. I read somewhere that ground rule doubles were counted as homeruns also back in the day for a while, but I'm not totally sure about that. I imagine Babe Ruth being a Adam Dunn type if he played in today's game with a million strikeouts, less average, and a lot of homeruns. He probably would fit well in today's game if he played.
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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 17, 2018 19:56:46 GMT -5
Luckily, we have season adjusted stats that compare someone like Ruth to present day players based on how much better he was than the average player. No one comes close other than Ted Williams. I mean if it was so easy to hit during Babe Ruth's time, you'd think there would be a lot of other hitters like Ruth back then but there are none. There never has been in the history of baseball. I mean, you had some like Shoeless Joe Jackson and Ty Cobb, but no sluggers like him for sure. I read somewhere that ground rule doubles were counted as homeruns also back in the day for a while, but I'm not totally sure about that. I imagine Babe Ruth being a Adam Dunn type if he played in today's game with a million strikeouts, less average, and a lot of homeruns. He probably would fit well in today's game if he played. Hard to compare to Ruth he was hitting more homers than some teams. But Fenway did not help Ted adding the bullpens did help though.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 17, 2018 20:00:24 GMT -5
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