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2018 Red Sox postseason roster
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 10, 2018 16:08:55 GMT -5
In Kelly's appearance on Friday, he gave up two singles that bounced about 3 feet in front of the plate for very negative launch angles, then a real hit by Bregman and then a weak SF to right. The inning easily could have been over before anyone complained. Very true. But I think it’s folly to look at that one outing as a bad-luck anomaly in light of the past two months. He is what he is: an exceptionally gifted player with huge velocity, two solid secondaries, and a heretofore-inexplicable inability to miss bats. If he can somehow get on a roll like he was on back in April-May, by all means ride the hot hand. When he’s on he gets grounders and doesn’t give up HR. But I also think it’s highly unlikely (tho obviously not impossible) that he makes any sort of evolutionary leap that turns him into a *consistent* back end bullpen threat. I think odds are, he remains an enigma, and not one I’d be willing to shell out 3/$20M for, or whatever his market might be with that glorious(ly frustrating) arm. I'm just pointing it out for the people who change their mind on pitchers after one appearance over and over.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 10, 2018 16:09:11 GMT -5
Here we go: C – Leon 1B – Moreland 2B – Kinsler SS – Bogaerts 3B – Devers LF – Benintendi CF – Bradley RF – Betts DH - Martinez Those are my starting position players at this point. Leon’s defense can’t be undervalued. Devers and Nunez are basically even at this point for me, depending on the pitching matchup and how each look over the next few weeks. SP 1 – Sale SP 2 – Price SP 3 – Porcello SP 4 – E-Rod Again, we need to see how the rest of the regular season plays out. I could flip flop the order of the final three. Price has been great and should be the #2. It’s Price, though, so let’s let that play out. CL – Kimbrell RP – Barnes RP – Brasier RP – Hembree RP – Eovaldi RP – Poyner RP – Wright Bench – Swihart, Nunez, Holt, Pearce, Phillips I actually would rather have an extra arm than Vasquez at this point. Again, we still have plenty of games left, so I think a lot of this will sort itself out. I thought Phillips wasn't eligible for the post season roster because he wasn't added to the 40 man until after Sept 1st. Am I wrong? That’s a good question I’m too lazy to look up. I thought he was on the 40 but not recalled. But if you’re right and he wasn’t added, I think the old rule was that the player simply had to be in the organization? That’s what happened with Price on the Rays and Francisco Rodriguez when he debuted with the Angels.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 10, 2018 16:10:41 GMT -5
Very true. But I think it’s folly to look at that one outing as a bad-luck anomaly in light of the past two months. He is what he is: an exceptionally gifted player with huge velocity, two solid secondaries, and a heretofore-inexplicable inability to miss bats. If he can somehow get on a roll like he was on back in April-May, by all means ride the hot hand. When he’s on he gets grounders and doesn’t give up HR. But I also think it’s highly unlikely (tho obviously not impossible) that he makes any sort of evolutionary leap that turns him into a *consistent* back end bullpen threat. I think odds are, he remains an enigma, and not one I’d be willing to shell out 3/$20M for, or whatever his market might be with that glorious(ly frustrating) arm. I'm just pointing it out for the people who change their mind on pitchers after one appearance over and over. Lol, fair enough. Def not me, although damned if this whole bullpen doesn’t make it hard.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 10, 2018 16:21:04 GMT -5
Also, since I don’t have a great place to put it elsewhere and it does have some playoff roster implications (esp re: MI depth choices, where my vote is for Lin over Nunez and Phillips): can we discuss what a great season Bogey as had. He’s really been quite steady defensively, consistent in general, occasionally transcendent offensively, and has quietly put together some excellent numbers. He’s almost assuredly never going to be Lindor defensively, but offensively he’s a pretty reasonable facsimile. I’ve got a lot of hope for him moving forward the next two years. His BB%/K%/IsoP are really quite good, and it seems like he really has been putting all of his skills together this season. With Mookie and JDM, he’s on the verge of making for a 5-WAR position player trifecta, and with Sale, and Beni having at least an outside shot (or much better than outside if he gets hot again), that’s 5 5-win players. The depth on this team is outstanding, and to “forgettability” of Bogaerts as one of the team’s best players speaks to that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2018 16:27:19 GMT -5
I thought Phillips wasn't eligible for the post season roster because he wasn't added to the 40 man until after Sept 1st. Am I wrong? That’s a good question I’m too lazy to look up. I thought he was on the 40 but not recalled. But if you’re right and he wasn’t added, I think the old rule was that the player simply had to be in the organization? That’s what happened with Price on the Rays and Francisco Rodriguez when he debuted with the Angels. Brandon Phillips was eligible regardless. You have to be in the organization by 8/31. Phillips has been in the organization since June, I think, but obviously well before 9/1, so he's eligible.
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Post by caseytins on Sept 10, 2018 18:57:11 GMT -5
Maybe there is some confusion with Chavis. Because of his PED suspension, he is not eligible for any postseason roster. I honestly like the flexibility that Phillips gives us. Despite his age, he's still a great athlete
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 11, 2018 11:18:57 GMT -5
That’s a good question I’m too lazy to look up. I thought he was on the 40 but not recalled. But if you’re right and he wasn’t added, I think the old rule was that the player simply had to be in the organization? That’s what happened with Price on the Rays and Francisco Rodriguez when he debuted with the Angels. Brandon Phillips was eligible regardless. You have to be in the organization by 8/31. Phillips has been in the organization since June, I think, but obviously well before 9/1, so he's eligible. It's in the org by 8/31. Then, even if you weren't on the 40-man, you can replace someone who is on the 60-day DL.
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Post by huskies15 on Sept 11, 2018 14:51:18 GMT -5
I hope Devers gets a lot of playing time the remainder of the month to get himself right. To me, he's on the post-season roster regardless but I think he is a true X factor that can take this lineup to a crazy level
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 11, 2018 15:20:02 GMT -5
I hope Devers gets a lot of playing time the remainder of the month to get himself right. To me, he's on the post-season roster regardless but I think he is a true X factor that can take this lineup to a crazy level I hope he does also and expect that he will unless he really is still somewhat injured. If the guys who have been doing it all season long keep doing it and some of those who have struggled start to hit they will be really tough to beat. Devers, JBJ, Kinsler, Moreland it is a long list of guys who have the ability to really hit.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 11, 2018 22:45:52 GMT -5
Clinch night shot at the roster (my next iteration)
Starter Locks - Sale, Porcello, Price (3) Pen Locks - Kimbrel, Eovaldi, Brasier, Kelly, Wright (5) Remaining 3 (if 11 pitchers) or 4 (if 12) - ERod, Barnes (if he is healthy), Poyner, Workman. If Barnes can't go, Hembree if we go with 12.
Left off Johnson, Velazquez, Thornburg, Pomeranz, Cuevas, Scott
Offense Locks - Moreland, Kinsler, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Betts, Bradley, JDM, Nunez, Holt, Pearce, Swihart, Leon (12) - leaves 2 if we go with 11 pitchers, 1 if 12. Remaining 1 or 2 - Devers, Vazquez.
Left off - Lin, Phillips, Travis
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Post by telson13 on Sept 11, 2018 22:52:30 GMT -5
That’s a good question I’m too lazy to look up. I thought he was on the 40 but not recalled. But if you’re right and he wasn’t added, I think the old rule was that the player simply had to be in the organization? That’s what happened with Price on the Rays and Francisco Rodriguez when he debuted with the Angels. Brandon Phillips was eligible regardless. You have to be in the organization by 8/31. Phillips has been in the organization since June, I think, but obviously well before 9/1, so he's eligible. Yeah, I couldn’t remember if they changed the “in the org” rule. I’m so lazy sometimes, it would’ve been so easy to look up.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 12, 2018 7:47:23 GMT -5
Brandon Phillips was eligible regardless. You have to be in the organization by 8/31. Phillips has been in the organization since June, I think, but obviously well before 9/1, so he's eligible. Yeah, I couldn’t remember if they changed the “in the org” rule. I’m so lazy sometimes, it would’ve been so easy to look up. What's kinda funny is that MLB didn't really change the rule in execution, they just codified the workaround that everyone used anyway. But I always remember that there was a rule change which makes me think there's some new rule in place so I'm always going back like "wait, what did they change?" Basically the rule that got Francisco Rodriguez onto the 2002 Angels is on the up-and-up now.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 12, 2018 9:24:08 GMT -5
Speaking of rules, the Red Sox and Yankees are both completely pissed about the Donaldson trade, since you cannot put a player on waivers that is hurt, which Donaldson obviously was.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 12, 2018 13:16:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I couldn’t remember if they changed the “in the org” rule. I’m so lazy sometimes, it would’ve been so easy to look up. What's kinda funny is that MLB didn't really change the rule in execution, they just codified the workaround that everyone used anyway. But I always remember that there was a rule change which makes me think there's some new rule in place so I'm always going back like "wait, what did they change?" Basically the rule that got Francisco Rodriguez onto the 2002 Angels is on the up-and-up now. Did they officially get rid of the 60-day DL thing? I couldn't remember.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 12, 2018 13:57:32 GMT -5
So the rule before 2014 was that a player had to be on the 25-man roster or currently on the DL to be on the postseason roster, but anybody within the organization could be added if a player on that 8/31 25-man went on the DL. If I remember, it didn't even need to be the 60-day DL, just the old-timey 15-day DL did the trick. Now, everyone on the 40-man roster is eligible eliminating those 8/31 transaction games where an extra pitcher is sent down for an extra position player and then recalled ASAP: see 2005 for Youkilis getting recalled for Delcarmen and then Delcarmen coming back up on 9/6 - now they could just call up Youkilis on 9/1 and he'd still be eligible without a DL maneuver since he was already on the 40-man. But a player needs to be put on the 60-day to open an eligible roster spot. I think there are restrictions on activating players from the 60-day DL in the postseason, but I can't find them and it's possible that I made them up in my head.
Before the rule change, adding a player that way was considered a loophole--now I believe it's explicitly spelled out as being okay.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 12, 2018 23:36:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I couldn’t remember if they changed the “in the org” rule. I’m so lazy sometimes, it would’ve been so easy to look up. What's kinda funny is that MLB didn't really change the rule in execution, they just codified the workaround that everyone used anyway. But I always remember that there was a rule change which makes me think there's some new rule in place so I'm always going back like "wait, what did they change?" Basically the rule that got Francisco Rodriguez onto the 2002 Angels is on the up-and-up now. Good way to put it. Rodriguez was the first guy I thought of in my original response. I remember it being viewed as a gaming of the system, but it wasn’t prohibited, so...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 13, 2018 15:37:22 GMT -5
I thought this was interesting. Might be why they're effective.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 13, 2018 16:28:55 GMT -5
I thought this was interesting. Might be why they're effective. Looks like a lot of hitters against Braiser thought they were playing golf. That is a ton of swings at pitches just about in the dirt.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 13, 2018 16:55:12 GMT -5
The bench for the ALDS should be 5, since you don't need an 8 man pen when there are off days between both games 2 and 3, and 4 and 5.
Let's start with Nunez, and throw out his numbers from this year before July 27 when he started looking like he was healthy and himself (pretty much a year after he arrived here). Combine them with what he did last year for us. The sample sizes in the splits are small, but they make perfect sense:
Home vs RHP: 139 wRC+ (136 last year, 142 this year) Home vs. LHP: 145 Away vs. RHP: 89 Away vs. LHP: 99
I had no use for the guy unless he was a perfect fit for the park, which appears to be the case. They knew something we didn't, which we always like to see.
These four splits for Devers over his career: 80, 141 (!, in 81 PA), 100, 69.
You want Nunez to play all of the home games, while you platoon them on the road. I don't see that likely to change based on their performance the rest of the way or in the post-season.
With Pearce (or Moreland) and Holt, that gets you down to two spots for Vazquez, Swihart, Lin, and Phillips. The question is, who will actually be most useful, and that depends on who starts at 1B, how certain guys you might pinch-hit for are faring, and what the platoon splits of the opposing bullpen are. I'll look at that next.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 13, 2018 20:38:00 GMT -5
Clinch night shot at the roster (my next iteration) Starter Locks - Sale, Porcello, Price (3) Pen Locks - Kimbrel, Eovaldi, Brasier, Kelly, Wright (5) Remaining 3 (if 11 pitchers) or 4 (if 12) - ERod, Barnes (if he is healthy), Poyner, Workman. If Barnes can't go, Hembree if we go with 12. Left off Johnson, Velazquez, Thornburg, Pomeranz, Cuevas, Scott Offense Locks - Moreland, Kinsler, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Betts, Bradley, JDM, Nunez, Holt, Pearce, Swihart, Leon (12) - leaves 2 if we go with 11 pitchers, 1 if 12. Remaining 1 or 2 - Devers, Vazquez. Left off - Lin, Phillips, Travis Suggest you may want to reconsider Kelly as a pen lock.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 13, 2018 21:03:48 GMT -5
Nunez out with knee soreness at the end of the year too. He's no lock either and could open the door for Phillips to make the roster.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 13, 2018 21:08:27 GMT -5
So your 4 locks for the bullpen are Eovaldi, Kimbrel, Brasier, and Wright.
You have 3 spots open and I have no clue beyond that who has a chance to not stink enough to make the roster.
My guess is that Workman and Poyner make 2 of those spots.
Your guess is as good as mine for the last 3 spots in the bullpen outside of the 4 locks in the bullpen and the 4 locks in the rotation.
Edit- If I had to make a final guess it'd be-
Kimbrel, Brasier, Barnes, Wright, Eovaldi, Poyner, and Workman in the bullpen.
Hembree and Kelly just walk too many batters and are way too unpredictable imo.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 13, 2018 23:04:46 GMT -5
I would hope that the meltdowns Kelly has experienced would remove him from serious consideration from the post-season bullpen.
If they go with 7 and Barnes is healthy, I'd think they'd go with Kimbrel, Barnes, Brasier, Eovaldi, Wright, Hembree, and Workman.
I'd think Workman's solid performances and increased velocity and positive post-season experience would earn him a spot.
Wright offers a completely different look to the hard throwers in the pen and he can go multiple innings if need be.
I know a lot of people here don't want Hembree on the roster, but he's been Cora's go-to guy when they have dirty innings and I can see Hembree being used that way in the 6th or 7th innings.
If Barnes is hurt, then I can see Poyner being given a chance. I don't think the Sox think that they have to have a lefty and Poyner really isn't a LOOGY, but I simply think he's the next best option if there's a spot. After Poyner, the pecking order would go Kelly, Thornburg, Johnson, and then Velazquez.
After watching the Sox struggle mightily in the 8th ahead of Kimbrel in Barnes' absence, all I can say is I hope he comes back and if he does, I hope he's completely healthy. They need him. If he is completely healthy, perhaps the rest will do him some good and keep him fresh for the post-season.
If Nunez is hurt then that is the reprieve that Devers would need and the chance that Phillips gets to make the roster.
Otherwise, I'd expect the 5 man bench to be Swihart, Pearce, Holt, Devers (if Nunez is healthy), and Vazquez. That's what I think Cora ultimately chooses.
I'd prefer Vazquez to be left off, Swihart to be the alternate catcher and pinch-hitter/replacement for Leon if the Sox are behind, and I like Phillips as a secondary RH bat off the bench. Like if a lefty starts and Pearce is in the lineup, it's good to have Phillips on the bench even if Nunez is starting at 3b because if a lefty comes in after a righty reliever, you still have Phillips as a pinch-hitting threat against lefties. And at this point I really don't see what Vazquez adds to the team.
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Post by jmei on Sept 14, 2018 14:08:55 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of discussion about the bullpen that was not related to the postseason roster to the 2018 bullpen options thread.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 14, 2018 18:32:40 GMT -5
Peter Abraham The Red Sox have three weeks to put together their postseason roster. Here is my projection for the team they will take into the American League Division Series: * Rotation (4): LHP Chris Sale, LHP David Price, RHP Rick Porcello, LHP Eduardo Rodriguez. Explanation: The Sox would need only four starters in the best-of-five Division Series. These four are clearly the top choices. * Bullpen (8): RHP Craig Kimbrel, RHP Matt Barnes, RHP Heath Hembree, RHP Ryan Brasier, RHP Steven Wright, LHP Brian Johnson, RHP Brandon Workman, RHP Nathan Eovaldi. Explanation: The question comes down to keeping Workman, or Joe Kelly. Kelly has held lefty hitters to a .202 batting average and .572 OPS, which plays in his favor. But he has not pitched well since June 1. The postseason requires trustworthiness and with Kelly there’s too much of a chance he’ll be wild. Drew Pomeranz pitched himself off the postseason roster. The same is largely true of Hector Velazquez. Tyler Thornburg never turned a corner once he returned from the disabled list. Again, it remains a mystery why the Red Sox did not sign or trade for at least a league-average lefthanded reliever at some point in the last 10 months. That negligence could cost them. * Lineup (9): Mookie Betts RF, Andrew Benintendi LF, J.D. Martinez DH, Xander Bogaerts SS, Mitch Moreland 1B, Eduardo Nunez 3B, Ian Kinsler 2B, Sandy Leon C, Jackie Bradley Jr. (CF). Explanation: This has been the standard lineup for a few months now with Steve Pearce starting against a lefthander. There’s no reason to expect that to change. * Bench (4): Steve Pearce 1B-DH, Brock Holt UTIL, Blake Swihart UTIL, Christian Vazquez C. Explanation: That Rafael Devers has fallen out of favor has been obvious for a few weeks now. As a bench player, his only quality would be the chance of a home run. He offers no value defensively or as a pinch runner. Keeping a third catcher makes sense with the likelihood of pinch hitting for Leon late in games. No contrarian click-bait nonsense here, just calling it the way it makes sense based on covering the team and watching how Alex Cora has handled the lineups in recent weeks. So what do you think? What changes would you make? www.facebook.com/
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