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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2018 8:53:41 GMT -5
Exactly... plus the winner take all elimination game is the best thing to watch in sports and you’ve created 2 of them every year in baseball. Those games get great ratings and typically provide great theater. Don’t need to water that down. Baltimore can beat us in one game about 30% of the time. That's just dumb. Baseball is the only sport where the dominant team doesn't win all that often compared to other sports. Would everyone be arguing with me if the Red Sox were winning 100 games and then lost to an 83 win Rays team in the WC game because they strung 8 ground ball hits in a row and the Red Sox hit line drives right at people all game? The way I look at it is, you didn’t earn a playoff spot over the 162 games but you were lucky enough to be given one more shot at it. Win your division. One game makes everything more meaningful.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 14, 2018 10:06:17 GMT -5
Baltimore can beat us in one game about 30% of the time. That's just dumb. Baseball is the only sport where the dominant team doesn't win all that often compared to other sports. Would everyone be arguing with me if the Red Sox were winning 100 games and then lost to an 83 win Rays team in the WC game because they strung 8 ground ball hits in a row and the Red Sox hit line drives right at people all game? The way I look at it is, you didn’t earn a playoff spot over the 162 games but you were lucky enough to be given one more shot at it. Win your division. One game makes everything more meaningful. Tell it to the 100 win Yankees who don't get the benefit of playing in the AL Central where they'd probably win the division by 25 games. They also would have won every division in the NL. 162 games is approximately 162 times more meaningful than 1 game.
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Post by manfred on Sept 14, 2018 10:28:46 GMT -5
The way I look at it is, you didn’t earn a playoff spot over the 162 games but you were lucky enough to be given one more shot at it. Win your division. One game makes everything more meaningful. Tell it to the 100 win Yankees who don't get the benefit of playing in the AL Central where they'd probably win the division by 25 games. They also would have won every division in the NL. 162 games is approximately 162 times more meaningful than 1 game. Do the Yankees have to move to a smaller market? There are economic reasons the East tends to be better. I don’t hear a lot of talk about the Twins signing Bryce Harper to a $300-million contract. Point is.... that is the nature of the beast. It was worse when it was just East/West. I think saying you get one last one game chance is cool, and it actually evens the odds for the wildcard team that comes from a smaller market — maybe you have a homegrown ace or whatever. I guess in the scenario of the 85-win team beating the 100-win team I say — fun! (Unless I am the 100-win team, but then I’d be a bit biased, after all). And... please god not MORE games!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 14, 2018 11:04:03 GMT -5
The way I look at it is, you didn’t earn a playoff spot over the 162 games but you were lucky enough to be given one more shot at it. Win your division. One game makes everything more meaningful. Tell it to the 100 win Yankees who don't get the benefit of playing in the AL Central where they'd probably win the division by 25 games. They also would have won every division in the NL. 162 games is approximately 162 times more meaningful than 1 game. Ok I think your.points are solid, but I think the salient point your missing is that playoffs are a reset. By that I mean, they are separate from the regular season, whose sole function is to set up the playoffs. The records reset, the stats reset, roster construction / availablity resets.....it is a whole new ball game, and everyone knows the rules before it starts. Personally, I don't view it fair or unfair.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 14, 2018 11:17:20 GMT -5
The way I look at it is, you didn’t earn a playoff spot over the 162 games but you were lucky enough to be given one more shot at it. Win your division. One game makes everything more meaningful. Tell it to the 100 win Yankees who don't get the benefit of playing in the AL Central where they'd probably win the division by 25 games. They also would have won every division in the NL. 162 games is approximately 162 times more meaningful than 1 game. The Yankees might not even have the best record of the 2 wildcard teams and Cleveland could end up with the 6th or 7th best record in the AL. It is what it is just like when a NFL team makes the playoffs with a 500 record. Their will be anomalies but overall the system works pretty good. My question would be should they reseed teams going in, like should the Sox being playing Cleveland? Best vs worst based on record.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2018 11:50:32 GMT -5
The way I look at it is, you didn’t earn a playoff spot over the 162 games but you were lucky enough to be given one more shot at it. Win your division. One game makes everything more meaningful. Tell it to the 100 win Yankees who don't get the benefit of playing in the AL Central where they'd probably win the division by 25 games. They also would have won every division in the NL. 162 games is approximately 162 times more meaningful than 1 game. Awww poor Yankees; they couldn’t win their division. Just do away with divisions then and unbalanced schedules and have one big league.
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Post by huskies15 on Sept 14, 2018 11:57:34 GMT -5
^Strong agree with rjp313jr
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Post by manfred on Sept 14, 2018 15:11:27 GMT -5
Tell it to the 100 win Yankees who don't get the benefit of playing in the AL Central where they'd probably win the division by 25 games. They also would have won every division in the NL. 162 games is approximately 162 times more meaningful than 1 game. Awww poor Yankees; they couldn’t win their division. Just do away with divisions then and unbalanced schedules and have one big league. Naw... too much travel, for one thing. Plus, while not what they once were, regional rivalries are fun. I am happy to have more Sox-Yanks games than Sox-Twins. And... the lack of balance between divisions is not a bad thing. Teams like the Twins, the Royals, Brewers, Pirates etc. make periodic pushes in part because they play in weaker divisions. If everything was lumped together, most fanbases could give up very early. Last thing: the wildcard is good for the best teams. If the Yanks were only a few out, the Sox would be glad to have them playing trams that still had a reason to play hard. It keeps more games meaningful longer. So, sure, some good teams may get stuck in a one-and-done, but that is tough luck.
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Post by rafael on Sept 14, 2018 15:45:03 GMT -5
Crazy idea: The season should end on a Thursday followed by a three game series for the Wild Card with a doubleheader on Saturday (26 players for each team) and the deciding game on Sunday. The Division Series would start on Tuesday
The excitement would still be there as for the #1 WC team you'd need to sweep the doubleheader at home or face elimination in a game in the road. For the #2 WC team you'd need to at least steal one of the games of the doubleheader to decide at home
It would also give a huge advantage to the best team in the league, as they would play a team that is very tired. Imagine the Yankees having to travel to Oakland after a doubleheader and whoever wins then returning to Boston to play on Tuesday. Also, the WC team would have to start their third or fourth starter in Game 1 of the DS.
Finally, all division winners would be able to reset their rotations for the postseason, because of the 4 day rest.
The idea is probably too insane though.
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Post by gerry on Sept 14, 2018 15:58:06 GMT -5
Crazy idea: The season should end on a Thursday followed by a three game series for the Wild Card with a doubleheader on Saturday (26 players for each team) and the deciding game on Sunday. The Division Series would start on Tuesday The excitement would still be there as for the #1 WC team you'd need to sweep the doubleheader at home or face elimination in a game in the road. For the #2 WC team you'd need to at least steal one of the games of the doubleheader to decide at home It would also give a huge advantage to the best team in the league, as they would play a team that is very tired. Imagine the Yankees having to travel to Oakland after a doubleheader and whoever wins then returning to Boston to play on Tuesday. Also, the WC team would have to start their third or fourth starter in Game 1 of the DS. Finally, all division winners would be able to reset their rotations for the postseason, because of the 4 day rest. The idea is probably too insane though. Crazy, but it resolves the unbaseball-like one game issue, increases fan excitement and extends that excitement over a three day weekend sports news cycle (Fri-Sun), makes more $$$ for all involved and, with four days of rest, preparation and marketing for all 6 Division winners, should create a better played, better watched WS. I like it.
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Post by michael on Sept 14, 2018 16:57:29 GMT -5
As for division winners setting their rotations, the ALW may have a contest until the end. The Sox and Indians are safe and will certainly do as you stated.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2018 17:59:38 GMT -5
You’re going to have a scheduled doubleheader in the playoffs when they won’t even do that in the regular season? Cmon now... and no, fans don’t want to have to watch 7-10 hours of baseball in a Saturday in early October.
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Post by jchang on Sept 14, 2018 18:13:03 GMT -5
I would let the 3 game wc go with the September 40 man roster, this way, they are less stressed out with the 3 extra games in relation to the div winner
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Post by manfred on Sept 14, 2018 20:26:30 GMT -5
As for division winners setting their rotations, the ALW may have a contest until the end. The Sox and Indians are safe and will certainly do as you stated. The race I’m excited by s the NL Central. Would love to see the Brewers catch the Cubs.
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Post by station13 on Sept 14, 2018 20:27:26 GMT -5
Devers needs to stop hitting so many groundballs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 15, 2018 21:24:24 GMT -5
I'll put this here since we were talking huricanes and I don't want to clog the Mets thread. This was the first test of the new disaster command center. (Even as a mayor, Duterte was always way ahead of the curve. When the Tacloban typhoon hit (Yolanda), Davao was the first to donate untethered money for immediate relief and the amount he donated was greater than the amount given by the national government. He was on the ground the day after). The typhoon went further south than anticipated and held category 4. Lot's of water and wind damage to the lowlands but few lives lost since upwards of 800,000 people were evacuated. Temporary shelters, troops, supplies and heavy equipment was brought in prior to the storm hitting and local command centers set up with his entire cabinet coordinating at the actual centers. Last I saw, only three deaths so far but I'm sure that will grow. LOL. I'm guessing illegal but nobody cares here (even his opposition) but Duterte ordered the distribution of $6m of rice which was recently confiscated as smuggled. The courts have yet to hear the case. LOL2. He also warned the city mayors (power position in the Philippines) that he would prosecute any city mayor that abandoned his post during the typhoon for dereliction of duty. He said that when he deployed his cabinet. ADD: The typhoon has left but we still have monsoon rains up north. It's on a collision course with Hong Kong. I have a college friend that got extremely lucky. He was on his way to Clark via Hong Kong. His flight which was diverted to Manila was the last flight not cancelled to northern Philippines. In Davao we had normal weather, just a touch cooler. ADD, interesting read on disaster preparedness: www.manilatimes.net/preparations-for-ompong-a-model-in-disaster-response/441927/
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Post by telson13 on Sept 15, 2018 23:31:03 GMT -5
In fairness, it doesn’t really decide the season...the 162 games are there to give a team the opportunity to avoid the WC. I agree that it’s kind of brutal, but there could be 1 WC or 32 teams, and no WCs. I think it’s a reasonable solution to the 3-division leagues. Exactly... plus the winner take all elimination game is the best thing to watch in sports and you’ve created 2 of them every year in baseball. Those games get great ratings and typically provide great theater. Don’t need to water that down. Yeah, that’s a great point about the winner-take-all theatre aspect of the WC. Those really are exciting games, and I like that...well, I’m grateful for the Sox’s 2004, but...idk, it WAS unfair to have the WC face essentially no penalty. Like i said, it’s brutal, but like you said: it’s the brutality that makes those such fantastic games. From all I’ve seen so far, the approach to WC games in terms of management is like absolutely nothing else in baseball. I think it’s a great addition to the season. Especially since the Sox aren’t going to get screwed by it this year 🤪
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Post by telson13 on Sept 15, 2018 23:33:20 GMT -5
Tell it to the 100 win Yankees who don't get the benefit of playing in the AL Central where they'd probably win the division by 25 games. They also would have won every division in the NL. 162 games is approximately 162 times more meaningful than 1 game. The Yankees might not even have the best record of the 2 wildcard teams and Cleveland could end up with the 6th or 7th best record in the AL. It is what it is just like when a NFL team makes the playoffs with a 500 record. Their will be anomalies but overall the system works pretty good. My question would be should they reseed teams going in, like should the Sox being playing Cleveland? Best vs worst based on record. The reseed on record point is a fantastic one to debate.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 16, 2018 3:32:04 GMT -5
This is why I mentioned troops on the ground, the military is an integral part of disaster response. Sadly, the death toll has risen to 29, more than hoped for but less than expected. Now that it has left the Philippines area of responsibility it is back to being classified as a super typhoon, a designation that doesn't exist here. I believe (but might be wrong, I don't think in terms of international designations) the numbers are sustained winds greater than 200 kph and gusts greater than 300 kph.
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Post by gerry on Sept 16, 2018 3:37:20 GMT -5
Our prayers and thoughts are with the people and those who risk their lives to keep them safe.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 16, 2018 3:47:26 GMT -5
Our prayers and thoughts are with the people and those who risk their lives to keep them safe. Thank you, pray for China and Hong Kong, it's expected to be the biggest typhoon in Hong Kong's recorded history. It should make landfall in the next 8 hours. ADD: At least two of the deaths were rescuers that got caught in a landslide.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 16, 2018 4:07:28 GMT -5
The 2013 typhoon that hit the city of Tacloban had a profound effect on the entire country. About 10,000 confirmed bodies and 22,000 missing. The ocean surge was enough to move a large cargo ship 5 blocks into the city. Nobody was evacuated.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 17, 2018 11:19:12 GMT -5
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