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9/11-9/13 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 11, 2018 22:17:57 GMT -5
Tomorrow we get 100 (wins).....tonight we get 9 (magic number)......and in October we get 4 (World Series wins we were born - betting no members are 100 years old) With 17 games left, we can't play exactly .500 ball, and if we do better at 9-8, which is a low bar, we tie for the 3rd best record of the DH era.
As I will point out continuously from here on in, going 10-7 means we top both the 108-win '75 Reds and '86 Mets, which has to be a good omen.
Meanwhile, since mid-June the Yankees will be 45-34, while the A's are 54-21. They've gained 1 game per 7 played and, once the MFY's lose, they'll be 2.0 back for home field with 17 left. Yankees should have the tiebreaker; they're 34-26 in the East while the A's are 33-34 against the West.
The schedules compared:
Yankees play home and home series against us, while A's have them against the Angels. Yankees play 3 at home vs. the Jays, while the A's are on the road against the Mariners. Each team has 3 in Tampa. Each has 2 against the O's (Yanks at home, A's on the road) and 1 against the Twins (the opposite).
Yanks have a 4th game in Tampa and a 3rd game vs. the O's, while the A's have 2 more vs. the Twins.
The big difference here is the home and away series; if the Yanks lose home field, it'll probably be because we beat them up.
While the A's have been great, with Manaea out their starting pitching is thin, so it would be nice to see them use the top of their rotation to not just win the W/C game but to try to grab home field for it.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 11, 2018 22:20:51 GMT -5
Da Yankees lose! Magic number 9!
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Post by patford on Sept 11, 2018 22:24:53 GMT -5
Da Yankees lose! Magic number 9! Cue the David Ortiz clip. It never gets old.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 11, 2018 22:32:02 GMT -5
The story of our season, and Cora - in a - well, somewhat - meaningless game where our bats started out sleepy, Cora used 20 players, including 8 pitchers. He sent up Moreland, called him back, sent up Holt (better numbers against the pitcher) and we had the bomb. Mookie showed aggressive base running that paid off. Sale is easing back in and did what he needed. Eovaldi did well - the bad throw to home made the numbers worse than reality (hit 100 several times on the gun). Nice innings from Workman, Brasier, and (cough cough) Hembree - and some big outs by Poyner, Velazquez and Kelly.
Huge hits by Pearce and Benny.
So this somewhat sleeper of a game had essentially all great stories coming out of it - and we clinched, and the MFY lost, and we are within single digits in the magic number. Impressive!
I am guessing 112 wins when all is said and done.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 11, 2018 22:37:11 GMT -5
Da Yankees lose! Magic number 9! Gregorius's 1-out slam in the 6th had made it a ball game. Thereafter:
K, K; 8, L7, P3; 5-3, P6, 1-3; 1-3, K, K.
6 of 11 outs using no other players but the 1B, and two balls hit of the infield. Unfortunately for the Yankees, there was no one around to rub their tummy after they rolled over.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 11, 2018 22:58:01 GMT -5
Yay for 68 mph singles that score runs. This is the Eovaldi Special. Weak hits out of relatively good pitches. The Eovaldi Special Deluxe happens when that comes with 2 strikes. The Eovaldi Shopper's Club Card comes in the mail when it happens over the course of eight seasons. I understand how people want to talk themselves into him, because the peak stuff is legit. But he's what he's always been, a high-risk guy with great stuff and peripherals who hasn't put it together for a period of sustained success.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 11, 2018 23:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 11, 2018 23:38:58 GMT -5
The Eovaldi Shopper's Club Card comes in the mail when it happens over the course of eight seasons. I understand how people want to talk themselves into him, because the peak stuff is legit. But he's what he's always been, a high-risk guy with great stuff and peripherals who hasn't put it together for a period of sustained success. I absolutely understand this, but I'm irrational when it comes to pitchers with great stuff but bad results. I can't get over it, it's a siren song. Guys like Kelly and Eovaldi would get as many chances as possible if I was the GM and I'd be a terrible GM, but damn it one day they HAVE to pull it off. It makes me so blind I even ignore injury risk. Like when are we trading for Michael Wacha or Zack Wheeler? I'm that guy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 11, 2018 23:59:50 GMT -5
I guess 9s are the order of the day.
Double 9s for the Red Sox win total as 99 wins are the most wins I've ever seen in a season dating back to 1980. I'm sure plenty remember being disappointed with the 99 win season in 1978. This is certainly different.
And the magic number is down to 9 while the division lead is up to 9 because miracle of miracles, the Twins actually defeated the Yankees - yes, Sonny Gray is THAT bad that he could actually lose to the Twins while wearing a Yankee uniform.
Somewhere number 9 is in heaven smiling down at his Red Sox.
He certainly would have loved that pinch-hit shot by Holt.
I had to laugh because when Cora was interviewed about almost letting Moreland hit instead he admitted that the "game sped up" on him too much, something you never hear a manager admit.
And more interestingly enough, he didn't pinch-hit Holt because of his excellent numbers against Tepera, but more because he was scared that if Moreland pinch-hit, the Jays would definitely go to a lefty and he really wanted no part of Moreland facing a lefty and he didn't want to have to PH for Moreland.
So his plan was to PH Holt against Tepera because if the Jays went to a lefty he could still counter with Brandon Phillips. No mention of Holt's 11 AB sample size off of Tepera where he had 5 hits including some extra base hits.
It worked out very swimmingly. As it is, Holt is the Sox best LH PH option off the bench (not sure Devers would handle PH as well) as well as a guy who can play just about every position. There's no way he doesn't make the post-season roster and he deserves to make it.
Just hope Sale feels good in a few days and can build off his outing today.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 12, 2018 0:15:32 GMT -5
The Eovaldi Shopper's Club Card comes in the mail when it happens over the course of eight seasons. I understand how people want to talk themselves into him, because the peak stuff is legit. But he's what he's always been, a high-risk guy with great stuff and peripherals who hasn't put it together for a period of sustained success. I absolutely understand this, but I'm irrational when it comes to pitchers with great stuff but bad results. I can't get over it, it's a siren song. Guys like Kelly and Eovaldi would get as many chances as possible if I was the GM and I'd be a terrible GM, but damn it one day they HAVE to pull it off. It makes me so blind I even ignore injury risk. Like when are we trading for Michael Wacha or Zack Wheeler? I'm that guy. Well, at least unlike Joe Kelly, Eovaldi tends to provide okay long-term value. If he was signed for 2019 I'd be cool with it. He's just... you don't rent that guy. And I'd be a terrible GM because I'd do the Ruben Amaro thing where I'd be convinced my players would be great forever and just sign my whole team which is currently good to long-term contracts until they are all 38. I'm the opposite of Bill Belichick. I get attached to everyone.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 12, 2018 0:41:18 GMT -5
The Eovaldi Shopper's Club Card comes in the mail when it happens over the course of eight seasons. I understand how people want to talk themselves into him, because the peak stuff is legit. But he's what he's always been, a high-risk guy with great stuff and peripherals who hasn't put it together for a period of sustained success. I absolutely understand this, but I'm irrational when it comes to pitchers with great stuff but bad results. I can't get over it, it's a siren song. Guys like Kelly and Eovaldi would get as many chances as possible if I was the GM and I'd be a terrible GM, but damn it one day they HAVE to pull it off. It makes me so blind I even ignore injury risk. Like when are we trading for Michael Wacha or Zack Wheeler? I'm that guy. FWIW I really like Wheeler, too. He *does* miss bats, and he has a complete arsenal with five (count ‘em, five) pitches. The FB, SL, and CB are all plus to plus-plus (I’d call the FB a 65 or even 70, the SL/CB 55-60), and a serviceable CH (45-50) with the addition of a SF this year. When healthy, he’s been a 2. I think he could Carrasco and become a 1a or even a 1 if his health permits. Wacha has a terrific CH and a very nice cutter, but his FB is hittable and his velo is very up-and-down. I’m a big proponent of acquiring Wheeler if the price isn’t too high, and trying to extend him for 3 years. It’s the Mets, who are rife with holes, poorly managed, and who need to eke out some offense with Wright and Céspedes both a mess. Conforto, Nimmo, Thor, and deGrom represent a solid core, with Rosario showing signs of life, and Matz as a solid 3 in Wheeler’s absence. A nearly MLB-ready bat like Chavis might be pretty attractive if he were packaged with some additional talent (a guy like Shawaryn would benefit from the NL and Citi; moving Porcello might also get a return to sweeten the pot).
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Post by rivenp on Sept 12, 2018 3:08:05 GMT -5
I absolutely understand this, but I'm irrational when it comes to pitchers with great stuff but bad results. I can't get over it, it's a siren song. Guys like Kelly and Eovaldi would get as many chances as possible if I was the GM and I'd be a terrible GM, but damn it one day they HAVE to pull it off. It makes me so blind I even ignore injury risk. Like when are we trading for Michael Wacha or Zack Wheeler? I'm that guy. FWIW I really like Wheeler, too. He *does* miss bats, and he has a complete arsenal with five (count ‘em, five) pitches. The FB, SL, and CB are all plus to plus-plus (I’d call the FB a 65 or even 70, the SL/CB 55-60), and a serviceable CH (45-50) with the addition of a SF this year. When healthy, he’s been a 2. I think he could Carrasco and become a 1a or even a 1 if his health permits. Wacha has a terrific CH and a very nice cutter, but his FB is hittable and his velo is very up-and-down. I’m a big proponent of acquiring Wheeler if the price isn’t too high, and trying to extend him for 3 years. It’s the Mets, who are rife with holes, poorly managed, and who need to eke out some offense with Wright and Céspedes both a mess. Conforto, Nimmo, Thor, and deGrom represent a solid core, with Rosario showing signs of life, and Matz as a solid 3 in Wheeler’s absence. A nearly MLB-ready bat like Chavis might be pretty attractive if he were packaged with some additional talent (a guy like Shawaryn would benefit from the NL and Citi; moving Porcello might also get a return to sweeten the pot). problem with wheeler is everything comes with a "when healthy" asterisk (currently nursing another injury)...he's had just two full seasons (in 5 years) and i think is actually only 1 year younger than porcello, who at least you know will most likely give you ~30 starts and ~200 innings...that carries its own value. i would trade straight across, but only because of the contracts of each.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 12, 2018 3:11:53 GMT -5
Everyone in the Southest, keep your heads low.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 12, 2018 5:46:08 GMT -5
In how many games? So we now play 162. The 104 was in 154, right? Let's compare apples and apples here.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 12, 2018 9:02:33 GMT -5
In how many games? So we now play 162. The 104 was in 154, right? Let's compare apples and apples here. Is this going to be like comparing Roger Maris' 1961 HR total * to Babe Ruth's 1927 HR total? The Sox played 151 games when they won 101 in 1915, good for a .669 percentage. This year's team should be that. The Sox played 154 games when they won 104 in 1946, good for a .675 percentage. This year's team is ahead of that pace slightly for now. The Sox played 152 games when they won 105 in 1012, good for a .691 percentage. This year's team is unlikely to match that unless they win 6 of 7. Not impossible, but not easy to do. Ultimately, I don't expect this team to top the .691 winning percentage they had in 1912. They'd have to go 112-50, which would be a slightly higher .691 winning percentage, by virtue of winning 7 of the extra 10 games. Even winning 111 is kind of tough, but that would be cool, because the Sox would finish 60 games over .500 (.685 winning pct), something they've never done. The 1912 team was 58 games over. My guess is that the Sox wind up around 108 or 109 wins as players continue to receive rest and they do play NY and Cleveland for 9 games, although the Indians have nothing to play for and will be resting their players, too. Either way, when you're talking ridiculous figures like this, you know you've had an amazing regular season.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 12, 2018 9:21:53 GMT -5
Everyone in the Southest, keep your heads low. Thanks...watching this one very carefully...it seems to be trending more south from where I live - but that's not good for those who thought they were more safe. No good outcomes for this big storm.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 12, 2018 11:10:01 GMT -5
Everyone in the Southest, keep your heads low. Thanks...watching this one very carefully...it seems to be trending more south from where I live - but that's not good for those who thought they were more safe. No good outcomes for this big storm. We're watching a super typhoon here but fortunately it is likely to go through low density farm land far north of us. I will likely only see small rain. It apparently mostly missed Guam, a US territory. I haven't seen any reports of major damage there. www.postguam.com/news/local/we-dodged-the-big-one/article_98aa9bee-b4ac-11e8-9a59-63670f03b42a.html
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 12, 2018 12:09:09 GMT -5
FWIW I really like Wheeler, too. He *does* miss bats, and he has a complete arsenal with five (count ‘em, five) pitches. The FB, SL, and CB are all plus to plus-plus (I’d call the FB a 65 or even 70, the SL/CB 55-60), and a serviceable CH (45-50) with the addition of a SF this year. When healthy, he’s been a 2. I think he could Carrasco and become a 1a or even a 1 if his health permits. Wacha has a terrific CH and a very nice cutter, but his FB is hittable and his velo is very up-and-down. I’m a big proponent of acquiring Wheeler if the price isn’t too high, and trying to extend him for 3 years. It’s the Mets, who are rife with holes, poorly managed, and who need to eke out some offense with Wright and Céspedes both a mess. Conforto, Nimmo, Thor, and deGrom represent a solid core, with Rosario showing signs of life, and Matz as a solid 3 in Wheeler’s absence. A nearly MLB-ready bat like Chavis might be pretty attractive if he were packaged with some additional talent (a guy like Shawaryn would benefit from the NL and Citi; moving Porcello might also get a return to sweeten the pot). Yep, I've been a huge fan of Wheeler since he was a prospect with the Giants. That stuff is too good, his fastball is felonious and his slider is also incredible for a second pitch. That's videogame stuff. I think you're underrating Wacha a bit, his mix of cutter and change is amazing and his fastball isn't that bad once you realize it's like the Steven Wright fastball, it's supposed to confuse fools. He also throws a curve that used to move like crazy. I think with both of these guys it's how the pitches move that get me. I'm not sure if Dombo is thinking starter this off-season, but man those are some names I'd love to see.
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Post by MLBDreams on Sept 12, 2018 12:43:03 GMT -5
I'm RS fan since 1976 and always look forward to see them getting win #100 anytime. Hope it's tonight game. I waited too long for that after seen the 1978 RS team won 99 games as I was broken heart by one game playoffs loss vs NYY. I personally like to see the current RS to break the record for most win (at least 105) season as Red Sox history. They can do it!
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 12, 2018 14:00:14 GMT -5
Everyone in the Southest, keep your heads low. Thanks...watching this one very carefully...it seems to be trending more south from where I live - but that's not good for those who thought they were more safe. No good outcomes for this big storm. In any event, I think my tomatoes will be done after this storm. Way too much rain and the wind. Pretty close to done anyway.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 12, 2018 14:58:30 GMT -5
Thanks...watching this one very carefully...it seems to be trending more south from where I live - but that's not good for those who thought they were more safe. No good outcomes for this big storm. In any event, I think my tomatoes will be done after this storm. Way too much rain and the wind. Pretty close to done anyway. Mine are done. I've got seeds planted for fall things - mustard, chard, spinach, lettuce beets - and some micro dwarf tomatoes (foot tall, for small containers, cherry sized). Also have second seeding of squash, cukes, beans growing well. I think that this storm has some surprises remaining - the track changes have been pretty extreme and it is still pretty far away, and over really warm water. But - Red Sox tonight!
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 12, 2018 15:43:02 GMT -5
Stay safe you guys. And let's rock that 100th W tonight like legends.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 12, 2018 18:08:16 GMT -5
getting pumped to see 100 wins, something we are all excited to see. Interesting that Price has a chance to lead the way, particularly with his confirming he isn't going to opt-out. We are stuck with him....through the.......Good times / Bad times
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Post by Guidas on Sept 12, 2018 18:51:03 GMT -5
Why does Cora continue to start Leon?
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Post by wildsox on Sept 12, 2018 18:51:44 GMT -5
Anyone want to make a prediction on the next time we see Sandy Leon get a base hit? He's not even close to the ball right now and his average is down to .185
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