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Post by incandenza on Sept 18, 2018 21:42:28 GMT -5
5th ranked bullpen remember.... Three things: 1) Hey, I thought your position was that the bullpen is good now! 2) I would gladly concede that they haven't been a top-5 bullpen in the last month or so. I mean, I haven't checked the stats or anything, but it sure feels like they're worse than they were back when you were saying they were bad but they were actually good. Having Barnes fall off the log a little has really hurt. 3) In the playoffs you're willing to let your starters stay in a little longer, you'll have Eovaldi and Wright in the bullpen, and you'll be able to lean on Kimbrel in any crucial save situation. Those factors all mitigate the fact that the back end of the bullpen is... questionable, let's say. Despite some of the defeatist comments above from others, this is not a fatal flaw for the Red Sox; it's just the weakest spot on an outstanding team.
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Post by patford on Sept 18, 2018 22:06:05 GMT -5
So I didn't see the game but checked the box score. Nice to see Eovaldi pitch very strongly. The thing which jumped out was Workman's line. Was he really that wild or was this another case of the Yankee's tenth man ?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 18, 2018 22:11:50 GMT -5
The Red Sox REALLY didn't want to win that game. They hit into 3 DPs and the Yankees finally turned one. Terrible loss. The most aggravating of the season. Could have had a party tonight. Now I hope they don't get swept. Oh come now. The stakes are nil, we played our B team, and the Yankees still very nearly clowned their way to a loss. This wasn't even the most aggravating loss of the season at Yankee Stadium. (That would be this one.) If you understand my mentality you'll understand why there were stakes for me in tonight's game. Obviously the Red Sox will clinch the division shortly. That's not up for debate. But when the Sox play the Yankees, my hatred of the Yankees comes out and my intensity gets too much. I wanted the Red Sox to win so they can party at the Toilet - it is my hope the Sox have two parties at the Toilet this year and then two parties afterwards. I like sticking it to those MFYs and a win at their joke of a ballpark would have been very sweet. The other pieces of it are that I'm a guy who loves to record post-game celebrations. I'm going on vacation Thursday. I'm off tomorrow and would have loved to have watched the celebrations. Won't have time to do that on Thursday morning. And more so, I don't want to go into Thursday being preoccupied with the ballgame while I'm on vacation. That's a good way to piss off my non-baseball fan wife and I really don't want to do that. The Sox take care of business tonight then I really don't care if the Sox get crushed 20-0 to the Yankees - wouldn't bother me in the least, but I don't want to be baseball crazy (which is my natural inclination) while on vacation with my family. So that's why for me personally the stakes are not nil tonight or tomorrow. I want to enjoy the party and not think twice about the Sox/Yanks on Thursday night or be preoccupied with the game on Friday in Cleveland while I'm still on vacation. Basically, I just want to party (yes watching those cliched champagne parties still excite me after all of these years) and then go on vacation!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 18, 2018 22:14:15 GMT -5
The Red Sox REALLY didn't want to win that game. They hit into 3 DPs and the Yankees finally turned one. Terrible loss. The most aggravating of the season. Could have had a party tonight. Now I hope they don't get swept. Oh come now. The stakes are nil, we played our B team, and the Yankees still very nearly clowned their way to a loss. This wasn't even the most aggravating loss of the season at Yankee Stadium. (That would be this one.) That was an aggravating loss, but the Opening Day loss was even more hideous, although it wasn't against the MFYs. No matter how great your team is, there will always be aggravating losses. I mean, didn't the 2001 Seattle Mariners who won 116 games, fail to break the all-time record because they blew a 14-2 lead against the Indians? I would qualify that as an aggravating loss.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 18, 2018 22:17:18 GMT -5
And speaking as a Jewish guy, perhaps the Sox lost because my fellow Jewish ballplayer Ian Kinsler was playing on Yom Kippur. Maybe God wasn't too thrilled with that. Wish he had been at the nearest Kol Nidre ceremony in the 9th inning rather than hitting into the Sox 3rd DP of the inning.
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Post by station13 on Sept 18, 2018 22:19:42 GMT -5
Where has the hitting gone? Win and clinch tomorrow.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 19, 2018 3:41:24 GMT -5
5th ranked bullpen remember.... Three things: 1) Hey, I thought your position was that the bullpen is good now! 2) I would gladly concede that they haven't been a top-5 bullpen in the last month or so. I mean, I haven't checked the stats or anything, but it sure feels like they're worse than they were back when you were saying they were bad but they were actually good. Having Barnes fall off the log a little has really hurt. 3) In the playoffs you're willing to let your starters stay in a little longer, you'll have Eovaldi and Wright in the bullpen, and you'll be able to lean on Kimbrel in any crucial save situation. Those factors all mitigate the fact that the back end of the bullpen is... questionable, let's say. Despite some of the defeatist comments above from others, this is not a fatal flaw for the Red Sox; it's just the weakest spot on an outstanding team. Sorry lol. I get a little irritable after a Yankees loss by the Sox. I was just ticked off, even if the Sox are quadruple digits ahead it seems like. It's even worse seeing the Yankees celebrate when it was my one day off to see this clinching celebration, but hey at least a new Red Sox fan was born yesterday, so at least it wasn't a bad day for all of us. I really meant no ill will towards anyone in that post. I was really just mocking the bullpen because of my anger. I do think it's better off now with Wright and Brasier in it.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 19, 2018 3:56:47 GMT -5
I agree with all of the sane Red Sox fans though.
Stephen Wright who is your 3rd best reliever at the moment, didn't pitch in this game. He normally gets that 7th inning instead of Workman to start the inning.
Brasier made a bad pitch, but if he gets in a clean inning, he gives up one run at most.
Eovaldi has proven to be a weapon for the Sox against the Yankees. I don't know what he did for the Ray's against the Yankees, but since the time of the trade, Eovaldi has 14 scoreless innings with the Red Sox against the Yankees this year. If he isn't facing the Yankees a lot of the time and a lot innings, then that will be a travesty.
I'm waiting for the first half offense to come back to life however. That would be sweet. I also hope Cora learned his lesson in putting in Workman in a high leverage situation.
Really I apologize again, REALLY bad Yankee losses bring out the worst in people (myself very included). I'll try to avoid making it sound like I was snarking anyone in the future. I only posted twice here during this game for a reason. I hate starting anything over my frustration.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 19, 2018 5:42:40 GMT -5
www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/09/18/where-have-all-homers-gone-for-red-sox/gSayRUZ7pp1k7OqNpOvWKO/amp.html?__twitter_impression=trueThe Sox have hit into a pattern of regressing more towards last year's team in the second half in terms of homeruns. They have the third fewest homeruns since the allstar break and the fewest in September. Hopefully they snap out of it soon. It would be nice if they did. The second half offensive regression is a real thing along with the bullpen. Hopefully the Sox pull out of it by October. It's been the JD Martinez show and no one else in the second half in terms of homeruns- "While J.D. Martinez has remained a steady source of power (12 homers in the second half — tied for 7th in the AL and 16th in the majors – along with a .596 slugging mark and 1.004 OPS), no one else on the Sox has gone deep more than six times." The bullpen has 12 blown saves in 24 chances in the second half. Not depicting anything, just putting it out there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 19, 2018 6:06:22 GMT -5
www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/09/18/where-have-all-homers-gone-for-red-sox/gSayRUZ7pp1k7OqNpOvWKO/amp.html?__twitter_impression=trueThe Sox have hit into a pattern of regressing more towards last year's team in the second half in terms of homeruns. They have the third fewest homeruns since the allstar break and the fewest in September. Hopefully they snap out of it soon. It would be nice if they did. The second half offensive regression is a real thing along with the bullpen. Hopefully the Sox pull out of it by October. It's been the JD Martinez show and no one else in the second half in terms of homeruns- "While J.D. Martinez has remained a steady source of power (12 homers in the second half — tied for 7th in the AL and 16th in the majors – along with a .596 slugging mark and 1.004 OPS), no one else on the Sox has gone deep more than six times." The bullpen has 12 blown saves in 24 chances in the second half. Not depicting anything, just putting it out there. Red Sox second half record 35-18, .660. If we play .660 ball the rest of the way, we will end up with 110 wins. Somebody notify Chicken Little.
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Post by patford on Sept 19, 2018 6:51:19 GMT -5
The Yankee bullpen has not been good recently. All around MLB bullpens are melting down. The Yankees produce a lot of runs via walks and HRs. That is probably why Cora went with Workman rather than Wright. Who would have predicted that Workman would walk to batters ?
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Post by huskies15 on Sept 19, 2018 9:13:23 GMT -5
I'd like to see the offense score 7+ runs and actually do some damage early in a game. They've just been maddeningly slow out of the gates recently. Lack of homers from Betts and Benny the last month has played a role in that.
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Post by station13 on Sept 19, 2018 10:25:01 GMT -5
The Yankee bullpen has not been good recently. All around MLB bullpens are melting down. The Yankees produce a lot of runs via walks and HRs. That is probably why Cora went with Workman rather than Wright. Who would have predicted that Workman would walk to batters ? It was a good test to see what he can do under pressure, I think he threw 3 real strikes of nearly 20 or so pitches. The miss wasn't close. He fail.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 19, 2018 10:25:02 GMT -5
Rays win, looking forward to 4game series, TB v NY They have a pulse, Sox gotta win tonite
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 19, 2018 12:00:06 GMT -5
www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/09/18/where-have-all-homers-gone-for-red-sox/gSayRUZ7pp1k7OqNpOvWKO/amp.html?__twitter_impression=trueThe Sox have hit into a pattern of regressing more towards last year's team in the second half in terms of homeruns. They have the third fewest homeruns since the allstar break and the fewest in September. Hopefully they snap out of it soon. It would be nice if they did. The second half offensive regression is a real thing along with the bullpen. Hopefully the Sox pull out of it by October. It's been the JD Martinez show and no one else in the second half in terms of homeruns- "While J.D. Martinez has remained a steady source of power (12 homers in the second half — tied for 7th in the AL and 16th in the majors – along with a .596 slugging mark and 1.004 OPS), no one else on the Sox has gone deep more than six times." The bullpen has 12 blown saves in 24 chances in the second half. Not depicting anything, just putting it out there. Red Sox second half record 35-18, .660. If we play .660 ball the rest of the way, we will end up with 110 wins. Somebody notify Chicken Little. Yeah no doubt the Sox have found ways to win beyond the lack of power and bad bullpen performances, but it's a concerning trend at the wrong time of the year.
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Post by huskies15 on Sept 19, 2018 13:50:11 GMT -5
The secondary sources of power have really dried up. Benintendi, Devers, Moreland have all either been hurt or lost their home run stroke which has contributed to the precipitous fall in homers as the year has dragged on
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Post by danredhawk on Sept 19, 2018 14:12:21 GMT -5
Rays win, looking forward to 4game series, TB v NY They have a pulse, Sox gotta win tonite You keep bringing this up - and I wonder what you most hope to see in the playoffs? The Yankees failing to make it or the Red Sox advancing as far as possible? With the way the Rays have played and pitched down the stretch they are much more dangerous than NY and OAK right now. I'd take another look at what you're wishing for... Keep counting, but Tampa is all but officially finished off and that is a good thing...
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 19, 2018 16:06:27 GMT -5
Rays win, looking forward to 4game series, TB v NY They have a pulse, Sox gotta win tonite You keep bringing this up - and I wonder what you most hope to see in the playoffs? The Yankees failing to make it or the Red Sox advancing as far as possible? With the way the Rays have played and pitched down the stretch they are much more dangerous than NY and OAK right now. I'd take another look at what you're wishing for... Keep counting, but Tampa is all but officially finished off and that is a good thing... Golly, Dan. I've been rooting for Yanks to lose all summer. and that was a mistake? Now you tell me!
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Post by danredhawk on Sept 19, 2018 17:53:34 GMT -5
You keep bringing this up - and I wonder what you most hope to see in the playoffs? The Yankees failing to make it or the Red Sox advancing as far as possible? With the way the Rays have played and pitched down the stretch they are much more dangerous than NY and OAK right now. I'd take another look at what you're wishing for... Keep counting, but Tampa is all but officially finished off and that is a good thing... Golly, Dan. I've been rooting for Yanks to lose all summer. and that was a mistake? Now you tell me! No, I'm telling you it's a mistake to root for Tampa to make the playoffs. You want to root against NYs playoff chances then save your energy for the Wild-Card game...
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Post by radiohix on Sept 19, 2018 18:08:42 GMT -5
Man, I hate the MFY with such a burning passion!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 19, 2018 18:10:56 GMT -5
After all the sabermetric analysis, I've come to the conclusion that Cora caught Swihart with his wife.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 19, 2018 18:16:39 GMT -5
Ump already missing pitches clearly out of the zone
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 19, 2018 18:19:00 GMT -5
Here we go with the failed getting runners in with less than 2 outs again
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 19, 2018 18:20:42 GMT -5
i think that's three popups in a row for Xander with a runner on third and less than 2 outs, all in this series.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 19, 2018 18:21:23 GMT -5
Annoying inning
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