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9/28-9/30 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by malynn19 on Sept 29, 2018 15:54:39 GMT -5
"I know Cora is resting the players and not worried about winning these games, but instead making sure they're all healthy for the playoffs. BUT I hope he understands that the Yankees are really trying to win these games, are very good and that it's silly to think that he can just flip a switch and we will turn it on against them in the playoffs (Because as good as Oak has been, it's NY we will be facing) We will see Happ and CC in the 1st 2 games cause they are suppose to be the Red Sox killers, Severino will be going 3rd game. So all this rest and this nonchalant attitude over these games might come back to bite them in the ass." My 2 cents. Alex Cora is a rookie major league manager. He certainly has gotten kudos for his first regular season managing job, but this is his first exposure to the lead-in to the entirely different postseason. It's his first time through this, AND he has essentially handed himself an unusual situation because of the extreme success to which he has led the team over the last 6 months. Maybe after the playoffs are over he will say "looking back at it after the fact, I would have handled the last few weeks of the regular season somewhat differently." Maybe he has something to learn. Or, maybe he's pushing just the right buttons for this team. We'll probably be able to make a better judgment about that after the playoffs are over, and I don't mean judging by results. There are subjective measures beyond results. If the team does not win the championship but plays hard, makes games entertaining and goes down fighting (they could for example play well but not be able to get past Houston's dominant pitching), we shrug and say it wasn't to be. If the team looks tight, lost, or plays tentatively or lackadaisically (i.e., can't "flip the switch back on") and loses, then there is more evidence that perhaps the last few weeks of the regular season should have been handled differently And I agree with all this. I can live with losing (not really) as long as it looks like we are playing hard. But this team has been very laid back recently, and I am happy with our 3rd division in a row and our 107 wins since it looks like we are getting swept at home for the 1st time this season, (but its meaningless since both teams are playing for nothing) but they need to come out on fire come playoff time.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 29, 2018 16:16:06 GMT -5
If it does, it does. At the risk of sounding repetitious (which people would probably say I am), I am less worried about playoff results this year. We have recent championships in hand. I am pleased that this year turned out to be a (franchise) all-time dominant one in the regular season, something I have never before witnessed in 62 years of following this franchise. I think this is fair for the fans, but what about the players. They want this badly and they have been so terrific, I want this badly for them. Coupled with the fact that we may face a playoff round against the MFY, and the urgency goes up a notch
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 29, 2018 16:29:08 GMT -5
The Bucky Dent thing was in regular season game #163
60% chance that there will be at least one tiebreaker game on Monday
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 29, 2018 16:48:17 GMT -5
If it does, it does. At the risk of sounding repetitious (which people would probably say I am), I am less worried about playoff results this year. We have recent championships in hand. I am pleased that this year turned out to be a (franchise) all-time dominant one in the regular season, something I have never before witnessed in 62 years of following this franchise. I think this is fair for the fans, but what about the players. They want this badly and they have been so terrific, I want this badly for them. Coupled with the fact that we may face a playoff round against the MFY, and the urgency goes up a notch I presume all teams in the playoffs want this (a championship) badly. Houston and NYY have been terrific too. The fact of the matter is that the playoffs are a largely independent "mini season" after the regular season. The regular season gives indications, but no guarantees. That's the way it is. There is only one thing I want out of the playoffs. I want the Sox to avoid winning the first 3 games of a series and then losing the next 4. I want the Yankees to have that ignominious distinction alone for all time -- or at least until I'm dead.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 29, 2018 16:49:55 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but that home plate umpire was awful during that last plate appearance. JBJ had no chance given the plate zone for that AB. Lol I saw the last inning and at bat. Swear strike 2 was a foot outside. That was one of the worst strike calls I have ever seen in my life.
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 29, 2018 17:47:57 GMT -5
malynn19 since when is 2103 a lifetime ago? How old are you?
The Sox won in 2004 after 86 years, that is a lifetime!! Get a grip there have only been 4 WS since they won.
You must be from the generation that knows nothing but championships in Boston and lucky you but news flash those cups, trophies and rings don't grow on trees.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 29, 2018 18:32:56 GMT -5
I'm concerned about the Red Sox recent play. I totally get that it's spring training mode.
What worries me is that their pitchers are getting hit rather hard. I get we're going to see a lot of Lin (who's actually hitting), Travis, and we'll get Cuevas, Scott, and a bunch of Pomeranz.
What concerns me is that our pitchers we will have on our post-season roster haven't really pitched well lately and now the Sox as they head to the post-season are playing their worst baseball of the season.
I believe that the Sox peaked pct% wise at about 86-34 and then played steady and solid baseball thereafter or at least after the TB sweep to get to 101-45. Since then, they're 6-10.
Not the end of the world. The 2000 World Champs went 3-15 down the stretch. 6-10 is hardly a death sentence.
I am concerned that after a stretch of uninspiring spring training baseball in September the Sox might not be able to flip that switch in October. I remember Cora saying how important the Sox spring performance was and that it set the tone for the season. I hope the last few weeks don't set the tone for October.
I'm already worried about that we might not see the Chris Sale of June/July and we need that guy. The other teams have Kluber, Verlander, and Severino (who has been pitching a lot better lately) heading their rotations so they Sox need the ace pitching of Chris Sale.
I guess I'm just uneasy as they head for the playoffs. I had hoped that they'd kick it into gear the last week of the season. Hasn't happened. I tell myself that the silver lining is that if the Yanks win tomorrow's meaningless game that it's more unlikely that the Yankees would make it 4 or 5 in a row at Fenway, so the Sox would be due to win - Game 1 and Game 2 next week would be a great time for the Sox to get back to winning at Fenway against NY (I'd really be surprised to see Oakland knock off NY in NY, not as shocked as I would have been with Minny last year, but still surprised).
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Post by malynn19 on Sept 29, 2018 19:07:08 GMT -5
malynn19 since when is 2103 a lifetime ago? How old are you? The Sox won in 2004 after 86 years, that is a lifetime!! Get a grip there have only been 4 WS since they won. You must be from the generation that knows nothing but championships in Boston and lucky you but news flash those cups, trophies and rings don't grow on trees. Baseball and Real Life are not the same. 5 Years in sports is a lot, only Pedey remains from that team, so yeah that was a long time ago. And I am probably older than you, so just in case you missed it here it goes again: I was too young to hurt in '75 but I still had a Freddie Lynn poster on my wall. So MALYNN = MA are my Initials, Lynn my favorite player ever and 19 the number he wore. But maybe I am from this generation you speak of, lol. The three championships we have are not by luck (Even tho' some would say Lightning struck in 2013) but cause John Henry has put this franchise ahead of everyone else. For a while we were the envy of all Baseball (Even all sports) with the way we used Analytics/Sabermetrics better than anyone else. I mean we have Bill James, we had Theo, we had Tito and we keep reinventing the wheel. So before you open your trap, read my previous posts. I have not attack anyone here, just the way the Red Sox have played in the past few weeks. You must be from this new generation that get their feelings hurt when others opinion don't align with your own. Do I have to put a smiley face at the end of each paragraph so you won't get upset? Silly rabbit don't you know the world is flat.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 29, 2018 20:10:32 GMT -5
malynn19 since when is 2103 a lifetime ago? How old are you? The Sox won in 2004 after 86 years, that is a lifetime!! Get a grip there have only been 4 WS since they won. You must be from the generation that knows nothing but championships in Boston and lucky you but news flash those cups, trophies and rings don't grow on trees. Baseball and Real Life are not the same. 5 Years in sports is a lot, only Pedey remains from that team, so yeah that was a long time ago. And I am probably older than you, so just in case you missed it here it goes again: I was too young to hurt in '75 but I still had a Freddie Lynn poster on my wall. So MALYNN = MA are my Initials, Lynn my favorite player ever and 19 the number he wore. But maybe I am from this generation you speak of, lol. The three championships we have are not by luck (Even tho' some would say Lightning struck in 2013) but cause John Henry has put this franchise ahead of everyone else. For a while we were the envy of all Baseball (Even all sports) with the way we used Analytics/Sabermetrics better than anyone else. I mean we have Bill James, we had Theo, we had Tito and we keep reinventing the wheel. So before you open your trap, read my previous posts. I have not attack anyone here, just the way the Red Sox have played in the past few weeks. You must be from this new generation that get their feelings hurt when others opinion don't align with your own. Do I have to put a smiley face at the end of each paragraph so you won't get upset? Silly rabbit don't you know the world is flat. Great burn and crash against an uncalled for personalized post. Two thumbs up. That said I disagree with your premise. There are 30 teams, one championship in the last 15 years puts you ahead of the curve. We have three. It might feel like a lifetime but it isn't. Haha, so you are saying you aren't a 19 year old from Lynn Ma ?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 29, 2018 20:30:47 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but that home plate umpire was awful during that last plate appearance. JBJ had no chance given the plate zone for that AB. Lol I saw the last inning and at bat. Swear strike 2 was a foot outside. That was one of the worst strike calls I have ever seen in my life. It was so bad that I had to post it on the Twitter account I never use lol. This is legitimately the worst call ever.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 30, 2018 9:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 30, 2018 11:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 30, 2018 11:22:10 GMT -5
"I know Cora is resting the players and not worried about winning these games, but instead making sure they're all healthy for the playoffs. BUT I hope he understands that the Yankees are really trying to win these games, are very good and that it's silly to think that he can just flip a switch and we will turn it on against them in the playoffs (Because as good as Oak has been, it's NY we will be facing) Oh boy, now if we don't win the World Series we're getting a lot of hot takes on how that happened because the team mailed in some completely meaningless games. It's the "don't rest starters in week 17" thing crossing over to baseball.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2018 11:46:02 GMT -5
In the "things that truly don't matter but I find myself irrationally invested in anyway" department, I've really been wanting this team to get to 108 wins. 108-54: that's winning 2 out of every 3 games for an entire season. I care about this for some reason!
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Post by malynn19 on Sept 30, 2018 12:22:21 GMT -5
"I know Cora is resting the players and not worried about winning these games, but instead making sure they're all healthy for the playoffs. BUT I hope he understands that the Yankees are really trying to win these games, are very good and that it's silly to think that he can just flip a switch and we will turn it on against them in the playoffs (Because as good as Oak has been, it's NY we will be facing) Oh boy, now if we don't win the World Series we're getting a lot of hot takes on how that happened because the team mailed in some completely meaningless games. It's the "don't rest starters in week 17" thing crossing over to baseball. No, its not just "week 17". Besides the Braves series sweep, in the last month we have have gone 3-4 vs Indians 0-3 vs Tampa, 1-5 vs NY ( I guess we will mail it in again today) and 1-2 vs Houston with most games played at Home. They lost every series against all the remaining playoff opponents (including the A's). And to be honest, as confident as I am vs any of those teams, I do not think that any of those teams fear us like they did from March-August. Their lineups and their starting pitching have been just as good or gotten better and only Houston has a weaker bullpen. We have our weaknesses, all teams do. But we were on pace for 110+ wins and we took our foot off the gas and let them all think/believe that they can compete. We all have seen it and have discuss it and even tho' you know what Cora's plan is we still have doubts. Now I am hoping that when the playoffs start, all those teams wear down and Cora's formula will prove his point. Either way I will be rooting for the Sox, I just want them to play hard, mistake free and strike first.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 30, 2018 13:52:26 GMT -5
Oh boy, now if we don't win the World Series we're getting a lot of hot takes on how that happened because the team mailed in some completely meaningless games. It's the "don't rest starters in week 17" thing crossing over to baseball. No, its not just "week 17". Besides the Braves series sweep, in the last month we have have gone 3-4 vs Indians 0-3 vs Tampa, 1-5 vs NY ( I guess we will mail it in again today) and 1-2 vs Houston with most games played at Home. They lost every series against all the remaining playoff opponents (including the A's). And to be honest, as confident as I am vs any of those teams, I do not think that any of those teams fear us like they did from March-August. Their lineups and their starting pitching have been just as good or gotten better and only Houston has a weaker bullpen. We have our weaknesses, all teams do. But we were on pace for 110+ wins and we took our foot off the gas and let them all think/believe that they can compete. We all have seen it and have discuss it and even tho' you know what Cora's plan is we still have doubts. Now I am hoping that when the playoffs start, all those teams wear down and Cora's formula will prove his point. Either way I will be rooting for the Sox, I just want them to play hard, mistake free and strike first. I think fear is more important to fans. I don't think player's have more than half-of-one-millionth-of-a-second of a thought of fear in the manner you speak. I think fans project their own fears and think players feel the same. With that said-- I'm a fan and I fear too. I fear Sale not being healthy. I don't think whether the other teams fear us or not has anything to do with winning or losing. IMO the Sox got Sale because they felt a dominant starter helps their chances to win a lot of games including the post season- an obvious answer. When the Sox don't have an effective Sale - then many of the teams you cite ofc they might beat us more. There's a reason why the SOx felt a need to get Sale and imo it had nothing to do with imposing fear on other teams. And if the Sox had an effective Sale that can pitch 6 plus innings rather than starting 6/7/8 caliber starters then some of those series you cite - the Sox would have probably won more of those games. IMO you vastly overstating the importance of foot on the gas. The health and effectiveness of Sale - everything of super pitching, 6+ innings while preserving the bullpen along with not throwing Velazquez who started the last game vs Tampa before being swept, then stated vs Tampa then vs Cleveland. We also had Pomeranz pitch late I think though the start with Velaz. That's 3 starts vs the team you cite. Plus we had Brian Johnson start and one game we used Kelly who possibly won't make it and we had Price pitch in NY stadium. Most of these starts other than Price may not happen if we had Sale - or would happen less. And imo that has nothing to do with fear other than for us as fans.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2018 14:13:15 GMT -5
No, its not just "week 17". Besides the Braves series sweep, in the last month we have have gone 3-4 vs Indians 0-3 vs Tampa, 1-5 vs NY ( I guess we will mail it in again today) and 1-2 vs Houston with most games played at Home. They lost every series against all the remaining playoff opponents (including the A's). And to be honest, as confident as I am vs any of those teams, I do not think that any of those teams fear us like they did from March-August. Their lineups and their starting pitching have been just as good or gotten better and only Houston has a weaker bullpen. We have our weaknesses, all teams do. But we were on pace for 110+ wins and we took our foot off the gas and let them all think/believe that they can compete. We all have seen it and have discuss it and even tho' you know what Cora's plan is we still have doubts. Now I am hoping that when the playoffs start, all those teams wear down and Cora's formula will prove his point. Either way I will be rooting for the Sox, I just want them to play hard, mistake free and strike first. I think fear is more important to fans. I don't think player's have more than half-of-one-millionth-of-a-second of a thought of fear in the manner you speak. I think fans project their own fears and think players feel the same. This is exactly what I was just about to say. The most common fallacy I see here is people getting nervous or losing confidence in the team, and then making comments like "boy, this team really needs to win in order to get its confidence back." No, you need them to win to get your confidence back. I really don't think Mookie Betts steps into the batter's box thinking, "Gee, maybe we just aren't that good after all, better have a defensive at-bat" when the team's lost 3 in a row or whatever.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2018 14:34:33 GMT -5
So the Red Sox are beating the Yankees 4-0. Just, you know, if anyone was wondering...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2018 14:37:18 GMT -5
Loving both games...watching Pats and Sox. With a smile.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2018 14:56:29 GMT -5
7-0, ho hum...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2018 14:57:35 GMT -5
X man...it's a beautiful thing
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 15:01:25 GMT -5
Panic in Boston cancelled.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 30, 2018 15:05:12 GMT -5
Mookie's regular season is officially over....what a year
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2018 15:06:25 GMT -5
Time for the Kelly cringe!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 30, 2018 15:08:35 GMT -5
Just because the game doesn't mean anything, doesn't mean I don't love this.
In a couple of days, the real fun begins. Hope to see the members out in full force.
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