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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 30, 2018 15:11:55 GMT -5
Joe's first two pitches to Judge were strikes but called balls....must be nice for your team to always get such favorable strikezones
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 30, 2018 15:14:20 GMT -5
Double Plays are a beautiful thing as well. Game means nothing for the standings of course - but a win means a full season without a 4 game losing streak. Only other two times we did that we won the whole shebang.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 30, 2018 15:28:14 GMT -5
Yankees would be so screwed at first base without Luke Voit, of all people....who knew
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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 30, 2018 15:31:12 GMT -5
What?
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Post by patford on Sept 30, 2018 15:35:20 GMT -5
Yankees would be so screwed at first base without Luke Voit, of all people....who knew Voit is another example of the ridiculous Yankee strike zones. The one their pitchers get as well as the one their hitters get. How absurd is it that prospect after prospect (including 27 year old org guys) come up and actually hit better at the MLB level than they do in the minors.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 30, 2018 15:42:47 GMT -5
So this Justus Shefield guy is an over hyped version of Darwinson Hernandez, isn't he?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 15:45:41 GMT -5
Baltimore is beating Houston 4-0. I wonder if their fans are panicking.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 15:50:15 GMT -5
Don Orsillo is announcing this game on TBS. I almost didn't notice.
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Post by malynn19 on Sept 30, 2018 16:00:27 GMT -5
No, its not just "week 17". Besides the Braves series sweep, in the last month we have have gone 3-4 vs Indians 0-3 vs Tampa, 1-5 vs NY ( I guess we will mail it in again today) and 1-2 vs Houston with most games played at Home. They lost every series against all the remaining playoff opponents (including the A's). And to be honest, as confident as I am vs any of those teams, I do not think that any of those teams fear us like they did from March-August. Their lineups and their starting pitching have been just as good or gotten better and only Houston has a weaker bullpen. We have our weaknesses, all teams do. But we were on pace for 110+ wins and we took our foot off the gas and let them all think/believe that they can compete. We all have seen it and have discuss it and even tho' you know what Cora's plan is we still have doubts. Now I am hoping that when the playoffs start, all those teams wear down and Cora's formula will prove his point. Either way I will be rooting for the Sox, I just want them to play hard, mistake free and strike first. I think fear is more important to fans. I don't think player's have more than half-of-one-millionth-of-a-second of a thought of fear in the manner you speak. I think fans project their own fears and think players feel the same. With that said-- I'm a fan and I fear too. I fear Sale not being healthy. I don't think whether the other teams fear us or not has anything to do with winning or losing. IMO the Sox got Sale because they felt a dominant starter helps their chances to win a lot of games including the post season- an obvious answer. When the Sox don't have an effective Sale - then many of the teams you cite ofc they might beat us more. There's a reason why the SOx felt a need to get Sale and imo it had nothing to do with imposing fear on other teams. And if the Sox had an effective Sale that can pitch 6 plus innings rather than starting 6/7/8 caliber starters then some of those series you cite - the Sox would have probably won more of those games. IMO you vastly overstating the importance of foot on the gas. The health and effectiveness of Sale - everything of super pitching, 6+ innings while preserving the bullpen along with not throwing Velazquez who started the last game vs Tampa before being swept, then stated vs Tampa then vs Cleveland. We also had Pomeranz pitch late I think though the start with Velaz. That's 3 starts vs the team you cite. Plus we had Brian Johnson start and one game we used Kelly who possibly won't make it and we had Price pitch in NY stadium. Most of these starts other than Price may not happen if we had Sale - or would happen less. And imo that has nothing to do with fear other than for us as fans. Well I guess Fear was a poor choice of word, cause you can trust me when I say I have no fear as a fan. I live in NY territory, I have been to school/work the next day (after Buckner, after Boone, after Giants killed our undefeated season and after the Lakers beat us in '85, '87 and '09) always representing and people make their comments and I just smile. It's just a game, its fun but I don't take it to heart I stopped that 25 years ago. And I know Sale and even E-Rod were not there but we still played poorly down the stretch, the comments made by most here co-sign this. The Pats just won and we are up 10-2 and guess what? We still played bad last few weeks. It doesn't change anything.
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Post by malynn19 on Sept 30, 2018 16:04:15 GMT -5
Baltimore is beating Houston 4-0. I wonder if their fans are panicking. I hope not. Houston has been playing very well down the stretch. But we'll never know unless we go into their website and see.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 16:11:32 GMT -5
I think fear is more important to fans. I don't think player's have more than half-of-one-millionth-of-a-second of a thought of fear in the manner you speak. I think fans project their own fears and think players feel the same. With that said-- I'm a fan and I fear too. I fear Sale not being healthy. I don't think whether the other teams fear us or not has anything to do with winning or losing. IMO the Sox got Sale because they felt a dominant starter helps their chances to win a lot of games including the post season- an obvious answer. When the Sox don't have an effective Sale - then many of the teams you cite ofc they might beat us more. There's a reason why the SOx felt a need to get Sale and imo it had nothing to do with imposing fear on other teams. And if the Sox had an effective Sale that can pitch 6 plus innings rather than starting 6/7/8 caliber starters then some of those series you cite - the Sox would have probably won more of those games. IMO you vastly overstating the importance of foot on the gas. The health and effectiveness of Sale - everything of super pitching, 6+ innings while preserving the bullpen along with not throwing Velazquez who started the last game vs Tampa before being swept, then stated vs Tampa then vs Cleveland. We also had Pomeranz pitch late I think though the start with Velaz. That's 3 starts vs the team you cite. Plus we had Brian Johnson start and one game we used Kelly who possibly won't make it and we had Price pitch in NY stadium. Most of these starts other than Price may not happen if we had Sale - or would happen less. And imo that has nothing to do with fear other than for us as fans. Well I guess Fear was a poor choice of word, cause you can trust me when I say I have no fear as a fan. I live in NY territory, I have been to school/work the next day (after Buckner, after Boone, or after Giants killed our undefeated season or after the Lakers beat us in '85, '87 and '09) always representing and people make their comments and I just smile. It's just a game, its fun but I don't take it to heart I stopped that 25 years ago. And I know Sale and even E-Rod were not there but we still played poorly down the stretch, the comments made by most here co-sign this. The Pats just won and we are up 10-2 and guess what? We still played bad last few weeks. It doesn't change anything. Man, the Yankees choked more in 2004 than the Red Sox have in their entire history. I'd just point that out and laugh at every attempt of a Yankee fan talking trash. I just don't get this stuff and wonder why anyone cares about fans of other teams. None of you are playing for either team so it's not your fault if they lose and you get no credit if they win either. That's such childish garbage. No one is superior to anyone else because of what team you cheer for. If the Red Sox lose, I'll get over it in 5 minutes. I'm already happy for life because they won in 2004 and how they won it. They could lose for the rest of my life and I'll still have that feeling.
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Post by swingingbunt on Sept 30, 2018 16:39:22 GMT -5
Gun to my head, I would have said he was still in Japan. ...or was it Korea? I think it was Korea. I'd be dead either way.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 30, 2018 16:43:34 GMT -5
Mookie got the Trout endorsement for MVP
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 16:55:21 GMT -5
361 foot double for JBJ. That would have been in the 5th deck of Yankee Stadium or something.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 30, 2018 16:56:23 GMT -5
JBJ closing on a 3 wins season just to mess up with the haterz.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 30, 2018 17:24:34 GMT -5
JBJ closing on a 3 wins season just to mess up with the haterz.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 30, 2018 17:34:57 GMT -5
The Red Sox, who took their feet off the gas, lost all momentum, mailed it in, lost their edge, or whatever your preferred metaphor is, scored a mere 7.4 runs/game in their last 10 games.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 30, 2018 17:46:01 GMT -5
JBJ closing on a 3 wins season just to mess up with the haterz. JBJ is a gift from the baseball gods. For the memories... ADD: BTW That 42% catch probabilty is BS.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 17:54:51 GMT -5
JBJ is a gift from the baseball gods. For the memories... ADD: BTW That 42% catch probabilty is BS. I would bet that Statcast' catch probability does not include fear of injury because of hard walls right near where the ball is hit.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 30, 2018 18:21:53 GMT -5
JBJ is a gift from the baseball gods. For the memories... ADD: BTW That 42% catch probabilty is BS. The absence of a closeness-to-wall factor is part of it, but I think an even bigger unadjusted-for factor is that JBJ was correctly shading him towards RF. It's 42% playing straightaway in a bigger park. A foot or two of positioning changes the Catch Probability hugely.
Until defensive metrics get a better handle on the new improvements in defensive positioning, they're sketchy.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 30, 2018 18:37:49 GMT -5
JBJ is a gift from the baseball gods. For the memories... ADD: BTW That 42% catch probabilty is BS. The absence of a closeness-to-wall factor is part of it, but I think an even bigger unadjusted-for factor is that JBJ was correctly shading him towards RF. It's 42% playing straightaway in a bigger park. A foot or two of positioning changes the Catch Probability hugely.
Until defensive metrics get a better handle on the new improvements in defensive positioning, they're sketchy.
Absolutely true. Evidence is clear when JDM went from an atrocious outfielder in Detroit to a slightly above average outfielder in Arizona. The difference was shifting. Defensive stats are close to meaningless until they fix this.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 30, 2018 19:05:49 GMT -5
The absence of a closeness-to-wall factor is part of it, but I think an even bigger unadjusted-for factor is that JBJ was correctly shading him towards RF. It's 42% playing straightaway in a bigger park. A foot or two of positioning changes the Catch Probability hugely. Until defensive metrics get a better handle on the new improvements in defensive positioning, they're sketchy.
Absolutely true. Evidence is clear when JDM went from an atrocious outfielder in Detroit to a slightly above average outfielder in Arizona. The difference was shifting. Defensive stats are close to meaningless until they fix this. No more meaningless than they have always been. Omar Vizquel was statistically only an above average fielder. lol, and Tony Gwynn was the luckiest man in history. (BABIP)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 30, 2018 23:04:45 GMT -5
That's the good feeling the Sox needed heading to the playoffs. The Red Sox offense pounded the guys who won't be making the Yankees post-season and in the process their guys got a lot of cool numbers. Betts got the batting title at .346 while JDM now holds the Red Sox record for HRs for first year guys and reached 130 RBIs and a .330 BA. Xander finishes with 23 HRs and 103 RBIs.
More importantly the pitching staff had a good day except for Poyner. E-Rod looked a lot better which was important. And Brasier, Barnes, and Kimbrel all pitched well, too.
Now the Red Sox are tasked with defending the honor of 108-54 teams. The previous three teams that won 108 games and played .667 baseball all won the World Series: the 1970 Orioles, the 1975 Reds with some help from the Sox in Game 7, and with a 1986 Mets with a ton of help from the Sox that Series.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 1, 2018 1:49:58 GMT -5
Section 10 Podcast @section10pod
Mookie Betts and JD Martinez are 1st pair of AL teammates to hit .330+ with 30+ HRs in a season in 81 years
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 1, 2018 2:35:33 GMT -5
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