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The Red Sox Offseason Thread: Who do you want for 2019?
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Post by dmaineah on Oct 6, 2018 14:33:52 GMT -5
Catchers Yasmani Grandal (30 years old, 2.6 WAR) Wilson Ramos (31, 2.5) Kurt Suzuki (35, 1.7) A.J. Ellis (38, 1.0) Martin Maldonado (32, 0.9) Nick Hundley (35, 0.8) Jonathan Lucroy (33, 0.5) Devin Mesoraco (31, 0.5) Rene Rivera (35, 0.4) Matt Wieters (33, 0.4) Jeff Mathis (36, -0.2) Drew Butera (35, -0.4)
First basemen Steve Pearce (36 years old, 1.3 WAR) Joe Mauer (36, 0.9) Matt Adams (30, 0.8) Mark Reynolds (35, 0.4) Lucas Duda (32, 0.0) Hanley Ramirez (35, -0.2)
Second basemen Jed Lowrie (35 years old, 4.8 WAR) Ian Kinsler (37, 2.3) Asdrubal Cabrera (33, 2.3) Daniel Descalso (32, 1.9) DJ LeMahieu (30, 1.3) Brian Dozier (32, 1.2) Daniel Murphy (34, 0.3) Logan Forsythe (32, 0.2) Sean Rodriguez (34, 0.0) Andrew Romine (33, 0.0) Neil Walker (33, -0.2)
Third basemen Eduardo Escobar (30 years old, 3.2 WAR) Adrian Beltre (40, 0.6) Josh Donaldson (33, 0.6) Pablo Sandoval (32, 0.1) Chase Headley (35, -0.4) Danny Valencia (34, -0.4) Jose Reyes (36, -0.8) Luis Valbuena (33, -0.9)
Shortstops Manny Machado (26 years old, 5.7 WAR) Jose Iglesias (29, 2.5) Elvis Andrus (30, 1.2) -- Can opt out of the four years and $58 million remaining on his contract. Jordy Mercer (32, 1.1) Freddy Galvis (29, 0.6) Adeiny Hechavarria (30, 0.4) Alcides Escobar (32, -0.5) Eric Sogard (33, -0.8)
Left fielders Michael Brantley (32 years old, 2.6 WAR) Marwin Gonzalez (30, 1.3) Curtis Granderson (38, 0.6) Craig Gentry (35, 0.5) Cameron Maybin (32, 0.4) Matt Joyce (34, 0.1) Gregor Blanco (35, -0.4) Hunter Pence (36, -0.8)
Center fielders Leonys Martin (31 years old, 2.5 WAR) A.J. Pollock (31, 1.9) Adam Jones (33, 0.6) Rajai Davis (38, 0.3) Austin Jackson (32, -0.3)
Right fielders Bryce Harper (26 years old, 3.1 WAR) Nick Markakis (35, 2.6) Jason Heyward (29, 2.2) -- Can opt out of the five years and $106 million remaining on his contract. Carlos Gonzalez (33, 1.9) Andrew McCutchen (32, 1.8) Jon Jay (33, 1.1) Lonnie Chisenhall (30, 0.8) Melky Cabrera (34, 0.4) Jose Bautista (38, 0.4) Carlos Gomez (33, -0.3) Chris Young (35, -0.5)
Designated hitters Nelson Cruz (38 years old, 2.4 WAR) Evan Gattis (32, 0.3) Pedro Alvarez (32, -0.2)
Starting pitchers Patrick Corbin (29 years old, 5.7 WAR) Dallas Keuchel (31, 3.4) Clayton Kershaw (31, 3.2) -- Can opt out of the two years and $65 million remaining on his contract. Charlie Morton (35, 2.9) David Price (33, 2.5) -- Can opt out of the four years and $127 million remaining on his contract. J.A. Happ (36, 2.5) CC Sabathia (38, 2.2) Lance Lynn (32, 2.2) Trevor Cahill (31, 2.1) Derek Holland (32, 1.9) Clay Buchholz (34, 1.7) Anibal Sanchez (35, 1.6) Nathan Eovaldi (29, 1.5) Gio Gonzalez (33, 1.4) Hyun-Jin Ryu (32, 1.2) Matt Harvey (30, 1.1) Jeremy Hellickson (32, 1.1) Wade Miley (32, 1.0) Garrett Richards (32, 1.0) Tyson Ross (32, 1.0) Brett Anderson (31, 0.8) Edwin Jackson (35, 0.8) Marco Estrada (35, 0.5) Bartolo Colon (46, 0.2) Jaime Garcia (32, 0.0) Adam Wainwright (37, 0.0) Drew Pomeranz (30, -0.3) Miguel Gonzalez (35, -0.3) Francisco Liriano (35, -0.4) Chris Tillman (31, -0.4) Hisashi Iwakuma (35, N/A) -- Hasn't appeared in the Majors in 2018.
Relief pitchers Adam Ottavino (33 years old, 2.2 WAR) Jeurys Familia (29, 1.8) David Robertson (34, 1.3) Craig Kimbrel (31, 1.2) Sergio Romo (36, 1.0) Jesse Chavez (35, 1.0) Oliver Perez (37, 0.8) Jake Diekman (32, 0.7) Tony Sipp (35, 0.7) Brad Brach (33, 0.7) Zach Duke (36, 0.7) Joe Kelly (31, 0.6) Justin Wilson (31, 0.6) Mark Melancon (34, 0.5) -- Can opt out of the two years and $28 million remaining on his contract. Tyler Clippard (34, 0.4) Andrew Miller (34, 0.4) Kelvin Herrera (29,0.4) Tony Barnette (35, 0.3) Aaron Loup (31, 0.3) Bud Norris (34, 0.3) Jonny Venters (34, 0.3) Adam Warren (31, 0.3) John Axford (36, 0.2) Greg Holland (33, 0.2) Shawn Kelley (35, 0.2) Jerry Blevins (35, 0.1) Santiago Casilla (38, 0.1) Fernando Salas (34, 0.0) Ryan Madson (38, 0.0) Zach McAllister (31, 0.0) Blake Wood (33, 0.0) Daniel Hudson (32, -0.1) Zach Britton (31, -0.1) Jorge De La Rosa (38, -0.1) Jeanmar Gomez (31, -0.1) AJ Ramos (32, -0.2) Jim Johnson (36, -0.2) Matt Belisle (39, -0.2) Randall Delgado (29, -0.2) Boone Logan (34, -0.3) Brad Ziegler (39, -0.3) Cody Allen (30, -0.3) Hector Santiago (31, -0.4) Peter Moylan (40, -0.4) Junichi Tazawa (33, -0.6) Blaine Boyer (37, -0.9) Josh Tomlin (34, -1.3) David Phelps (32, N/A) -- Hasn't appeared in the Majors in 2018. Joaquin Benoit (41, N/A) -- Hasn't appeared in the Majors in 2018
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 6, 2018 14:55:34 GMT -5
Bump this in November.
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Post by jiant2520 on Oct 15, 2018 16:11:16 GMT -5
I like Pearce, Kimbrel and Eovaldi. Not sure any will be back though.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 15, 2018 21:40:31 GMT -5
#JedLowrieReunionTour
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Post by manfred on Oct 16, 2018 9:39:00 GMT -5
Slim pickings.
Eovaldi. Kimbrel. One other bullpen arm depending on how the market shakes out. Invest in our own young players, who are about to cost a fortune.
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Post by soxcentral on Oct 16, 2018 10:18:25 GMT -5
Agreed, and at that time we can discuss a short term Donaldson signing paired with a Núñez trade.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Oct 17, 2018 17:35:55 GMT -5
I’d be down for Donaldson.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 17, 2018 17:45:03 GMT -5
This team can't afford someone like Donaldson when they already have Devers (and Chavis in AAA). That's not a good use of their budget. It's not like they could get him for 1 year. And they'll likely have to reset the luxury tax in 2020 or 2021, when they also have to worry about losing Sale, Xander, JBJ, Porcello, etc. Still paying Donaldson then would be insanely dumb. It's also possible he falls completely apart like he seems to be on his way to doing which would make him yet another untradeable 3B free agent signing.
I'd change my mind if they could trade Devers for someone like Berrios or Snell, but that's not likely either. That would enable them to trade Porcello for prospects to save money.
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Post by jiant2520 on Oct 17, 2018 19:36:21 GMT -5
This team can't afford someone like Donaldson when they already have Devers (and Chavis in AAA). That's not a good use of their budget. It's not like they could get him for 1 year. And they'll likely have to reset the luxury tax in 2020 or 2021, when they also have to worry about losing Sale, Xander, JBJ, Porcello, etc. Still paying Donaldson then would be insanely dumb. It's also possible he falls completely apart like he seems to be on his way to doing which would make him yet another untradeable 3B free agent signing. I'd change my mind if they could trade Devers for someone like Berrios or Snell, but that's not likely either. That would enable them to trade Porcello for prospects to save money. I don't think they can afford to trade Porcello. I think it a good bet Price declines his opt out and stays in Boston for three more years as an above average, albeit over paid pitcher. Also, that arm injury is still in the back of my mind. E-Rod hopefully pitches 30-33 starts and shows he can be counted on, but so far he is not been too reliable. Sale, after next year, will be a 30 year old rail thin pitcher who has not proven he can be a workhorse type, consistent pitcher in October. Not sure he ever will be that. If he wants a 5-7 year deal in the David Price range, I am unsure that is a good move. Personally, Porcello is more likely to be resigned and Sale traded....
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Post by soxjim on Oct 19, 2018 10:56:51 GMT -5
I'd like Eovaldi but don't think they can afford him. And if I were the Yanks, I'd go get him (and the lefty Corbin from Arizona). We've got injury issues with Sale, Price, and Wright. And ERod never seems to give a full season. If not him I'd kick the tires with Cahill and Lynn. Too bad we can't depend on Wright.
I wouldn't sign Kimbrel and Nunez.
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Post by gerry on Oct 19, 2018 12:30:43 GMT -5
I'd like Eovaldi but don't think they can afford him. And if I were the Yanks, I'd go get him (and the lefty Corbin from Arizona). We've got injury issues with Sale, Price, and Wright. And ERod never seems to give a full season. If not him I'd kick the tires with Cahill and Lynn. Too bad we can't depend on Wright. I wouldn't sign Kimbrel and Nunez. I disagreed with Eric’s idea that trading Porcello with a year left on his $20M contract could make the most sense. With the apparent redemption tour of both Price and Eovaldi, I have second thoughts. If we can only keep one of Eovaldi or Porcello, and that scenario is possible, it’s a tough choice. But with the loss of Pomerantz, and lingering questions about Wright and Sale, the best choice would be to keep both (Sale, Price, Porcello, ERod, Eovaldi) and slide Wright to the Pen as spot starter/long man. Applying Pom’s salary towards Eovaldi’s helps make this work. We don’t want to send a legit nyfy killer to the nyfy.
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Post by elbochie on Oct 19, 2018 13:31:36 GMT -5
From what I have seen (maybe I'm wrong) the Sox have $198 mil dedicated to 2019 to include arb raises....the cap will be $206 mil and $247 mil before serious penalties....so maybe the Sox have around $50 mil to spend if they max out....if the numbers are correct they could easily resign Eovaldi, maybe Cruz for DH, maybe Andrew Miller as closer, and an additional BP piece....and resign Pearce. Pardon me in advance if I am wrong with the numbers
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2018 13:33:02 GMT -5
From what I have seen (maybe I'm wrong) the Sox have $198 mil dedicated to 2019 to include arb raises....the cap will be $206 mil and $247 mil before serious penalties....so maybe the Sox have around $50 mil to spend if they max out....if the numbers are correct they could easily resign Eovaldi, maybe Cruz for DH, maybe Andrew Miller as closer, and an additional BP piece....and resign Pearce. Pardon me in advance if I am wrong with the numbers Cruz for DH? We have JDM already.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Oct 19, 2018 15:22:44 GMT -5
A year or two ago I was a strong advocate for value signings, and working very hard to stay under the cap. Build a team from the ground up, and don't lose draft picks etc etc etc.
I also believe there is a time and place for everything, now may be the time to splurge. I'd like to see the Sox go after a Patrick Corbin, Kuechel, or Kershaw type. I'd love one of the elite starters on the market.
I'd also be ok with moving Devers and a few guys for a starter and going out and signing Machado. Or some type of equivalent move. It could be signing Machado and moving Bogaerts, or signing Harper and moving Betts etc etc etc. Although, I really like Betts and would be more inclined to extend him.
If I had to pick a risky move to make, I'd take a look at a guy like Matt Harvey. He could probably be had dirt cheap, he might even be a candidate for a one year deal in this market to build his value back up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 19, 2018 17:44:57 GMT -5
A year or two ago I was a strong advocate for value signings, and working very hard to stay under the cap. Build a team from the ground up, and don't lose draft picks etc etc etc. I also believe there is a time and place for everything, now may be the time to splurge. I'd like to see the Sox go after a Patrick Corbin, Kuechel, or Kershaw type. I'd love one of the elite starters on the market. I'd also be ok with moving Devers and a few guys for a starter and going out and signing Machado. Or some type of equivalent move. It could be signing Machado and moving Bogaerts, or signing Harper and moving Betts etc etc etc. Although, I really like Betts and would be more inclined to extend him. If I had to pick a risky move to make, I'd take a look at a guy like Matt Harvey. He could probably be had dirt cheap, he might even be a candidate for a one year deal in this market to build his value back up. Want to destroy a clubhouse's culture then signing Machado and Harvey would be a good way to do it. I'd rather have Devers for cheap and let him continue to develop than blow money on Machado.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Oct 19, 2018 18:18:42 GMT -5
A year or two ago I was a strong advocate for value signings, and working very hard to stay under the cap. Build a team from the ground up, and don't lose draft picks etc etc etc. I also believe there is a time and place for everything, now may be the time to splurge. I'd like to see the Sox go after a Patrick Corbin, Kuechel, or Kershaw type. I'd love one of the elite starters on the market. I'd also be ok with moving Devers and a few guys for a starter and going out and signing Machado. Or some type of equivalent move. It could be signing Machado and moving Bogaerts, or signing Harper and moving Betts etc etc etc. Although, I really like Betts and would be more inclined to extend him. If I had to pick a risky move to make, I'd take a look at a guy like Matt Harvey. He could probably be had dirt cheap, he might even be a candidate for a one year deal in this market to build his value back up. Want to destroy a clubhouse's culture then signing Machado and Harvey would be a good way to do it. I'd rather have Devers for cheap and let him continue to develop than blow money on Machado. Do you think both those guys are bad teammates and cancers in the clubhouse? If so I’m inclined to agree with you. I’d still like to see the Sox add elite talent, preferably on the pitching side.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 19, 2018 18:28:22 GMT -5
Harper, Harvey & Machado in - Bogaerts, Betts, Eovaldi out? What are you building, the Oakland Raiders of baseball?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Oct 19, 2018 18:48:38 GMT -5
Harper, Harvey & Machado in - Bogaerts, Betts, Eovaldi out? What are you building, the Oakland Raiders of baseball? Let me reiterate and expand my point. I'm definitely not advocating for all those moves being made, I was merely suggesting the level and scope I'd like to see and gave examples. I don't want the sox to go out and get Harper, Harvey, Machado and get rid of Bogaerts, Betts, and Eovaldi. Also, Eovaldi is a FA, so he doesn't really fit in there. In the absence of resigning him, he's already out.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 19, 2018 19:36:17 GMT -5
I was using hyperbole to make a point which is that I don't think it makes sense to mess with the extremely talented core of a young 108 win team. And the names you checked included 3 that are, if not cancers, are certainly not team first warm and fuzzy players. Plus you can't even consider giving up Betts for anyone except for Trout so I'm really unsure why you even raised that.
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Post by malynn19 on Oct 19, 2018 19:53:29 GMT -5
From what I have seen (maybe I'm wrong) the Sox have $198 mil dedicated to 2019 to include arb raises....the cap will be $206 mil and $247 mil before serious penalties....so maybe the Sox have around $50 mil to spend if they max out....if the numbers are correct they could easily resign Eovaldi, maybe Cruz for DH, maybe Andrew Miller as closer, and an additional BP piece....and resign Pearce. Pardon me in advance if I am wrong with the numbers Cruz for DH? We have JDM already. We can play without a 2B and have double DH, so there...
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Post by malynn19 on Oct 19, 2018 19:55:47 GMT -5
A year or two ago I was a strong advocate for value signings, and working very hard to stay under the cap. Build a team from the ground up, and don't lose draft picks etc etc etc. I also believe there is a time and place for everything, now may be the time to splurge. I'd like to see the Sox go after a Patrick Corbin, Kuechel, or Kershaw type. I'd love one of the elite starters on the market. I'd also be ok with moving Devers and a few guys for a starter and going out and signing Machado. Or some type of equivalent move. It could be signing Machado and moving Bogaerts, or signing Harper and moving Betts etc etc etc. Although, I really like Betts and would be more inclined to extend him. If I had to pick a risky move to make, I'd take a look at a guy like Matt Harvey. He could probably be had dirt cheap, he might even be a candidate for a one year deal in this market to build his value back up. Let's Sign Harper and move Betts for Kris Bryant, Rizzo and Magic Beans.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 19, 2018 20:03:59 GMT -5
Harper, Harvey & Machado in - Bogaerts, Betts, Eovaldi out? What are you building, the Oakland Raiders of baseball? Let me reiterate and expand my point. I'm definitely not advocating for all those moves being made, I was merely suggesting the level and scope I'd like to see and gave examples. I don't want the sox to go out and get Harper, Harvey, Machado and get rid of Bogaerts, Betts, and Eovaldi. Also, Eovaldi is a FA, so he doesn't really fit in there. In the absence of resigning him, he's already out. Don't know how they'd make this work, but Eovaldi is a guy that I'd definitely consider re-signing. Because of his injury history he's not going to command $100 million. He could get 4 years $75 million or something like that. Eovaldi at his best could be somebody who can pitch toward the top of a rotation. He has that ceiling and could be approaching it in the not-so-distant future. He could be a really good investment. Kimbrel at his best is a HOF talent, but his money might be better off being allocated to Eovaldi, especially considering that the Sox farm system doesn't have a mid to top tier starting pitcher coming up anytime soon, but the bullpen might have Feltman up in the not-so-distant future and Lakins and some of the other guys like Tanner Houck might wind up in the pen.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Oct 19, 2018 20:07:05 GMT -5
If your first response is one of hyperbole and exaggeration then you either have a weak argument or you're purposely being mean and trying to get under ones skin.
Honestly, I regret my comment now, maybe I should just delete it because apparently, you are taking it the wrong way. I would like to see the Sox add elite talent. Spitballing and listing possible ways isn't me saying "I definitively want to do this". Actually, I think a specifically made that clear.
So you can be hyperbolic, or you can add your own suggestion. Your not wrong, this is a strong team. Why tinker with a 108 win team?
Well, because you're constantly losing talent to FA, Age, and injury. We will not be the same team next year as we are losing guys, and the year after we are going to lose a lot more.
How do you replace Sale, Porcello, Bogaerts, JBJ, Pomeranz, Kimbrell, and Moreland? You're literally losing 3/5 of your pitching staff within the next two years and you're going to be left with Price and Eduardo Rodriguez. One will be 34, the other will have never started more than 24 games in a season (to date).
You're also losing your starting SS, 1B, and what is Pedroia going to look like? You got nothing in the pipeline coming up that is close to a lock to replace those guys.
The Sox are going to need to add a starter and a reliever in the offseason. I'd prefer to see an elite talent added. Maybe you're ok with re-signing Evoldi. He looks good now, I'd be rooting for him if we do so, but I'm also a little skeptical about a guy who has had two Tommy Johns.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Oct 19, 2018 20:08:37 GMT -5
A year or two ago I was a strong advocate for value signings, and working very hard to stay under the cap. Build a team from the ground up, and don't lose draft picks etc etc etc. I also believe there is a time and place for everything, now may be the time to splurge. I'd like to see the Sox go after a Patrick Corbin, Kuechel, or Kershaw type. I'd love one of the elite starters on the market. I'd also be ok with moving Devers and a few guys for a starter and going out and signing Machado. Or some type of equivalent move. It could be signing Machado and moving Bogaerts, or signing Harper and moving Betts etc etc etc. Although, I really like Betts and would be more inclined to extend him. If I had to pick a risky move to make, I'd take a look at a guy like Matt Harvey. He could probably be had dirt cheap, he might even be a candidate for a one year deal in this market to build his value back up. Let's Sign Harper and move Betts for Kris Bryant, Rizzo and Magic Beans. Brilliant. I'll get DD on the phone.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 19, 2018 20:20:35 GMT -5
I was trying to point out in a somewhat light hearted manner that I think the idea of breaking up the core of a young, historically successful team is .....not wise. The Sox have,by and large, bought good pitching and if that's what you're worried about losing then rest assured they can and will buy more, either with money or prospects if they fail to develop it, but they aren't going to give up their core players thereby creating more holes unless they feel there is no chance to extend them. If and when that time comes, then they do what they must, but that time isn't now. Sorry if you're offended by my style here, but if you want to even consider moving Betts, Bogaerts and Devers you'd better come up with a lot more talent for them than those you posited (or in Machado case a better human being).
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